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[edit] Quadell and Christina Aguilera

I just read the stuff you wrote on the Christina Aguilera talk page, and this guy Quadell seems like quite a nutbag to me, even after you've given him the sources of the quotes, he still says it's unsourced! I posted a note on that page myself. It seems like all he does all day is go over pages making sure they strictly ahere to wikipedia's policies, and that everything has a source, which he'll never complete, I've never seen a stricter admin. The snare 22:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Adoption

I liked the way you explained it to me on the Talk:Zac Efron The other guys comments were kinda not nearly as clear.. ive read youe info and i joined the LGBT Project because i know what u guys do and its important especially on a place like Wikipedia with lots of bias.. If you would adopt me i would be quite happy... im pretty active but school is about to start. _____.:!Ninja!:._____ 01:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Transgender Core Topics

Hi. I've added transsexualism and drag king to Core topics. The first is important in its own right. The 2nd is necessary if drag queen is there (otherwise we might get accused of discrimination). :) --AliceJMarkham 13:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harvey Milk

I won't be putting up another article for FA status. The Tompkins Park article was taken off my watchlist awhile ago. I didn't really care for the process. There were either irrelevant comments, opposes with no comments, or minutia put forth to deny it that, instead of wasting the keystrokes to tell me to de-wikify something, the write could have just de-wikified it. My Wikipedia edits are getting less and less; I watched User:IvoShandor's RfA fail over one (self-admitted) lapse in his editing (out of 20,000 edits, new articles, brilliant collaboration, etc.) sink his RfA. The gleeful judgmentalism was disheartening. It reminded me of a Senate confirmation for the U.S. Supreme Court. Generally, I find Wikipedia more of a frustration than a joy. I'm working on other projects now, and I think Wikipedia's community has become more suited to teenagers pantomiming adult American politicans than a community of good-natured intellectuals. It's just my opinion. I will probably still contribute photographs, but I've limited those contributions as I'm working on a book. In that regard, I'd be happy to obtain a few photographs of HMHS, which was the subject of a law school research paper I wrote. --David Shankbone 14:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAC FAQ

Hi Dev. I have the first draft of the FAC FAQ thing we talked about. It's ended up being more of a guidelines' essay than a FAQ section, to be honest. It's pretty long, and I've surely left a lot of important things out, but it's a starting point. ;-) I need to rope help from someone at our translation department here to translate it into English (I can't fathom doing it twice in two different languages), and if you guys give it a look and think it's worth something, we can keep tinkering with it and adding new points and sections. :-) So far at es:wiki an admin has liked it very much, but as I said, it's just a first draft and needs more eyes. Oh, before I forget, the images policy is different in both wikis, and I've included only es:wiki's stance on it. That section will have to be modified here. Well, I'll see if I can get someone to translate it, and I'll keep you posted. Cheers! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 15:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I have enlisted a translator already, so hopefully we'll have something relatively soon. As for the google translator, I can more or less figure out the literal translations about the librarians (that's how admins are called at es:wiki) and their notice board, but for the life of me I don't know where the hell the kitchen maid phrase comes from! ;-D Raystorm (¿Sí?) 17:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Environmental Barnstar

		The Environmental Barnstar
		Congrats on working so hard to assess articles. I hope you will continue your work to help promote environmental awareness. OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Dev

Thanks! I didn't even realize it. I hate it when other people don't sign their posts, I guess normally I'm busy with something, and rush through my post. I'm sorry. I'll pay more attention now. Thanx. Bryse 18:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You have mail

-- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dev 920:

sorry if I am doing this wrong, but I don't see anywhere that I can send you a message to. I did an update to the Jake Gyllenhaal page, and surprise surprise, all my work was taken down in one day! (From what I read in the notes, it was done by you I believe.) What is that all about? Who owns this Wiki anyway? the information I put up was correct, and I would like to know if I go to all the time and trouble to correct the changes, will my update be respected? what is going on? That was my second time updating Wiki, the first time was a year ago, to the Brokeback Mountain page, and there too, a whole whack of stuff (not mine, thank goodness!) was deleted. All kinds of good stuff was removed that time (and my one or two small edits as well).

Anyway, I made those corrections to the Jake Gyllenhaal page so that ppl that come here can get find the active fan sites. And why is the Yahoo Group still up and the other two websites taken down? I don't know one Jake fan, and I have been here over a year -- that has ever said a single word about Yahoo Group. ever. Yahoo Group!!??!!!!! NOBODY talks about them. Is it just a coincidence that the two commercial, corporately-owned mediocre miniscule sites for Jake (Yahoo Group and IMDb) get mentioned, and the two private Jake-intensive fan sites with infinite numbers of photos, videos, links, info, etc etc etc etc are treated so shabbily?? Like they don't even exist?!!! Is that what you want for Jake???? And what about IMDb? That's not a fan site. That's a movie database! That's like referring someone to the Yellow Pages!! Why do those two stay up, and the little guys get bumped? This is not right. Can you please reply to me, I guess I will give you my e-mail, no I don't want to put it here, it is too public, I think. I will check back for some kind of comment from you. Can you tell I am freaking out here? Thanks. Marie.

[edit] Article Sucks

Yup, that does sound a lot better lol. I'll write to u for advice the next time I find a poorly written article. In any case, nominating something for afd saying it "sucks" is the fastest way to get someone to pay attention to it and fix it when I'm too lazy to do it myself. ;-)

Well either that or the article gets deleted, which in the case of an article like that is no big loss believe me.

BTW hope ur exams went well! :-)

Qwertyca 17:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Future projects

Were the 'articles I am interested in' general information or suggestions of collaboration? If the latter, I am interested in helping with the Stephen Fry article. What does GA stand for? And how do I graduate? Thanks for all your help!

Preferably Moonsky - I'm still so embarrassed about that typo! And would that serve reciprocally to "Dev"? Moonksy29 22:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I will do that once my exams are finished finally. My main problem is formatting shortcuts and I can't for the life of me find on my keyboard that line thingy that you put between the link and the display link - it drives me mad! Maybe thursday. But not now, I am going to bed! :) Moonksy29 22:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arlene Ackerman prod

Arlene Ackerman has actually previously survived prod[1]. You might try AfD instead. NickelShoe (Talk) 03:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Would you...

use any of these? [2]? I'm pretty sure she's a lesbian, but I can't find anything that says so outright. Grr... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiLove

Jet123 (Talk) 05:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fluffball70

Hi there! I'm still here. Just taking a little time out, but I will be back soon with a vengance. I already have more ideas for Gay and Lesbian articles. I've given up on the FA thing, because I don't understand the rules.

[edit] But I'm a Cheerleader/peer review

Hi, I've tried to clean up the citations a bit on this article, per your suggestion, but I'm struggling a bit. Would be grateful if you could have another look. Thanks --Belovedfreak 14:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no problems. I've archived the peer review since it's now a GA (yay!). Will probably put it in for another peer review soon hoping to get it to FA, after I've tweaked it a bit more. Enjoy your holiday! --Belovedfreak 11:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA. It was successful, and I am now, may God have mercy on us all, an administrator. Look at all the new buttons! I had heard about 'protect,' 'block user,' and 'delete,' but no one told me about 'kill,' 'eject,' and 'purée.' I appreciate the trust the community has in me, and I'll try hard not to delete the main page or block Jimbo. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGB list

Hey, that's ok. I like lists! I do admire your optimism in hoping to reduce it to 0 so soon, it still looks like a very big list to me! I will keep plugging away though, I'm learning about all sorts of people I'd never heard of. --Belovedfreak 11:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

I've sent you E-mail, but you didn't respond to my E-mail. Thanks, Jet123 (talk) 23:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good to have you back

Just felt like saying it. Hope your exams went well - when do you know, August 16th? Cheers, Moreschi ^Talk 13:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HMHS

No problem - I have another one of the entire building (I don't think they occupy much of it) that I need to upload; it might be a nicer photo. --David Shankbone 14:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue VIII - July 1, 2007 Monthly Challenge: Submit an article to our Jumpaclass competition! Languishing unloved, it is a great way to improving that article you always meant to improve but never got round to. Challenge someone else to go head to head and see who can improve their article most! Article News But I'm a Cheerleader is now GA Class! Project News Our Deputy Coordinators have been doing a fabulous job so far. Well done! The portal is now looking very snazzy, well done to Fireplace for all his hard work. The list of LGBT people to be sorted has now beed reduced by 20%. Please help us with it, all of us adding just one person a day would have a dramatic effect! The Core Topics is now largely complete. The original aim of getting some kind of publication out of it is extremely long term - any short term uses we can make of it are welcome on the project talkpage. A suggestion was made this month that we start our own wiki. Although the conclusion was that we felt we were a part of Wikipedia rather than a stand alone organisation, it seems there is an LGBT wiki already, at http://lgbt.wikia.com/wiki/Main_page . Members may be interested in getting involved there. The Collaboration is now getting rather short on suggestions. Article nominations for August through December would be welcome on the talkpage. There is now a list of Missing LGBT Topics. Help is needed to work out which topics can be made redirects or need to be created. Please contribute is you can. An LGBT banner that was created for Wikipedia's internal ads system has now been adapted so it can be placed on blogs and websites. The html is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:LGBT"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Qxz-ad48.gif" height="53" width="445"></a> Please credit Miranda and link to her userpage: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miranda">Miranda</a>. The banner can be seen in action here. If you have a blog or a website, please consider adding the banner, either in a post or as part of your profile. Member News 11 new contributors joined the project in the last month: Xnuala, Samantha Pignez, Jreferee, BGMurph, jmsast, Kukini, Theinsidellama, Heyfoureyes, Iceflow, NickGorton, Lynnllynn, KaiLeo, Amadscientist, and Mad_Cheese_Eater. Please make them feel welcome  ! However, this is a bit low for a project of our standing, so please consider doing a little recruiting if you can. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Dare ya

To a Jumpaclass contest. :-) I know you're on holidays right now, so I'll be a sport and wait until you say you're ready (and have unlimited access to a computer). I'll pick one of those Spanish LGBT stubs (haven't decided exactly which one yet), and we'll see who's able to improve more an article in one week. :-) Doubledare ya! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 10:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, feeling sure of ourselves, are we? ;-) July 29th sounds good, it'll give me plenty of time to finish an article I'm working on anyway. Then I can perhaps teach you a lesson in manners or two. ;-D See ya! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 15:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Articles

List the articles that you consider so bad that Wikipedia shouldn't keep them. It would help out the project! - ~VNinja~

Talk page - ~VNinja~ 17:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Blida airport

I thank you for your expansion. It is worth keeping now. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Dev. You too. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 23:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Dev, when you have some time, could you please try rewording "jumped with his trout rod strapped to his leg"? The reference uses the same wording. Thanks in advance. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 01:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary

I made a mistake when giving a last warning someone for spamming. I didn't enter an edit summary and think that messes a mess. Do you think that is fine?

Regards,

Jet123 (talk) 16:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S.

I sent you E-mail.

[edit] A star for you

"I guess a more relevant question is not 'Why does Wikipedia host porn?' but 'Why am I so obsessed with porn I feel the need to "take a stand" against encylopedically written articles on it?'" I guess it just sounds too much like me to not be funny. :) —  $PЯIПGrαgђ  20:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Poppy Z. Brite

Oh, Sorry! I did not notice that there was a separate list. I'll not do that in the future! Thanks for letting me know.  :) Aleta 11:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

I sent you E-mail. Jet123 (talk) 03:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ALA info

Any way you can get ahold of:

• American Library Association Gay and Lesbian Task Force. Famous or Distinguished Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals: A List of Names, July 1992.

?? I found a ref to it on "The Out List". Maybe they have an updated list with refs? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sarcasm

Hi. I would like to know from you whether your comment on Jimbo's talk page was really sarcastic. Bielle said on my talk page that it was. You can see the thread here. A.Z. 01:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brian Sewell

I'm sorry to get the impression that you are annoyed by my questioning whether Brian Sewell is gay. I have now read the c.9,000-word article by Andrew Barrow, 'A full life: nothing if not critical', The Independent on Sunday, 28.ix.2003, which makes a few of references to his suspected homosexuality (forgive me if you find the term objectionable). I can only reiterate that the meagre evidence available had previously seemed to suggest the opposite. I know that other people who saw his Naked Pilgrim and Grand Tour series reached the same conclusion as me.--Oxonian2006 21:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Bradford

I'm up for trying to start it, but not sure if theirs enough interest Wikiproject Yorkshire seems quiet most of the time. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 12:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Will give it a try when I have time @ work right now. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 13:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No it's not

I helped write it in Spanish, and will do the same in English. Hee hee. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 18:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I think mine is pretty borderline, but if you wanna tag it as Start I won't complain. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 14:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Tsk tsk. You're gonna have more days than me to improve the article, just so you know, because I'm leaving for Switzerland the 2nd of August. So quit whining! ;-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 20:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd appreciate that. :-) You can finish before me and I'll use up those extra days I miss later? I think I know now how to set up a temporary irc channel, btw. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 21:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

You sure? I'll be back the 15th, that's a long time. I might get ahold of a computer at some point during my holidays, but I'm not counting too much on it. About the irc channel... it's terribly temporary, as in, if I'm not online it ceases to exist. :-P We have to register it so it becomes official I've been told. I'm thinking, #LGBTproject sounds good for a name? Cheers and welcome back from wherever you went on vacation. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 16:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Good luck! ;-) Let the show begin! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 23:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Just keep sweetening the pot, why don't ya? ;-) Btw, kudos from the Spanish wiki irc channel for your 'statement'! They wanted me to nominate you for RfA just because of it, interested? ;-) Some of them were pretty enraged about that user saying those things without consequences. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 00:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

It is kinda weird that he can say such things so freely and without getting some sort of admin warning. And you know, your last RfA was *ages* ago, you should start thinking about just biting the bullet and going for it again. :-) There's no way those 'Muslim'-related and Tory-project opposes are still relevant, right? But I kinda understand, opposes do hit one kinda hard, no matter how mild... :-P Nonetheless, I think your chances would be pretty good. Btw, you're sooooo gonna lose the jumpaclass contest, sleepyhead! X-D Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna see how I should set up the RfA before you change your mind! :-P Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, Dev, Jet123's nom doesn't really count as your second one, right? I can overwrite it? Raystorm (¿Sí?) 10:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Email. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 11:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:John Waters

You should take a look at your own counterexample, Angelina Jolie - the only picture that is truly non-unique is the one at the Washington D.C. photo op, and I would say that it doesn't belong in the article. The rest of the photos are from different TV and movie appearances. Just providing a counterexample, even if it were valid, doesn't make for a cogent argument anyway.--DLand^TALK 18:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I would. :) My point was that precedent doesn't make it right - see WP:WAX for a similar point in the context of deletion discussion. Either way, I don't care enough about this whole issue to make a big stink about it - or to risk any bad feelings between us editors, for that matter - but I still stand by my position.--DLand^TALK 19:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eva Attling

Hi there,

http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/9902/04/eva.html

Aftonbladet is a popular Swedish tabloid (The Mirror is the closest thing we have here) and this article talks about their marriage and relationship. Do you need it translating? I am off to Sweden in the next couple of days so it might be a week or so before I can get it done. Hope this is ok Intesvensk 00:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pedophilia brigade continue to work their magic on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Positive_friendships_between_men_and_boys_in_literature_and_film
--David Shankbone 00:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments on But I'm a Cheerleader

Ah thanks! I have been looking through a load of FA films and FA nominations, including some of yours, and I must say I'm pretty overwhelmed by the idea of getting an article to FA class. Hopefully I will get there eventually... --Belovedfreak 11:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for Adminship/Dev920 (2nd nom)

Please accept the nomination and answer the questions at the RfA page at your leisure. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC) Still having trouble with Jet123's previous nom.

[edit] Jake's pig source

Jake Gyllenhaal was a featured article, and I'm not sure that one weird, casual comment on his part merits inclusion in the article. But if you're so sure, you could at least format the citation in accordance with the style of the page. Thank you. --Melty girl 19:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you owned the Jake Gyllenhaal article, and no engagement with others' opinions is required of you. I stand corrected. --Melty girl 02:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

You misunderstood me, so I will try again without sarcasm. I made two points to you, first, my opinion that something you added to Jake Gyllenhaal was trivial (therefore potentially against Wiki policy), second that you did not format a citation in accordance with the page's format. Your answer to me -- "I wrote the article, please don't try to tell me how to format its references" -- indicated that you feel that you can take or leave Wikipedia policy as you wish. Hence my sarcastic response above. If you want people to respond to you well, don't take this kind of high and mighty attitude. Your work on the article is commendable, but it's the article itself that's important, not you -- and you are not infallible. It may be a small issue, but you don't have a special right to ignore the citation format, and it's wrong for you to snap at other Wikipedians who bring potential errors to your attention. The article is everyone's, and you should be pleased that someone else cares about preserving its quality. --Melty girl 20:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I already cleaned up the citation (and the quote) yesterday. --Melty girl 22:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi, I've never talked to you before, but I was very surprised to see your RfA (I always assumed you were already an admin). Looking at your previous RfA, it seems you and I have much in common politically (I too am an active Conservative) and I just want to say that I definitely think you should be an admin, and I think the opposes on your current RfA are predominantly petty and poorly-supported. I hope your RfA passes, but if not, I would love to nominate you for a third attempt in a few months' time. Walton^One 20:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't sure if you received this message, as you haven't replied. Walton^One 17:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I know how you feel - in my second RfA I was opposed for referring to one MfD nomination as "ludicrous and pedantic". (Fortunately I still passed.) All of us who participate actively in discussions have made one or two comments from time to time that, taken out of context, could be seen as incivil; sadly, the nature of the RfA process is such that one age-old mistake can bring down otherwise great candidates, and people are likely to pay more attention to one bad diff than to years of productive editing. I've seen this kind of thing happen time and time again. Like I said, I hope you pass, but if not I'll nominate you next time round. Walton^One 14:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maggie Gyllenhaal!!

A random note (after opposing your adminship candidacy- sorry): You have met Maggie Gyllenhaal, and I am insanely jealous. -- Kicking222 01:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Leader of the gay cabal."

ROFLMAO!!! You GO, Dev! Hahaha. BTW, though I don't get to drop in on the LGBT Project as often as I'd like, I think you've done a helluva great job with it, and I'm proud to be a far-off associate of all your hard work. Shoot, I'd vote for you as Life President of the Cabal--or better yet, Queen? Where's the Nom form for that? lol  ;-) --Textorus 07:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

You're right, an election would be quite out of order. It would be much more fitting to follow WP:CONS and simply declare you, in the time-honored phrase, "our undoubted Queen." I'll start working on an Accession Council right now, Maj.  :-D --Textorus 22:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Usurp

Hi Dev920. I'm going to usurp my username to Jet. Jet (talk) 00:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfA

It is disheartening to watch the holier-than-thou clique at RfA ruin yet another good candidate's chance at helping the project because they still live in a world where everything is flowers and candy. Some of the opposes are utterly absurd, as if adminship were the Holy Grail of Wikipedia and somehow one must be perfect to be able to delete articles and wield a mop. They think you're incivil Dev, ha, the things I am thinking about saying (but won't) to the opposers on RfA are incivil, you're just opinionated and prefer not to gloss over that fact for the sake of someone's fragile psyche and self-esteem. I respect this even if people who edit Pokemon articles all day long can't. Your composure and civility during you're RfA prove you more the worthy of said designation. Good luck with everything else and happy editing. IvoShandor 14:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

		The Resilient Barnstar
		I also want to bestow this upon you, considering your RfA, you've earned it. IvoShandor 14:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Aww. Thanks. That's nice of you. I meant what I said here and at your RfA. I had myself a similar experience so don't let it drag you down. You are a valued contributor indeed.  : ) IvoShandor 17:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to add a 'me too' to everything IvoShandor said :) Civility is nice, but not the be all and end all, and I prefer administrators who say what they really think and aren't afraid to tell people when they're being stupid. Kamryn · Talk 22:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Will there be a Dev920 3?Proabivouac 08:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that, Dev, and I hope you reconsider. I didn't mean to turn on you, and hope you don't think I did…it was just so frustrating seeing you do exactly what they were nagging you about. You have a lot of admirers, you know.Proabivouac 08:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Might interest you to know

I've nominated an LGBT character article for FA status, here. Could you leave some input?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I did not get it

Thanks for the message, but I did not understand it. What is an FLC? Haiduc 00:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfA was unsuccessful

I have closed your RfA. I am afraid there was no consensus to promote you. Please address the concerns, and feel free to reapply in the future. Good luck. --Deskana (banana) 17:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry it didn't work out, Dev. But do hang in there and apply again! You've worked tremendously hard and done lots of good wikithings; you'd be a fine admin.--Textorus 17:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I understand completely.--Textorus 17:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry your RFA failed. Politics rule 18:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear it. :( — $PЯINGεrαgђ 21:06, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I know this is the last thing you want to hear right now, but they do say third time's the charm... I don't doubt for a second you'll be an admin someday. Big hugs Raystorm (¿Sí?) 14:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to see they pooed on you again, honeybunch. Talk about casting your pearls before swine. I was away on vacation and just saw how it (didn't) work out. Fuck 'em, Dev. You don't need adminship to confirm to those of us who know you how much you've improved this damn place. With much love from your biggest fan, Jeffpw 20:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Jeff, those people are assholes. IvoShandor 21:33, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference desk

Hi Dev. I got this message from an Wikipedian that I violated some rules at the reference desk. Here the message;

Please don't post polemics disguised as questions, as you did here. The reference desk is not a soapbox. Friday (talk) 18:54, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you think I broke the rules? Jet (talk) 21:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I think your question was OK. A.Z. 22:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/A gallery

Hehehe. I was afraid of that. I can tell you why I did it though: if you set your computer monitor to 800x600 pixels, that's how it displays on my computer and that is even less aesthetically pleasing than the gallery. I sometimes forget that the way I can see these buggers is not the way most people have it displaying on their computer. I did up the screen resolution to 1024x768 (only two choices on my computer!) to take a look at how you all are probably seeing it - that's actually really good the way it is. Sorry 'bout that. Hope the scrolling reflist helped, at least. ZueJay (talk) 00:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article on the color Lavender

I would suggest you ought to get together a group of people to monitor the article I wrote on the color Lavender. Someone who is apparently homophobic keeps deleting the "politics", "romantic love", and "sexuality" subsections of the "lavender in human culture section" (the three subsections about gays). Since I can't monitor the article all the time, I would suggest some of you monitor the "lavender (color)" article every few days to make sure those three sections aren't deleted. Best wishes, Keraunos 06:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last to dos on Austin Nichols

Hello Dev. Note that the Nichols article has been gone over by a couple of people. Some of the refs have been tagged; I think it's because where there are direct quotes, a precise url is needed rather than a general site link. There's also a couple of buried questions regarding what happened in what year. With this stuff done, the FA review can be closed. Best, Marskell 07:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Dev! It was really Marskell who wrapped it all up. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the message

Thanks for the nice message; I am back. I think I need to learn better coping skills on here. --David Shankbone 13:57, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

Hi Dev. You got mail. Jet (talk) 02:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:AN Discussion

Hey I saw your comments on the WP:CVU discussion. I don't think you're an edit warrior at all Dev. People just all have their opinions about these controversial Wikiprojects and the strenuous MFDs some of them have faced. No one is out to sully the name of any user in these discussions. I posted that notice on WP:AN because I was concerned that we were going to have a can of worms being opened very soon, once more and more Wikipedians notice the red links at pages like Wikipedia:Vandalism and Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism. Don't get too hurt by the criticisms people may make toward yourself or others on the goings on of that painful MFD. We all are eventually criticized for any move we make, whether it be here on Wikipedia or real life. Best just to take it openly or ignore it if it seems not at all true.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 23:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Romaine Brooks

Not for a while, anyway. I have limited Wikipedia time right now and a lot of other articles I should be working on. —Celithemis 01:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FLC Closing

In re: your question about closing the discussion on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/A, the 10 days aren't up until 23:00 on the 11th, which leaves another day or so. Great list, BTW. Geraldk 19:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From James Nightshade

Dev: Well, I did my two presentations at Wikimania. The first one on Friday, the panel discussion with four Taiwanese college students, went great. It was a good discussion and the audience was into it. The debate about the value of Wikipedia is going on in some circles of Taiwanese education, between students and teachers, and we made our little mark.

My presentation on Saturday, my "big" paper--"Bright Air, Brilliant Fire: The Mind of Wikipedia" did not go as well. It seems that most of the audience (of maybe 20) was in there to rest on a hot day, and not really to see my presentation. Oh well, you win some, you lose some. If you were interested (few seem to have been), the paper can be found on one of the Wikimania pages: http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Newimages&until=20070729171734

All the best, and talk to you later.

[edit] Mr Cheetah???

??? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

When you get a minute, take a look at W-Z and let me know if you think it's ready for FAC? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It just makes me mad

Or at least frustrated anyway. And in general that's a good way to describe a lot of the folks who consistently oppose from poorly constructed glass houses. That's all. Not that it's that big deal. Good luck in the future. IvoShandor 22:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hail to the Chief

Yes, I watched the gay forum. Though I still support Hillary, I was impressed with both Kucinich and gravel. I might vote for Kucinich in the California primary--people say he's not electable, but if everybody voted for who s/he wanted to win, and not who s/he thought would win, we might have a different President in the White House today.

Don't let the bastards get you down, sweetie. Some of us here love you to pieces, and know what a valuable contribution you make to this Godforsaken place. Jeffpw 06:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I saw the highlights too in CNN. *Shakes head* Who was the guy who said it was a choice??? I loved Melissa there. *Grin* Only two were in favour of gay marriage, shucks. Anyway, I suscribe everything Jeff has said, including his great edit summary, hee hee. ;-) Love, Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC) Remember we have a contest going on when I come back!

[edit] Nichols review

No problem helping with the review. Glad it was kept. It must be annoying knowing a link worked once upon a time only to find it dead. Cheers, Marskell 13:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion?

Jacques Teyssier - notable? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Andrew

Trust me, it isn't a threat, it's a promise. The article thoroughly disgusts me that it managed to get FA status on the quality and comprehensiveness that it is. I saw the page that was when it was voted, and it wasn't any better. Fictional characters do not get write-ups like biographies, which is what this article does. Not only does the IU information outweigh the OOU information 2 to 1, maybe more, but the article doesn't even give information about how the character came to be, and is riddled with original research. I haven't had the time to actually sit down and log everything wrong with the article to do a proper FAR, and I was mentioning it to another editor who took the liberty of tagging the article themselves. But now that I see people actually believe an article should look like this an still be FA status, you can be assured that I will thoroughly read over the article with every criteria of being FA.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Please don't be rude to other editors, as you were to Bignole on his talk page. I realise that you care about this character and that his history is important, but Bignole is right. Other FA fictional characters such as Jabba the Hutt and Padmé Amidala have concise "Appearances" section as opposed to long character histories. The Jack Harkness article, another LGBT television character with about three years of history who is being put up for FA, has also recently conformed to this example and is more accessible to non-fans as a result. You might want to look at my sandbox for the Buffy Summers character. While far from complete, I have managed to condense her history into a relatively brief "Television appearances" section, and she has four more years of far more detailed history than Andrew. The Andrew article looks fine to me with the exception of this section, and the OOU info is impressive for a minor television character. Just try not to get into fights with other editors. :) Paul730 22:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but telling him you hope he will become a better person was a little rude, you have to admit. I know Bignole can be a little blunt sometimes, but seriously, listen to what he had to say. At the end of the day, we're only editing Wikipedia, it's not life or death. The more we help each other, the better the article will be, so let's learn to play together, okay? That goes for you too, Bigs, if you're listening. :P Paul730 22:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew

Andrew Van De Kamp has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

See honey? This is why I rarely edit here anymore. The dicks outweigh the collegial editors 10 to one here. It's not good for one's blood pressure or general frame of mind to contribute within this venomous nest of adders. That said, if you decide to cooperate with the Inquisition, you know you can count on me for support, both practical and moral. One more time: Don't let the bastards get you down. Jeffpw 09:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Look, why don't you actually try to defend the Andrew article if you honestly believe it to be FA? Wouldn't that be better than leaving sulky comments on the FAR and calling other editors "vengeful"? I know you put a lot of effort into the article but you seem to be taking this FAR extremely personal. Why do you feel that the character history is necessary in it's current form? Why do you believe the article to be FA? Please stop going in a huff when someone challenges your work and actually help to make it better. Paul730 17:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't want the article rewritten, I want the plot summary shortened to a reasonable length, that's all. Summarisation is not destruction; if people want to know every detail of Andrew's fictional life they can watch the show. I know you and Bignole have had an argument, but this isn't a vendetta against you. You still haven't answered my question as to why you think it's FA. Why do you think we need such a long plot summary? Paul730 22:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on fighting you anywhere. I was annoyed by your insistance that there wasn't a problem, and my tone was wrong, but all my objections in the FAR are based on the criteria of FA status. Comprehension is the biggest issue, because the article is missing a lot of vital information that should be present, and it utilizes a lot of original research in places. The point of an FAR is not to delist an article from FA status, but to get it up to the current criteria. No one came to discuss the problems with the article, no one took any actions on the article. If you believe in something you have to fight for it, and all you've done (and the one random IP user) is say "this article is just fine" and not explained why it is fine. I've taken the time to review the article and point out issues with it, and you haven't bothered to show the same respect and at least acknowledge the complaints. If you choose not to, that's fine, it's your choice. I'm sorry that it had to come to this, and that we had to be at each other's throats beforehand. You're a very passionate person about the articles you work on, I can see that--I'm the same way myself--and it can be both a gift and a hinderance for community based work.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IRC

Hey Dev, good news. :-) We now have the IRC channel we talked about. More info on that here, but let me know when you'll log in so I can give you OP powers (as the coordinator of the project). :-) I'll be hanging around today at odd times, perhaps we'll meet there (I don't expect much people being today the first day it exist, although there are three people there now haha). I've found the IRC channels wickedly helpful in the past, so I hope this one works out too. Cheers Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Would you...

take a look at Evan Adams? I can't find a source other than the movie mentioned (and I'm not going to try to rent an independent Canadian film!). Tks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Haha, yes!

/me does the big-point-won-in-tennis-match celebration: punch the air double-fisted and noisily shout "Come on!!" Well done, that's superb! Magnificent results! May I ask which institution of higher education (if any) you are planning to grace with your presence? Anyway, a resounding bravo! Cheers, Moreschi ^Talk 09:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advice?

Thank you for agreeing to the adoption! I have (I think) joined the LGBT group and had a go at looking at the list of pages that had been picked up by the bot for having LGBT keywords.

However many of them are not related to LGBT and i was wondering if i should remove them from the list, and if so should i just do that by the standard page edit or do the individual pages need to be tagged/untagged in some way? Pi 13:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peej

Thanks and best of luck! That would obviously be the best way to resolve this and I appreciate you taking the initiative to try to work with them. --ElKevbo 16:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] James Robert Baker

Well, you´re a born leader, honey! You took out the main image from this article last night/ early this morning, and I guess forgot to put it back. Shortly thereafter somebody followed your example, and deleted ALL the images. I have restored it to how it was before the evening´s festivities. Jeffpw 11:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lanny Barby AFD

Your AFD on Lanny Barby is improperly. Do you wish to put her up for deletion? Or did you change your mind partway through? Tabercil 12:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tatamkulu Afrika

Considering Tatamkulu Afrika...

• He doesn't claim to be heterosexual, though he doesn't claim being anything else, either.
• His writing (autobiography?) definitely includes LGBT themes, and even homosexuality.
• We don't seem to have any references from anyone else about his relationships.

I'm kinda inclined to leave him alone and not put him on the LGBT lists - at least until if/when another source claims something. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

With the exception of Nancy Adair (because one of us has *got* to have her book), I've placed Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Category unsourced on all the entries in our "very difficult to source" list. In a week (or two, or three) one of us should go through and review. I think that should do it, don't you? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 07:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jake Gyllenhaal lead edit war

If you care to weigh in, there is a minor edit war going on regarding the appropriateness of mentioning Jake's awards in the lead. 17Drew is being very persistent about removal, but I don't think his arguments support his position. Did this lead make it through the FAC process? --Melty girl 23:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

No, this is what it looked like. 17Drew 23:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

Congratulations on Jake Gyllenhaal being featured on the front page today! I guess it realy is worthwhile when an article get's FA status. Amazing to think that your worlds are being seen on the frontpage by over 300,000 people :S. That's pretty damn amazing actualy, well done! (Pi 15:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Text of WP:HARASS#Posting_of_personal_information

Posting another person's personal information (legal name, home or workplace address, telephone number, email address, or other contact information, regardless of whether or not the information is actually correct) is harassment, unless that editor voluntarily provides or links to such information himself or herself. This is because it places the other person at unjustified and uninvited risk of harm in "the real world" or other media. This applies whether or not the person whose personal information is being revealed is a Wikipedia editor. It also applies in the case of editors who have requested a change in username, but whose old signatures can still be found in archives.

Please don't criticize me simply because I wish to minimize the number of death threats and obscene emails and phone-calls I receive. Shankbone is misrepresenting my position: I have not asked for Michael Moore's website to be delinked permanently. I have simply asked for policy to be enforced evenly, and for on-wiki editors not to use my real name on-wiki. He has also misrepresented the facts in several other regards, but I won't bore you with the details. THF 20:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Your response seems to severely misunderstand my 20:31 comment. I am not talking about off-wiki links. I am talking about on-wiki violations of on-wiki policy by on-wiki users posting my personal information in talk-page comments and saying that it is okay because of the fact that other people know this information already. WP:HARASS is quite clear that the policy "applies in the case of editors who have requested a change in username, but whose old signatures can still be found in archives."THF 20:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Movie

Went and saw Death at a Funeral and laughed a good bit. Maybe it was the film, or, sigh, maybe it was the night... --David Shankbone 04:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Would you consider leaving Hypnosadist a note on his talk page that you mentioned him at WP:AN/I? It would be a nice courtesy, and perhaps would tone down some of the bad blood that is going around.  :-) --Iamunknown 20:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it might be good if you removed the post. Other editors are suggesting he quit the histrionics, and we should wait for a while before another WP:AN/I imbroglio.  ;-) --Iamunknown 20:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding your comment on the AFD of the Ted Frank article

Of everything that was posted pro or con, I thought that your concise comment was the clearest and most-well reasoned. I've watched a number of articles stripped of content, then nominated for deletion because of lack of content, then using that deletion as the primary reasoning for not allowing the article to exist in the future, even when more content is available. I'd hate to see the Frank article go in that direction. Thanks for cutting through the silly agendas! Ossified 20:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. You were brilliant. :) I'm not going to vote though, unless THF votes (unless policy prevents people from voting about their own articles, which I would unserstand). —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. That makes it hard to vote "[vote] per THF." ;) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

…which I do. Which is also why I'm not voting, since why would I vote saying, "I am not voting"? :P —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ted Frank

Hi, I am working on three other projects today (see my contribs), but will get to that ASAP on Monday or Tuesday. Bearian 22:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I added myself. Now as I was saying... Bearian 22:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Dev920, just a note to say I replied to your concern on my talk (I didn't see your note at the top until after I already posted it. :-)). ATren 23:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] obesity litigation

N.B. The wikipedia format {{SSRN|926536}}, which appears as SSRN 926536, and provides a better link (as well as an abstract for a more accurate description of the article). THF 01:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikified

I wikified the article a bit. I do not see any major problems with it, which is why the nom for AfD is so weird. Anyway, I really want to add Pharmaceutical diversion to the "See also" list, but I'll never get the mop if I do that! ;-) 01:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC) Unsigned previously by Bearian 13:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I think it would be nice to add an image. This one is nice enough, and may be fair use: [3]
Bearian 13:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opinions

I have not been able to find much more from Ghits than what is already in the article. I added a couple of cites. I suspect that more is on his blogs or a database such as the Wall Street Journal's. Bearian 16:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] an/i apology

I apologize if my request was poorly phrased and that I misunderstood you, or I would have clarified sooner. I meant it as a request going forward, not as an accusation of wrongdoing. I was surprised to have my real name popping up on my watchlist on a thread that had nothing to do with me, and my perturbation perhaps came through too strongly in my wording. THF 04:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oops

Hello Dev

I've been busy with work and school, so I have't been visiting wikipedia too often lately. :(

Anyways, yea I think I am ready to be unadopted lol, although I'd like to remain friends (is there something like that on WP?).

I see you're inactive for the moment, so best of luck to you for whatever you're doing, and I'll talk to you when your'e back.

Qwertyca 18:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

• Done! :-D Qwertyca 21:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Larry Craig

Since Jeffpw seems peeved at me, I figured I'd add my additional 2 cents here, assuming you don't mind. Another reason for the tag would be his vocal opinions about the rights (or lack thereof) of the LGBT community. Ben Hocking ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brokeback Mountain

So I went and looked up any review from 2005. Here are three major reviews that pan the use of the phrase "gay cowboy" in BB, calling the use an over-simplification and a disservice to the love story involved: http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/6169704/brokeback_mountain http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051215/REVIEWS/51019006/1023 http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/09/review.brokeback/index.html

The media did not universally refer to the film this way, and in fact, neither of the characters defined themselves in this way. The phrase wasn't in use in the 1960s, the whole issue of the film wasn't what to call themselves, but how to deal with the relationship they had. No matter what the supposed orientation of the characters was, they were both involved in relationships with women and were struggling with societal norms at the time. That puts the issue into a much more complicated light than simply gay cowboy. This has been discussed at length in the talk section. The phrasing that replaced gay cowboy in the lead of this article was much more descriptive of the plight both of the characters were experiencing. Working in this phrase seems to me to be much more a political agenda than it is an interest in representing the core story of the film. What I wrote is more balanced and descriptive and has met from no other opposition in this other than in your reversion. Wildhartlivie 14:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I did not say that no media used that term, however I pointed you to an article which only used that phrase in the context of demonstrating how the media trivialized the story. You asserted that the media, as a whole, used it to describe the film. You don't be silly, the point in that article is that the film isn't about the issue of sexual orientation as much as it as about a love story, period. Again, this appears to be more of a political issue than an interest in portraying the film for what it is. In comment to the poster in the section below this, what was used in the 1960s is quite relevant, since the film depicts the culture of that time, not in 2005. Wildhartlivie 15:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Gay cowboy"

I had a Jake Gyllenhaal edit war that I recently lost on the "gay cowboy" issue -- did you get a chance to check out the talk page yet? Very frustrating. Sadly, it resulted in what you just (rightly) changed. And this new commenter: "The term 'gay' wasn't even used in the 1960s" -- this was a 2005 film! Hello?! --Melty girl 14:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem, of course, with the "scare quotes because someone wrote it" approach is that it explicitly prohibited by WP's MoS. See Wikipedia:Words to avoid for more information on writing according to WP standards. Please leave off sticking in some bad characterization because it "sounds cute" or whatever the rationale du jour is for poor writing. LotLE×talk 07:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Essjay controversy FAC

Well, having been one of the (far too many) editors who worked to develop a stable, more or less NPOV version of this article, I have to say I'm a bit flattered. On the other hand, I have to wonder what you see in the article that makes you feel it's one of the "best of the best." You've got a lot more experience in article development than do I, so I'd appreciate your insights. Thanks. Risker 19:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments, Questions, Notes

• How's "B" coming along? Almost ready for FLC?
• More women's pics for "T"?
• Let me know when the newsletter is ready and I'll send it out.
• I've been trying to catch you on IRC, but we haven't been on at the same time. I'm about to head out for a minute - will you be around in 1/2 an hour? I'll check in on the LGBT channel.
• I haven't read his article, but is Giorgio Armani's sexuality really disputed? It says so on the list.

TTYL -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you on now? Cuz I don't see you there... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] That Lotus guy

In my mind, he seems to have overshot the 3rr, after I warned him he was at his limit. Why don't you have a look at the edit he made, my warning, and his reply to see what action, if any, you want to make. Jeffpw 19:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAC and Essjay

FYI - I know you've been working on getting the Essjay article up to FA status. I archived it from the FAC early during my archiving/promoting tonight because I feel the current nomination has basically no chance of getting a consensus to promote. You've gotten lots of feedback about the article from which to make improvements. I don't normally leave these kinds of message, but this was an exceptional case and I didn't want you to feel discouraged Raul654 07:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 18:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Will you mentor me?

Hello, I am a Gay activist member of Queer Nation and believe in outing. I am a social activist too who had a friend murdered by a CIA backed death squad in Latin America. I have had some problems here on Wiki for my beliefs and because English is not my first langauge, and other things. I have been called homophobic for believing in outing Larry Craig, Matt Drudge, Matt Sanchez, Merv Griffin and others and was in trouble just a few days ago for using the word Queer! Will you be my mentor? Thanks. •smedleyΔbutler• 22:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not to be used as a soapbox for outing people. Please read WP:SOAP and WP:BLP. Thanks. Pablo Talk | Contributions 18:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter?

Should I send the newsletter out? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue IX - September 1, 2007 Message from Coordinator: It's been almost two months since the last newsletter came out, so there are a fair few people who haven't really been kept up with our project. I'd like to welcome all those who have joined and those who have returned, and strongly reccommend that you use the talkpage for any queries or problems you have. Happy editing! Article News The ongoing effort to create a comprehensive list of LGB people has begun to bear fruit - /A AND the /W-Z lists have been featured! Congratulations to Dev920 and SatyrTN who nominated them respectively. Please consider pitching in the the remaining lists to help us get them finished before the end of the year. Project News WP:LGBT now has an IRC channel! It is #LGBTProject on Freenode. Users without IRC or Xchat can use the java app at java.freenode.net to access the channel from their web browser. Hope to see you in there sometime! David Shankbone has taken a LOT of photos. An idea has been mooted to create a page for listing people who are willing to take images in their area on request, please give your thoughts here. Considerable discussion has recently been held on our coverage of same sex marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships. You may be interested to read it. The list of LGBT people to be sorted has now been reduced by over 30%. Please help us with it, all of us adding just one person a day would have a dramatic effect! A gay cabal conspiracy ghost has been created to do with what you will. :) Wooh, massive gay conspiracy... Member News Since the last newsletter was released, we have had more members been labelled inactive than who have signed up - please consider recruiting a few more people if you can, a WikiProject is only as good as its members. :) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Elizabeth Bishop

Can you include on the next LGBT newsletter, Elizabeth Bishop as a collaboration project ?

Elizabeth Bishop was the greatest lesbian poet of the twentieth century.

Thanks,

Tovojolo 15:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jumpaclass

Shall we call it quits? :-P Raystorm (¿Sí?) 22:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smiley

[edit] Situation in Portuguese language Wikipedia

Hi, Dev. I finally started editing the Portuguese language Wikipedia for real. They don't have a lot of articles and, as one would expect, they have almost no LGBT-related articles. That Wikipedia had no article about homosexuality and religion, nor about LGBT and countries, nor about same-sex marriage and civil partnerships by country. I don't know yet about LGBT users. I'm going to create the page for the "Projeto Estudos LGBT". Do you have advice and suggestions? A.Z. 20:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I just created the WikiProject. Here it is: pt:Wikipedia:Projeto Estudos LGBT. A.Z. 20:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you a lot for the advice about bringing new people to the project. There's already another member! I posted a message on his/her talk page, and they joined. A.Z. 00:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

After more people join, what do we do? We use that page as a place to debate improvements for articles about LGBT-related issues, of course, but what are the most important things that the WikiProject LGBT Studies does that would be hard to do without it? A.Z. 00:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Arbcom.jpg)

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[edit] I was hoping they wouldn't notice

But sadly, the Wales/Sanger edit warriors have noticed the inclusion of the photos and will now continue edit warring to keep Sanger's photo in as long as Wales's is there. While I do think that the photos of critics was an inspired idea, it seems these folks look for any opportunity and will go to any length to continue this little battle. And, sorry to say...it was predictable. Risker 00:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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I wrapped the tag in nowikis, that should keep the bot happy. What sort of arbcom case needs screenshots anyway though? --tjstrf talk 09:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Jihad for Love

Hello, Dev! Did you by any chance manage to catch the film on TV (and onto DVD)? If not, that's fine, but if you did and you could send me a copy, that would be unbelievably cool. Take care! — Emiellaiendiay 05:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea about when, where, or how the film's shown. Apparently there's no US distributor though, sigh... There's now an official site for the movie, and it actually provides information! So things are progressing. And thank you! Take care. — Emiellaiendiay 17:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Birmingham meetup

Hi there, I noticed you put your name down as interested in a Birmingham meetup. Just letting you know, the date is now set as Saturday 20th October. We really need input on where, and what time we will meet, so comments would be much appreciated on the page. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 13:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of LGBT rights activists

You removed the recommendation for deletion without any resolution of the issues stated for removal of list. True, definitions for inclusion could be developed, but the article has existed for over a year and half in its present form without criteria IN VIOLATION of WP:list guidelines and for even longer without guidelines under another title. Your removal of the tag without providing any guidelines is completely unproductive.207.69.137.15 23:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cillian Murphy FAC

If you're looking for something interesting to do, you could review Cillian Murphy for FAC. My self-nomination. Thanks, Melty girl 01:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sandi dubowski.jpg

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Dev, just so you don't get confused trying to figure out why this got tagged, the image was in Sandi Simcha DuBowski, but the only fair use rationale on the image description (written by you) was for Trembling Before G-d. My understanding of the NFC policy is that screenshots and the like cannot be used for living persons and only for illustrative purposes on the articles of the media they are from, so I removed it from Sandi Simcha DuBowski (so it won't be listed in the links, and you'd have a hard time tracking this down, hence my note). However, I noticed that it was removed from Trembling too, I'm assuming in response to the FAC discussion, so it's now not used in any articles at all, which is also against WP:NFCC, so unless you feel it would improve Trembling Before G-d, it's probably going to get nuked. Cheers, —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 04:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that's a lot of run-on sentences. Sorry 'bout that, it's late and I'm tired. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 04:39, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You may have forgotten...

...but we once talked about creating a FA guide. :-) Knorpel translated what I did on es:wiki, you can find it here. I haven't checked how good the translation is, but it looks okay. Wikiterms should be rechecked though. If you think this could be helpful in any way, let me know. ;-) Cheers Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter

Here it is. I had fun! Hope you like it. Jeffpw 16:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue X - October 1, 2007 The LGBT studies project has been rather quiet of late. Though we've added over 180 new members in the last year, only a small percentage are active participants. If you haven't visited our project or talk page in a while, please stop by for a look. Also, if you happen to bump into another editor who you feel might enjoy working with us, please extend an invitation. There's lot's do do, and the active members would sincerely appreciate some help. Welcome to the 11 new members that joined us in September: Bu852, JuniorMuruin, Laualoha, JereKrischel, Dybryd, Sexperts, Ctjf83, Allstarecho, Johnandbob, Carlossuarez46, and Carterdriggs! LGBT Project Peer review Our Peer review project is struggling at the present, with only a few people reviewing the articles. While it is certainly possible to submit articles for a general peer review, a review by members of the LGBT community can be of additional value for LGBT specific writing. There are several articles currently up for review on a wide range of topics. At the very least, reading the articles will undoubtedly broaden your intellectual horizons :-) Deletion discussions At the moment, David Le Brocq, Malmö Devilants and Trajectory Hermeneutics are up for deletion review. Please take a look at them and make your voice heard at the deletion review. Articles nominated for deletion also present a challenge for improvement. See what you can do, and watchlist our deletion review page. FA & GA article news Since our last newsletter, Fun Home and GayFest have been promoted to Good Article status. Congratulations to all editors who have worked so hard to improve them! While the T-Z list was promoted to Featured list on September 26, 2007, we have had no articles reach Featured Article status since Homer's Phobia was promoted last March. In fact, one article of our Project was delisted: Andrew Van De Kamp. Please take a look at out listed articles and see if you'd like to try to take one to Featured status (there are almost 8,000 to choose from). Additionally, Conversion therapy has been nominated for Featured status. Please read the article and give feedback at the Feartured Article Candidates page. (See also our FA-class list.) Pederasty article controversy The Pederasty articles continue to be a point of controversy both within and outside of our community. Various editors have suggested that to include them as LGBT Project related somehow taints the project and brings Wikipedia into disrepute. Other editors have stated that the articles, and especially the Pederasty article, are part of the core of LGBT studies. Well meaning editors continue to remove our tags from the articles themselves as well as the talk pages. If you have time, please read the articles and watchlist them to protect them from vandalism and well meaning but counterproductive edits. List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people The list of LGBT people has survived its 4th nomination for deletion. Please watchlist this list to protect it from vandalism and unsourced additions. There are many in Wikipedia who would like to see this Featured status list removed from the project. It is up to us to keep it to such a high caliber that it never is removed. David Shankbone Our project member David Shankbone is now working as a journalist for Wikinews, as well as continuing to improve our project and Wikipedia as a whole with his photographs. A sincere thank you goes out to him for all of his hard work. Wikipedia would not shine nearly as brightly without your contributions, David. Barbara Gittings Happy Halloween, everybody! Be happy and celebrate! The surviving life partner of prominent LGBT rights activist Barbara Gittings recently called one of our editors and, among other things, complimented us on what a great job our project is doing on Wikipedia. Thanks to everyone who contributes to this project, either through their article edits or support for other project members. We really are making an difference here! Member assistance Some of our project members have been having difficulties related to editing on the encyclopedia. If you are feeling frustrated or distressed by your editing experience, please don't keep it to yourself. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, and we are all here to help one another. Drop a line on our talkpage or on another editor's page, and other members of the LGBT project will happily give you the support you want and need. Lastly, Halloween is just around the corner. More than most holidays, Halloween is a holiday embraced by and tailor made to our community (though God only knows why we are invisible in the Halloween article here. Perhaps somebody would like to rectify that editing oversight). Have fun, everybody, and remember to both trick and treat! To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the compliment, honey! I felt just like Julie from The Love Boat while I was writing it (though without that dreadful cocaine addiction)! And I would be honored to write it each month. I have lots of ideas for coming issues. I feel I have finally found my niche. Jeffpw 18:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Disrupt people's lives"

What do you mean "disrupt people's lives"? That is a very loaded charge, and it is completely unfounded. Please explain, in detail, which edits you consider to be "personally disruptive"; otherwise, please retract it. ATren 14:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It was my message, and you complained about it, so I assumed you wanted it removed. Keep it as long as you like. And while we're talking about it, what exactly did you consider to be "personally disruptive"? Something you saw from me must have triggered such a charge, and I would appreciate knowing what it was so that I may correct it. ATren 17:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Westlife tour

I was wondering if you were planning on attending their concert in London or elsewhere in the U.K., and if you wanted to meet up if you were. I would love to see them, and doubt they will ever make it to Holland. Let me know. I bet it will sell out fast. Jeffpw 17:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

OMG!! Really?!? (I mean, I know you said it was just a possibility, but allow me to get excited). I have been listening to songs from their new album, and it's one of their best. I would be thrilled if I could go see them live, but didn't want to go alone. Let's hope we can work this out. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO thrilling! Westlife!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Jeffpw 18:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Total Eclipse of the Heart, Mandy, Seasons In The Sun, The Rose, Uptown Girl!!!! This is going to be a night to remember! If only we could get WJB, Raystorm and Satyr to go, too!!!!! Woo Hoo! Life just became worth living again. And meeting up with you. This is going to be so fantastic. Jeffpw 21:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] =)

Sorry - just had to throw in the "I" thing =) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Came back to edit Wikipedia

Hi. I decided to come back to edit Wikipedia. Jet (talk) 03:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jose

ON the BLP noticeboard, that guy who tagged the article is now questioning if the refs are reliable. I think they are and have said so. One site has a code of ethics from the zMexican Journalism Commission, and another is both land and net based. The rest are a site from a TV show, a site from a TV network, and his fan site. How much more reliable do we need to get? Jeffpw 19:42, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For all you do to improve this encyclopedia, and especially for your spirited defense at WP:BLP/N about the José Galisteo article. You are a fine Wikipedian and a dear friend. Jeffpw 21:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jose Galisteo

I understand your desire here, but you have to read the policy. If he does not currently publicly self-identify as gay, then we cannot say that he is. It's black and white - there's speculation, rumor and such, but if he has refused to make public statements, we can't categorize him. FCYTravis 23:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin

Should I be an administrator for Wikipedia? Jet (talk) 01:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hey

I deleted the message because I thought I was not coming back to edit Wikipedia. Sorry for deleting the message. Jet (talk) 03:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] advance peek

User:Jeffpw/sandbox Jeffpw 21:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XI - November 1, 2007 Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time — get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!! [edit] Alice and her harasser Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes <bright smiles all around>. [edit] Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project. [edit] Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand? [edit] Beat writer arouses Irish guy And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all. [edit] Love those Texas Longhorns Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....). [edit] Point and Counterpoint Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now. [edit] Drudgery on offer Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" redux The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational. [edit] This month's Wiki stars Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!! [edit] And the Oscar goes to... Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle. [edit] Fresh faces to brighten our pages Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy. [edit] Leather and lace On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome! [edit] Late breaking news A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!). [edit] Champagne dreams and caviar kisses Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon. Kisses, Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 12:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Reese and Jake

Seems they are becoming a couple. Jeffpw 16:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this source reliable enough to your mind? I figure it's easier to add the Reese stuff in a well-written, well-sourced way ourselves, rather than deal with the inevitable poorly-written, unsourced additions that will keep repeatedly popping up. --Melty girl 17:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I think People is a very reliable source. It is a daughter of Time-Life news, and is fact checked. Yes, it's shallow and fluffy, but that doesn't make it wrong. I don't know what Dev thinks of it, but since your question came after my linking of it, I thought I would give my opinion. Jeffpw 17:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --Melty girl 17:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Dev

You are familiar with the ArbCom, and I now have Cool Hand Luke and ATren trolling my edits, reverting them, when they meeting guidelines. I've raised the issue on the Admin board. Can you make a statement? --David Shankbone 16:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured List of the Day Experiment

There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jihad for Love

Wow, that's so cool! And you met Sandi Simcha DuBowski! Any chance you took a free-use photo for Wikipedia? Haha. So the movie is showing in SF? That's great. Do you know any details about it, like when or where? The website only lists screenings outside the US. — Emiellaiendiay 00:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You wrote...

"...the average quality of our admins (sadly lowered this past week)..." What happened? Did I miss something? - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 08:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hiii

I see you are part of the adopt-a-user thing...
I was wondering if you'd like to 'adopt' me... i think i would have an interest in perhaps some similar types of articles as you ;)

thanks, Annabella...
xx Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Somewhat-Belated RfA Thanks :-)

[edit] i dont have two adopters anyway...

I only have one... as like I had to do for the second one that replied, I could not accept, as i had already been given one. At the time when I wrote the message to you, I had no adopters... I am sorry... but I did message you with a genuine interest for adoption. Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Signpost article

Hey Dev920. I'm writing the WikiProject report this week on WikiProject LGBT studies, which I noticed you coordinate. So, to spice up the story this week, I will give you a short interview :)

1. Q: What is the best way for users unfamiliar with LGBT topics or new to Wikipedia to get involved in the project?

   A:

2. Q: What are some of the departments in the project?

   A:

3. Q: Are there any ongoing discussions pertaining to project issues or articles in the project's scope?

   A:

4. Q: What are some of the features of the project's website?

   A:

5. Q: What are some of the project's most recent achievements?

   A:

Thanks so much for your time! ( arky ) 19:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advice...

Hi Dev, I hope you are well. Since you adopted me i've been trying to get more involved in the whole 'wikipedia thing'. I went to the meetup in Birmingham which was interesting, have started getting the signpost etc but i wondered if you could advise me on a couple of niggling queeries.

• I've been looking into making a bot as i have a few ideas of automated functions i'd like done. I have (i think) good enough programming experience to make the thing but despite reading the articles on bots i am still a little confused about the rules.

Before i request bot approval am i allowed to either use the software to make edits simply to test the code or idealy let it loose to think for itself, provided it was confined to my own userspace? I created an account for the bot to use too.

• I also want to make a determined effort towards editing a connected bunch of articles and getting them up to a decent standard and as there is no current wikiproject with any oversight over these articles would you recommend i make one? I wouldn't expect a huge ammount of interest as the idea i have is nowhere near as mainstream as something like LGBT but i thought that there must be other interested people out there and it would be a good place to collaborate, share info etc.

Thank you in advance Pi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pi (talk • contribs) 20:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for getting back to me, i asked SatyrTN about the bots, and as for the userproject, the one i was thinking of is Cambridge. There unfortunately isn't currently one, nor an East Anglia. :(

I just had a quick poke around your Bradford and it looks quite interesting, good luck with that. I'll keep the idea in mind i think for now because i'm a bit busy with uni interviews and stuff so don't quite have the time right now to make such a thing anyway.

Cya around Pi

[edit] :-)~

I wanna goooo, but I won't have my exams' timetable for January until next week! I fervently hope some tickets are available then. I wanna go I wanna go I wanna go! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 20:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Here comes Santa Claus, Here comes Santa Claus, right down Santa Claus lane! Ho, ho ho (but not that kind of ho!) and Merry Christmas, everybody! Yes, that's right. It's time for the Christmas edition of the LGBT Love Boat newsletter. This homo Love Boat is cruising into Christmas and counting down the days to a brand new year! It doesn't matter if you're Christian or belong to some other, more obscure sect. Jesus loves you one and all, so let's curl up around the fire, sing some carols, drink some egg nog, and have a gay old time. But before we do, perhaps your chipper cruise director Miss Julie should spread the gender bendin' news from everyone's favorite project.... Table of Contents Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! It's Britney, Bitch! Game show for nerds Jón Þór Birgisson Everybody loves a sequel Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Santa needs elves Urgent Christmas appeal Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Ambrosia Christmas came early You! Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken! It's Britney, Bitch! Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think". Game show for nerds Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. 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[edit] FAC TALK

I would appreciate it if you responded to my response to your comment. In Wikipedia talk:Featured Article Candidates (if i'm not mistaken) I see you are part of the kindness campaign, me too!
I am very impressed by the news article you were featured in. Congratulations!
--Keerllston 01:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] James I of England mention in the Signpost article

Hi Dev. I noticed the James article mentioned in the Signpost article (which was a nice interview, by the way). I was recently pointed to an old discussion in the archives which I thought you might find interesting: Talk:James I of England/Archive 2#For information's sake.... Lots of quotes from very reputable sources there. Where do you stand on what sources should be used in cases like this? Especially if they differ in the degree of their assessments? Mainstream history books? Biographies of James? Histories written by scholars of LGBT history? What weight should be given to each point-of-view? Carcharoth (talk) 04:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A list

So someone has added "Gay", "Lesbian", and "-" to every entry on the 'A' list. I don't know how I feel about it - thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Holidays

[edit] Lance Bass

Yeah, I think it needs a bit of copyediting before FA... I'll probably nominate it sometime in the future, after a little work is done, and I find some copyeditors. Thanks for your comment! --MgCupcake (talk) 02:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy holidays!

[edit] Jumpaclass - January

Gosh, how cool! I get to pick a subject for January that rivals Sexuality in Startrek and LGBT Racism!! There are so many subject that need work, but I guess I need to pick something that can be worked on globally and by all LGBT people. Let me ponder and I'll suggest something by the 1st Jan. Fluffball70 (talk) 13:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've thought about it and discussed it with my partner and we feel that one area that is a bit ratty that the whole LGBT world could join in with is LGBT symbols. It needs to be split/merged with LGBT slogans and symbols and is missing a great many symbols such as the 'pink union jack' that is popular here in the UK, the 'bear pride flag', the 'bisexual pride' flag etc, etc. I am sure there are more around the world. If you like this, where shall I post this suggestion? Fluffball70 (talk) 22:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Amnesty image

Do you still need it? I was thinking of starting with this one: [4] Oh - and Happy Gnu Deer! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

What do you think about an outline of these wings? I like the way they curve toward the viewer :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup

Hi there, I noticed you expressed interest in the Birmingham meetup last October. Just letting you know, another UK meetup is in planning stages, here. We need input on where and when we will meet so comments would be much appreciated. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 16:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Julie

She's under the weather - or under something anyway - from what I hear. I think Gopher and Isaac are going to have to step in and put something together. Feel like giving me a hand? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jumpaclass

Hi Dev, I was just wondering whether jumpaclass is actually going to operate in 2008. As a newbie, I'm happy to participate, but there is little point in my posting on jumpaclass as I make edits if it's inactive. Jay*Jay (talk) 13:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Ms Julie is .. unavailable .. this month, so Isaac and Gopher have stepped in to put this newsletter thing together. We may not be as funny as you're used to, but if you'd like a free drink, come see me at the bar. That might help. Maybe. And no, there aren't any flashing lights or fancy pictures this month - I'm still recovering from a whopping hangover. Julie's recovering too, but that's a story I'll let her tell. Two New Featured Articles (and...) Emma Goldman was promoted to Featured status on 2007 December 27. If you don't know Ms. Goldman, she was a Lithuanian anarchist. Aren't many of those around, really, so having one of our very own is special. She'll be dancing the Cha-Cha on the Promenade deck later tonight. Ann Bannon was promoted to Featured status on 2007 December 3. Faithful readers may remember Moni moaning that we didn't mention this promotion in the last newsletter. Happy now? Ludwig Wittgenstein seems to have been dropped from the vaunted roles - he was downgraded to "B class" on 29 December 2007. What a way to end the year! Let's see - we started December with 35 FAs. We added two and dropped one. So somewhere there's a missing FA - has anyone seen one lying around? Jumpaclass Contest winner The winner of 2007's Jumpaclass competition is Fluffball70 (talk · contribs)! Congratulations, Fluffball! Despite strongly being urged to select Love Boat as the next WikiProject Collaboration, she has chosen LGBT Symbols as her prize: please contribute to its improvement - or enter the competition for this year! Ze Portal The marathon efforts of Dev920 against her astonishing abilities of procrastination continued this month, and she managed to update the Portal's main articles. Whether she will finally beat her procrastination pixies in submission and update the biographies remains to be seen, but Jeffpw has leapt to the rescue and taken it upon himself to do all our lovely news. Friends, lend us your goodwill and your eyeballs, and mosey on over to see all Jeff's hard work. Also, back in October 2007, Allstarecho and Benjiboi worked diligently on the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" and "WP:LGBT Random Picture" sections of the portal. They added many new quotes and pictures but, and yes here's the cat's meow friends... you can now use these on your own user pages! To add the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Quotes}} And to add the "WP:LGBT Random Picture" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} If you'd like to see it in action, check out Allstarecho's userpage for both in action and Benjiboi's talk page for the Quotes in action! The long, slow race toward FP status continues... Bisexual Awareness Month Folks in Utah are celebrating Bisexual Awareness Month. For our own wikicelebration, Alison suggests we try to bring Bisexuality at least up to good article status. Working on the Utah article would be encouraged, but do it stealthily - they don't like us to be *too* open. A cunning plan In a move sure to bring her fame and fortune at last, Dev920 (talk · contribs) has proposed that an FA buddying system be set up, to help nudge frightened tikes who also happen to write killer ass articles over that initial first FAC hurdle. Anyone interested in shepherding duties, or anyone interested in being made to lie beside still waters (handcuffs are optional), do drop Dev an RSVP so she can start battering those darned pixies... New members Let's give a big Love Boat welcome to all our new members: Mike1981, RAShippy, CoppBob, Altairisfar, Dureo, LessThanClippers William P. Coleman, Grrrlriot, Queer Scout, Kentucky1333, Melty girl, Phenominus, Avazina, Dfeuer, and Lycanthropiclion. We're glad to have you all aboard! New task-force? Zigzig20s has mentioned a desire to work on .. desire. Specifically literature by and about LGBT desire. To facilitate "LGBT Literature" taskforce, there will be shuffleboard and lesbian fiction on the foredeck later in the afternoon. Signup if you're interested. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Your Cruise Director know.

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[edit] Mind taking a look at a LGBT article for me?

Would you mind taking a look at Ivan Bussens article for me? Looks like a copy and paste job, but since you are the coordinator for this topic you may have a vested interest in expanding the article and making it done right. Just my two cents.. Thanks. Lithron (talk) 01:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greta Keller

I understand your reasoning for removing Greta Keller from the LGBT category and project as there is not proper substantiation in the article. I haven't worked on the article for quite some time and am not as active here as I was at one time for a number of reasons. She does belong in the category and I'll try to make some additions in the near future. Her husband's article for one mentions their marriage as a "beard" and there are a few online refs for that. I knew her and she had relationships with both men and women. Doc ♬ talk 03:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

Hello, Would you like to adopt me? I am already adopted, but I would like some more adopters. I want to learn everything about wikipedia. I have learned a lot so far, but I'm always willing to learn more. --Grrrlriot (talk) 02:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Time to graduate from Adopt-a-User

I have been adopted by you for 10 months. I now know Wikipedia rules, steps to be an admin, etc. Please accept me to graduate. Thank you. Jet (talk) 07:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Just thought you might be interested in this: Portal:Feminism/Feminism_Task_Force --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] manky meetup

Hi Dev, I look forward to meeting you at the manchester meet. Sorry I didn't check the page for a few days to reply to your question :) I just said that you should read WP:ANI for any current gossip, also you could look at those who've said they're defo coming's userpages to get a feel for each other and possible shared opinions or stuff to chat about. :) Merkinsmum 18:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XIV - February 29, 2008 Article Milestones The leprechaun is a male faerie in Irish mythology. We have one new Featured Article this month - Emily Dickinson was recently promoted thanks to the hard work of Yllosubmarine! We also have 4 new GA-class articles: Ben Daniels, J. Michael Bailey, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, and Walt Whitman were promoted this month, but Dante's Cove was demoted. Wikinews Things are happening over at Wikipedia sister project Wikinews. First, Nicholas Turnbull became the first openly-Trans reporter to gain (resounding) accreditation by the Wikinews community. Second, project member David Shankbone is going to Rio de Janeiro at the invitation of the Rio Convention & Visitor's Bureau. Wikinews:Portal:LGBT Lambda Book Report Project member Moni3 has been working on the article for Barbara Gittings and noted that the Lambda Literary Foundation used the lead paragraph from Wikipedia, skillfully and lovingly written by Moni3, verbatim in the Lambda Literary Pioneers calendar. Moni3 contacted the Lambda Literary Foundation to let them know, and to ask if we could get a little write-up in the next Lambda Book Report. There is a preliminary text you can find here. Feel free to add to it. It should be no longer than 1,000 words, and it needs to be submitted by March 15. New members Let's give a big LGBT welcome to all our new members: Dylankidwell (talk · contribs), Jay*Jay (talk · contribs), Ftmichael (talk · contribs), AgnosticPreachersKid (talk · contribs), Phyesalis (talk · contribs) , Tullerk (talk · contribs), Ravenwhitehorse (talk · contribs), TigressofIndia (talk · contribs), Yohan euan o4 (talk · contribs), Masculinity (talk · contribs), Renegade Replicant (talk · contribs), and Youngwebprogrammer (talk · contribs)! User categories Place yourself in a user category so you can collaborate with other LGBT/Allied Wikipedians! Mostly for allies of LGBT people; To place yourself in Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues, just add [[Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add this userbox by placing {{User:UBX/LGBTinterest}} on your userpage. Mostly for people who identify as either Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender; To place yourself in Category:LGBT Wikipedians, just add [[Category:LGBT Wikipedians|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add a userbox found at User:Xaosflux/UBX/Sexuality#Sexual orientation. St. Patrick's Day In honor of Saint Patrick's Day, why don't you consider improving one of these articles: Homosexuality and Roman Catholicism, LGBT rights in the Republic of Ireland, Campaign for Homosexual Law Reform, Recognition of gay unions in Ireland, List of gay and lesbian resource centres in Ireland, or any of the articles in our to-do list? Women's History Month March is Women's History Month in the United States. Help us celebrate by improving History of lesbianism or Lesbian American history! You could also find references for women in our giant list of LGB people to be sorted. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let us know.

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[edit] Message from adoptee

Hi, can you remind me how to do footnotes refs, mine don't seem to be working! Thanks! Moonksy29 Wed 12/3 2200.

Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources/Example edits for different methods --W2bh (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Larry King photo

I would like to ask you for you opinion on this, I've been searching everywhere in our policies but I couldn't find an answer. Maybe you know what to do, or know someone who knows? Thank you --W2bh (talk) 02:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Comments, suggestions, general advice

I am currently working on Alan G. Rogers. Since you say you're primarily interested in biographies, I'd welcome your input, advice, etc. regarding the article.--Robapalooza (talk) 02:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

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There is currently a backlog of 57 users at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user. Please consider offering adoption to one or more of these users. Don't forget to change their {{adoptme}} template to {{adoptoffer|Dev920}}. Thank you for your continued participating in Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User. xenocidic (talk) 19:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVI (April 2008)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XXVI (April 2008)
Project news Tag & Assess 2008 launched on 24 April and will run until 4 July. We have around 60,000 articles to check, so all assistance is very welcome. As usual, there are barnstars galore and service awards for contributing editors. The project scope has been amended to include specific reference to historically accurate video games. Songs and music with long military associations are also now included. The Contest department has completed its thirteenth month of competition, which saw 27 entries. The top scorer this month is Ed! with 37 points, followed by Cam with 22 points. Woody, Howard C. Berkowitz, Redmarkviolinist, Nousernamesleft and Outdawg also fielded entries. Blnguyen remains the overall leader, with 188 points in total. You are encouraged to submit articles you're working on as entries. The coordinators have "adopted" task forces to act as prime point of contact. A list of which coordinators have adopted which task forces is here.	Articles of note New featured articles: 1960 South Vietnamese coup attempt 1962 South Vietnamese Independence Palace bombing Lazare Ponticelli Maximian Peterloo Massacre The Third of May 1808 USS Orizaba (ID-1536) USS Siboney (ID-2999) New featured lists: List of Irish Victoria Cross recipients Order of battle at the Battle of Tory Island New featured portals: Portal:American Civil War New A-Class articles: 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team (United States) Battle of Bonchurch Battle of Tassafaronga Early thermal weapons HMS Cardiff (D108) USS Comfort (AH-3) USS Orizaba (ID-1536)
Current proposals and discussions An interesting proposal to set up teams to deal with specific tasks, like taking the Top Ten most frequently read military history articles to featured articles status is here. The coordinators are exploring ways of developing and improving our fifty or so task forces. More information is here. All editors are invited to contribute to a discussion about the naming of military operations in an endeavor to reach consensus.
Awards and honors Congratulations and kudos to the four top-performing editors in BCAD: CAM (1st); Legotech (2nd); Harland1 (3rd) and Smsarmad (4th). They helped assess 4303 B-class Milhist articles. Well done! To belatedly commemorate the first anniversary of the Contest department, the overall annual winner, Blnguyen, has been awarded the Chevrons and the March monthly winner, Woody, and runner-up, Dreamafter, each receive the Writer's Barnstar.
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[edit] Exodus International

The Exodus International article currently claims that Exodus provides support; editors have objected to my changing it to say "targets" or "claims to provide support". It's POV to say that a controversial organization actually does provide support when it may well actually harm them. I'm not sure the right way to go. More people involved with the LGBT project should be w atching this page i think. Tb (talk) 01:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] From an old colleague

Dev: Remember me? I am Jim Nightshade, who you "adopted" maybe back in 2006. Last year I gave a presentation at Wikimania in Taipei, which I informed you about. Since then I dropped out--because Wikimania somehow cancelled my password, and I was unable to retrieve it, and unable to log on. I kept editing articles, quite a few (many in drama, including Beckett, Mamet, Pinter, etc.), but always anonymous after that. I did not have the time to start a new user page.

Then suddenly today, I logged on again, and here I am. I see you say you are scaling back your activity on W. I see why, and I never had the time to do a lot. It's addictive, I know, but it don't pay very well.

Hope you have been well, otherwise. Ciao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim Nightshade (talk • contribs) 01:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVII (May 2008)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XXVII (May 2008)
Project news Editors needed for Tag & Assess 2008. To coincide with the summer holidays, it will be gearing up from 15 June. As usual, barnstars galore! Partner peer reviews: for a thirty-day trial period, we'll be running joint peer reviews with Wikiproject Video Games. The idea is simple: we help with their reviews; they help with ours. This way both wikiprojects benefit from new reviewers and new ideas! We're notable: A new book, Simon Fowler's 2007 Guide to Military History on the Internet (UK:Pen & Sword, ISBN 9781844156061) rates Wikipedia as "the best general resource" for military research (p. 7). Of the military pages, he says: "The results are largely accurate and generally free of bias" (he also suggests people join the wikiproject). When rating WP as the No. 1 military site (p. 201) he says "Wikipedia is often criticised for its inaccuracy and bias, but in my experience the military history articles are spot on." A-Class reviews: the usual four-day review period may now be extended by up to three days (ie seven days in total) in the following circumstances: the article has no opposes but has insufficient support for promotion or the article's nominator requests more time to resolve matters arising during the review. The full text is here. The special projects department has opened. It will focus on specific ad-hoc high-priority tasks and implement them with informal, short-term groups of editors. The Contest department has completed its fourteenth month of competition, which saw 16 entries. The top scorer this month is Cam with 21 points, followed by Redmarkviolinist with 11 points. Woody, Dreamafter, Kyriakos, Nousernamesleft and Outdawg also fielded entries. Blnguyen remains the overall leader, with 188 points in total. You are encouraged to submit articles you're working on as entries.	Articles of note New featured articles: Battle of Tassafaronga Funerary Monument to Sir John Hawkwood HMS Cardiff (D108) Krulak Mendenhall mission Le Quang Tung Operation Passage to Freedom Paul Nobuo Tatsuguchi New featured lists: List of Texan survivors of the Battle of the Alamo List of Victoria Cross recipients of the Royal Navy List of Victoria Cross recipients of the Indian Army New A-Class articles: Battle of the Kalka River Battle of Verrières Ridge Brian Horrocks Byzantine navy Erich Hartmann Montana class battleship
Current proposals and discussions A discussion has been opened into the structuring of top level operational categories, starting with Category:World War II. All interested editors are invited to help establish a consensus.
Awards and honors Congratulations go to Hlj, who has been awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of his many consistently fine and valuable contributions to military history articles within the American Civil War task force.
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[edit] Consensus on reasoning for LGBT Project Articles

A new discussion you may be interested in:Consensus on reasoning for LGBT Project Articles. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Gah! I don't know what I'm doing!

Hey there. I'm trying to revitalize WP:LGBT by restarting the newsletter. I don't mind writing it, but I don't know how it's sent out without SatyrBot. You can read it here. What do you think, send it out in a week or so? I dunno... --Moni3 (talk) 18:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XV: June 11, 2008 Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around. [edit] WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled. [edit] Is Pride POV? We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring? [edit] Harvey Milk and Jim Jones For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer... [edit] Queer Studies is offensive! The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors. [edit] Lambda Literary Awards What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put [[ ]] around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th [5]. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website [6]. [edit] Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate. [edit] This month's Wiki stars This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!) [edit] Compulsive hoarding of templates Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page. [edit] The Violet Quill and magazines Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help. A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation. [edit] Mom's nagging for Pride Month It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver. [edit] Fresh faces to brighten our pages Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy , Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult, Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003. It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia. In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon." We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.

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