User:Computer

• This bot is operated by User:White Cat
• See also: Commons:User:Computer, meta:User:Computer
• Unfree image removal is based on this list

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The result of the discussion was Denied.

[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot (Formerly WOPR)

Operator: White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic, supervised

Programming Language(s): AWB

Function Summary: I'd like to use the bot to fix redirects created my my username move (I want pages to link directly to my userpage rather than through a redirect. Aside from that I may make similar fixes.

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): The bot will not run unattended.

Edit rate requested: 100 edits per hour

I am unsure what to suggest this is my guess, I do not expect to 'hit' any near the number

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): N

Function Details: AWB automated functions

[edit] Discussion

I hereby request a bot flag. -- Cat ^chi? 21:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

You need to be specific about bot tasks, and file another request for approval for each task. For fixing redirects to your old userpage only, you are Approved for trial. —METS501 (talk) 22:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. For future referance (to me) how specific do these tasks are supposed to be? -- Cat ^chi? 22:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Basically exactly what you're going to do, not just "other stuff", if you know what I mean. See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/StatisticianBot for an example of a good, specific request. —METS501 (talk) 02:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Would it be possible to give the bot a bot flag so it doesn't bother RC teams? Is there a request page for that? -- Cat ^chi? 20:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

This is the request system. There was some concern on AN/I about the edit rate being too high for such a non-crucial task. Would you be willing to lower the edit rate to 1/min? I can't see how the RC people could complain about that, you could almost do it manually at that rate. CMummert · talk 02:13, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure. I stopped the bot after concerns were posted. -- Cat ^chi? 08:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I have reran the bot at a 1 edit/min rate after your comment here for a while. Since Ned Scott is revert waring over the bots edits, I have restopped the bot. -- Cat ^chi? 12:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Additional concerns are also being raised that such a mass edit for a sig fix of this nature should not be allowed. See User talk:White Cat#User sig substitutions. -- Ned Scott 10:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe "server load" claim is ridiculous. I can make those edits manually just as well. I also find this users post here self contradictory since he is revert waring over the bots edits waisting server resources. -- Cat ^chi? 10:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, server load isn't a major concern of mine, it's just the part where you somehow get special permission to do something that you shouldn't be allowed to do. If everyone did this we would have a very big problem. It needs to stop, server load or not. -- Ned Scott 10:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

In other words you have no reason to complain but are complaining for the sake of complaining. People do not change usernames daily nor do they typically have a fraction of the number of edits I have. This isn't the median for this, you are welcome to propose a policy banning signature updates. I am merely using a bot to do a task I can manually do to save myself time. -- Cat ^chi? 10:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Ned, while I agree that these edits don't add content, I don't see why they should be forbidden provided that they are made at a manual-like pace (say 1/min). As Cat says, they could be made by hand, and that would be alright. The figure quoted on ANI was only 1500 edits, which would complete in about a day at 1/min. CMummert · talk 11:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, the trial is more than over, trials usually mean 50 edits, so don't run it again until you're approved. Also, this bot violates policy, and while users get some leeway with policy, bots do not. Do not bypass any redirects using this bot until it is approved, and you need to explain why you need to do this. You told me on IRC that you just didn't want people to see the redirect, and if that's your only reason, I'm going to deny this bot. --ST47Talk 13:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Some reasons why I requested a sig change:

• I prefer to keep a consistent sig. When you look at an archive you can easily identify me this way. A lot of people would not know who "Cool Cat" supposed to be in about say a year. It helps people better identify me. I feel this is the responsible thing to do.
• In the past I had fancier sigs including sigs which displays all the barnstars I earned and stuff. I had been meaning to solve that issue for quite some time. This is the perfect opportunity for it.
• Is this entire thing critical? No. But it was never a requirement that bots are to be used for critical tasks only. I am letting a bot take care of a task I am allowed to handle manually to save myself time.

I cannot provide a more detailed reason as there cannot be such a reason. I am a perfectionist and I am merely updating sigs. Many users has done this in the past and I feel it is the responsible thing to do. It isn't against policy to update signatures and the bot is merely making edits I would otherwise do by hand.

I would welcome an elaboration on how the bot violates policy, I am not certain whats not working there.

So far the bot has done exactly what it was approved for, updating my sigs. Its first few edits had a few problems but I have manually corrected those.

Next thing I have in my plate is Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Template_renaming or Wikipedia:Bot_requests#xxxx_in_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Ireland. I want to rename the transclusions/categories under former name after approval. This is similar to the process I use with my signature.

-- Cat ^chi? 15:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Denied. per redirect policy. Bots are expected to follow policy. Unless the link displays incorrectly...there is no need to edit the link. --ST47Talk 16:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reopened

Operator: White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic and supervised

Programming Language(s): pywikipediabot

Function Summary: The bot will update signatures of mine. It will NOT alter the contents of the pages in any other way.

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): One time run, once all the sigs are fixed there wont be anything left to fix.

Edit rate requested: 100 edits per hour (tho it will unlikely get close to this)

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Y

Function Details:

The bot will update all of my sigs to the current one. Bot will use the code at http://botwiki.sno.cc/wiki/Python:SignChanger.py

[edit] Discussion

Although my bot request for the task was declined earlier, later discussion on the matter and Wikipedian's such as User:Thatcher131, User:Mackensen, User:Fred Bauder commented on that thread. I would like to use a bot to preform the task so as not to "alert" peoples watchlists unnecessarily. -- Cat ^chi? 12:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I am opposed to this task. Policy states that bots must be useful, and this task is not useful. Further, it causes unnecessary load, and there is no community consensus for this task. Further, bots must obey all policies and guidelines, and WP:RDR says "Do not change links to redirects that are not broken". --ST47Talk·Desk 12:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Changing your signature in archives was a major point of contention before. I don't think is a good idea at all. --Deskana (apples) 12:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Denied. There is no consensus for this bot to run, following the extended discussion on the issue. Furthermore, BRFA will not be used to try and create such consensus. Please do not request a bot be used for controversial tasks until it has consensus support (in which case it becomes generally-uncontroversial). Daniel 12:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Bot not approved. This is fairly useless. Voice-of-All 12:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was Speedily Approved.

[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot (Formerly WOPR)

Operator: White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Supervised & automatic. I will review the former category and new one (as well as the change in RC feed) but probably wont review every individual diff.

Programming Language(s): AWB

Function Summary: Rectaegorization (based on discussions on medians such as WP:CFD)

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Assisted but automated runs. I will manually input the task (recategorization) and monitor. Each task is to be run only once.

Edit rate requested: 500 edits per hour (really depends on the task)

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): N

Function Details: Find and replace task. Usage of "Category:X"'s will be replaced with "Category:Y"'s based on consensus

[edit] Discussion

Um, I'm not entirely clear on what you intend to monitor the RC feed for and, also if you don't mind, could you please explain what you mean by 'based on discussions on medians such as WP:CFD'? -- Seed 2.0 18:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Say a CFD discussion concludes as a "rename category", the bot would do just that. Or if the discussion concluded with a "delete", the bot would remove the categories. I can use the same function for TFDs - basically any deletion/discussion that may require such a service. The bot would run based on community consensus only.

I will be monitoring the RC feed to check on the bot. I wouldn't be using the bot to monitor RC feed. I monitor the RC feed to check for possible problems. If for instance the bot removes 200 bytes, thats proof of a breakdown (happens rarely with AWB I believe. I should see the same byte difference during the run of all bot edits. Its just me being extra careful.

-- Cat ^chi? 19:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to clarify, since category deletion wasn't mentioned previously. I assume, since you don't have the sysop bit, that if consensus is to "delete" that your bot will only be removing the category from all pages in the article namespace? What other namespaces may be modified? — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

All namespaces could be modified, most likely, main, template, and user. --ST47Talk 18:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The bot can handle any namespace except mediawiki namespace. -- Cat ^chi? 18:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

WhiteCat, I presume this bot is to be tasked with WP:CFD/W work. You might want to check and see if the bot is even needed, there are quite a few that do this task. In addition user cats tend to be a bit hard for bots to actually do, as some of them are hidden behind noinclude tags in included templates. This makes the category show up on every page that the template is on (say a userbox), but not place the userbox itself into the category, which effectively makes finding the userbox difficult. I have written a tool that does a bit of recursion to identify the userbox, unfortunatly its windows only, so if this is an important task, please let me know and I'll write up a diddy that can be run on linux. I have run this style bot task before. —— Eagle101^{Need help?} 00:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh I use windows. I use AWB's find and replace function to re-categorize. It works fine IMHO. I can handle it :) -- Cat ^chi? 00:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I hope you don't mind or take this the wrong way but since that's a bit unconventional (I assume you write your own regexps to handle pipes, etc.), I just have to ask: what experience do you have working with categories? --S ^up? 00:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I used AWB to recategorise speedy entries under this account. I do not use regexps (not a whole lot of experience with it) but instead the normal button for "find and replace". Replacing [[Category:Foooo1 with [[Category:Foooo2 is rather trivial for me. It works fine. I monitor every edit the bot makes just in case something doesn't work right. -- Cat ^chi? 00:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

What about links to the category, e.g. Category:WikiProject banners? I'd suggest adding a :? in there. — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

There are those specific exceptions where the code would need to be adjusted. This will be done when necesary :) -- Cat ^chi? 17:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Why not just add a :? instead? A link to a category can be easy for you to miss. — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 17:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

What links to a category and the pages categorised are threated differently in AWB. Thats why :) -- Cat ^chi? 17:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Speedily Approved. This is already done by a bunch of bots and uses AWB which makes almost no mistakes. —METS501 (talk) 05:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot (Formerly WOPR)

Operator: White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic and supervised

Programming Language(s): AWB

Function Summary: A find & replace task updating images based on consensus.

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Multiple supervised runs with variable intervals

Edit rate requested: Keep current rate of the bot.

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Y

Function Details: Update images such as removing duplicates, or changing jpgs -> svgs in coordination with my commons duties (as a commons admin). Much like how Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/WOPR (02) handles categories.

[edit] Discussion

\n:Similar to your other task. ----ST47Talk 12:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Speedily Approved. --ST47Talk 12:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot

Operator: White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic, supervised

Programming Language(s): pywikipedia

Function Summary: Fixing double redirects

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Irregular bursts

Edit rate requested: X edits per Same as before

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Y

Function Details: The bot will fix double redirects by bypassing the redirect chain as below

• Page1 (links to) Page2 (redirects to) Page3 (redirects to) Page4 <- how it is now
• Page1 (links to) Page2 (redirects to) Page4 <- how it will be

[edit] Discussion

Speedily Approved. —METS501 (talk) 11:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot

Operator: White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic, supervised

Programming Language(s): AWB, pywikipediabot

Function Summary: Removal of fair use images from non-article namespaces

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): manual bursts, no pattern

Edit rate requested: 100 edits per hour (tho it is unlikely the bot will hit this number)

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Y

Function Details: Removal of images is built into AWB. I intend to remove fair use images used in non-article name spaces such as in signatures and etc.

[edit] Discussion

I hereby request this additional task. -- Cat ^chi? 17:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. There's an existing bot that does this, however more is good. Where are you getting the list? --ST47Talk·Desk 17:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I work on them as I find them :) Auto bots are only effective in a limited manner. I would work on a list if I get on :) -- Cat ^chi? 17:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I can recursively check a category full of fair use images... -- Cat ^chi? 17:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

If it's in the user space, will you notify that user? Will you replace or remove the image? ~ Wikihermit 17:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I would remove the image with a notification in the edit summary linking to the policy page. I can warn the user manually. -- Cat ^chi? 17:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Approved for trial (50 edits). --ST47Talk·Desk 17:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Approved. Looks good. --ST47Talk·Desk 17:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot

Operator: White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic, supervised

Programming Language(s): pywikipediabot

Function Summary: Interwiki linkage

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): manual bursts, no pattern

Edit rate requested: 100 edits per hour (tho it is unlikely the bot will hit this number)

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Y

Function Details: Using interwiki.py

[edit] Discussion

I hereby request this additional task. -- Cat ^chi? 10:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Approved for trial (50 edits). Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 10:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Approved. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 22:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot

Operator: User:White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic, supervised

Programming Language(s): python or AWB (whichever is better depending on situation)

Function Summary: Mass revert of edits of a specific user

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Manual run when necesary

Edit rate requested: less than 10 edits per minute

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Y

Function Details: This function of the bot would be used to mass revert disruptive mass edits such as left overs of vandalism only accounts or vandal bot strikes which are typically kept at bay. It can also be used for non-vandalism related edits and would be exclusively based on consensus. I hope to never need to use this function but want to be able to should the need arise. -- Cat ^chi? 14:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Just to make this clear, this bot's function would be to revert all edits from a specified editor? If that is the case, then I would insist on seeing broad consensus that this is desirable before approval.

A secondary (technical) concern is how the bot will react to edits that have since been modified. Will it revert edits that can be undone even after later edits? How will it deal with those it cannot undo? — Coren ^(talk) 15:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you revert with AWB? Ρх₥α 23:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

If this bot is approved, you are expressly forbidden from using it to make or revert changes made to your signature. You are also strongly advised to seek confirmation that the bot needs to run from an admin before executing it, and it is suggested that you only run without some measure of discussion where blatant vandalism has occurred. If this bot is approved and used on non-blatant vandalism, it does contribute to the operator's revert limit, and if it is used improperly, it will be blocked. (Approval is up to the rest of you.) --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹnoɟʇs 23:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

This request is far from uncontroversial, and I would require broad community consensus before we proceed. I have asked the community at the village pump to comment so that such a consensus can be reached. — Coren ^(talk) 00:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd say this task is easiest accomplished with Javascript and a +sysop flag. Such edits can also automatically be marked as bot so they don't flood recent changes (see Help:Administration#Rollback). MER-C 03:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm particularly worried about a bot performing this activity, especially when dealing with proxy's or school based IP address where not all edits are vandalism based and multiple users are involved. This could result in it doing more damage than it fixes. Although I can see where the idea has come from, as frequently I will follow my bot around the wiki, and seeing the other contributions people have made. Usually 9 times out of 10 if they have vandalised something chances are high they have done the same somewhere else. Perhaps instead of creating a bot to do mass reverting in the chance that all the edits were destructive, create a bot that purposely follows or shadows the other Anti-Vandalism bots around, and looks at the top edits of people warned for vandalism to see if they have made unwanted edits to other articles? Just an idea Lloydpick 01:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• At this time, it appears fairly obvious that there is no consensus (here or on WP:VP that this proposed but would be useful and harmless, and several editors have pointed out that existing tools are able to perform this function without the assistance of a bot, something I agree with.

  In addition, the bot as suggested would cause significant WP:RC noise as it operates unless it had a sysop bit, which would require an administrator as operator. Denied.

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[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot

Operator: User:White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Manually Assisted, supervised

Programming Language(s): python or AWB (whichever is better depending on situation AWB seems more sane)

Function Summary: Remove illegal links such as youtube links that are in violation of copyrights.

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Manual run when necesary

Edit rate requested: less than 10 edits per minute

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Y

Function Details: Bot will be used to help remove external links to youtube or any other illegal site (in violation of copyrights). This is something I can do regularly with AWB but I'd prefer using the bot account. In some cases some illegal links maybe inserted in bulk quantities which bot removal would be handy. -- Cat ^chi? 13:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Erm...ALL youtube links? --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹnoɟʇs(st47) 13:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

No just the illegal ones such as linking to TV episodes on TV episode articles. (Assuming the TV episode is not released with a free license). And not just youtube links but other garbage such as spam. I want to have some leniency in the scope to deal with garbage. -- Cat ^chi? 13:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

And how will the bot determine which are good and which are bad? --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹnoɟʇs(st47) 13:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Many studios now upload to Youtube and other sites, how can you be sure the copyright is being violated? BJ^Talk 13:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I will be looking at it. I would review each link individually. And bulk remove the same link if it has been inserted multiple times. Determining copyright of the yutube video isn't that hard. I'll be using methods people who had been using so far. -- Cat ^chi? 13:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot

Operator: User:White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Manually Assisted, supervised

Programming Language(s): python or AWB (whichever is better depending on situation AWB seems more sane)

Function Summary: Replace/remove templates

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Manual run when necesary

Edit rate requested: less than 10 edits per minute

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Y

Function Details: Bot will be used to help remove/replace templates on request -- Cat ^chi? 20:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Speedily Approved. - Very similar task to Image replacement and such. User is experienced. —Reedy 20:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Computer

tasks • contribs • count • sul • logs • page moves • block user • block log • flag log • flag bot

Operator: User:White Cat

Automatic or Manually Assisted: Manually Assisted

Programming Language(s): python or awb

Function Summary: Bot will move nomination pages of featured pictures to the filename.

Edit period(s) (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): one time run

Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Y

Function Details: Bot will move nomination pages of featured pictures to the filename.

• If the candidacy succeeded to the file name of the victorious candidate

  Ex:

  Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/View of Saturn from Cassini Orbiter

  would be moved to

  Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Image:Saturn from Cassini Orbiter (2004-10-06).jpg

• If the candidacy failed to the file name of the first candidate

  Ex:

  Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Red Roses

  would be moved to

  Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Image:Red Roses.jpg

[edit] Discussion

This is per the absence of opposition to a now stale discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates#Page name of the nominations. -- Cat ^chi? 14:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

generators.py and wikipedia.py should be able to handle this. -- Cat ^chi? 14:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you know about how many pages need to be moved? Mr.Z-man 22:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I do not believe there are too many... Several thousand maybe. -- Cat ^chi? 22:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't really like the new names (ugly, too long) but I can see their utility if you want to link to them in a systematic way. Would just creating redirects at the new names suffice for your purposes? -- Eugène van der Pijll (talk) 16:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Move the page, create a redirect both achieve the same task. Moving them has an additional benefit - that way the new naming convention is better advertised. -- Cat ^chi? 22:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Approved for trial. 20 moves. Mr.Z-man 00:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)