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Contents 1 Main Page 2 Spoilers 3 Why was this a featured article? 4 Suggestion 5 Switch sections 6 KeyBlade Wars 7 Xbox 360 8 Since This Seems Like the General Area 9 Reception section 10 Kingdom Hearts Ultimania 11 "Kingdom Hearts 3" 12 New info about Birth by Sleep and 358/2 Days

[edit] Main Page

First off, Holy Crap that is awesome! Second, I don't think this really needs to be said but we'll of course need to keep an eye on the article for vandalism and other non-constructive edits from now until it comes off the main page. And third, Holy Crap that is awesome! Great job getting here everyone. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 18:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC))

Congratulations on the selection. To many more main pages in the future. — Blue。 18:54, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I just want to remind you all that if there is vandalism on this page when it is featured here on the main page, please revert it as soon as posible and put warnings on the vandals' talk pages. Any comments or objections? Greg Jones II 19:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

That and we probably don't need a reminder, but remember the WP:3RR. Of course it doesn't apply to vandalism, but there may be some people trying to edit the article with an honest intention that may inadvertently do more harm than good. No sense getting blocked when it looks like we'll have a good number of people watching over the article. Just leave a polite but to the point comment in the edit summary to discourage it. Also, are the some templates available for us to easily/quickly leave on talk pages for vandalism and other non-constructive edits? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 21:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC))

And expect people to complain that this article is a fluff piece designed to advertise a game that has been released over a year ago. 128.227.61.49 05:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It appears to be protected [1] so I guess there won't be much vandalism to worry about! Ripberger 00:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Sweet, load off my mind. Thanks for the heads up. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

Uh, its only move protection. IPs and new users can still edit the page, they just can't move it. 128.227.127.75 00:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

And a load back on my mind. :-p Thanks for the head ups. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 00:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

If there are vandals, be sure not to revert more than three times to avoid WP:3RR. Greg Jones II 01:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Eh, sorry about the protection thing. I didn't look closely at the edit summary of the protecting administrator. If its blatant vandalism, you can go over 3RR [2]. Ripberger 01:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Congrats, chaps! --Jim Raynor 06:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers

I put a spoiler tag on the Story section, but someone removed it. That section reveals the entire plot of the games.

66.68.102.164 02:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers have been removed on most of the articles on Wikipedia for a couple reasons.

1. Wikipedia is not censored
2. The section titles "plot" and "story" imply that information about the plot and story will be listed.

This has been a trend on Wikipedia for a while now and is starting to be enforced as a loose guideline. That's why your edit was reverted. Hope there are no hard feelings, just trying to follow the rules. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 02:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

"reveals the entire plot of the games"? As amazing as it may seem, that is the point of the section. ' 02:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why was this a featured article?

It's not really helpful to anyone. - BlackSlivers 03:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Article status is not determined by helpfulness or popularity but by quality, verifiability, and reliability. If you have a problem with it, you should take it up with the Featured Content administrator. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 03:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

It's a featured article, because video game fans (and apparently, especially Sqaure fans) are passionate enough about what they like to make their articles the best. If you want to see more "helpful" articles hit the main page, go work on those to bring them up to par. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 10:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Kind of a pity that Square Enix no longer seems to feel the same way about their own work, huh? 71.56.155.117 23:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I have a (minor) complaint about this being a featured article. In the past 6 months or so there have been 3 featured articles about video games from Square. While the content may be very good, surely this is over the top? I have Wikipedia as my home page so that I learn about new things every day - seeing (yet another) article about a Square video game just made me sigh. AidanRogers 11:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Take it up with the featured content administrator. I'm not sure what people hope to accomplish by telling us this. Gee, it's as if other editors are unhappy with what we're doing and want us to stop. If you don't want it on the main page take it up with the FC admin. "Today's featured article" is picked well in advance and they can be found with a little searching. If you don't like what is going to be on the main page, express your views on the proper FC page (not the article talk page) before it goes up. This talk page is to talk about how to improve the article. Not to vent frustration with Wikipedia's actions and policies. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 13:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

Appreciate you letting me know where I should take this up. Given that I'm not a regular contributor to Wikipedia, I was hoping to find out this sort of information - this seemed like a good place to start. Having said that, your somewhat unfriendly attitude does put me off trying. AidanRogers 13:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect, your unfriendly comment about seeing the article that several editors have work on to get to FA on the main page makes me feel the same way. But that's not going to stop me from trying to improve more articles about things I'm interested in and I see no reason why my comment should stop you from expressing your views to the appropriate person. I hope you do and I apologize if my comments have put you off. The link you may be looking for is Wikipedia:Today's featured article (Guyinblack25 ^talk 13:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

How come the Kingdom Hearts feature on the Main Page has no picture or other image, unlike nearly every other article that has been featured there? Is is because of copyright ot trademark concerns? Surely there are some images of the game that fall under GNU that can be used? Even if only the KH logo? Oh, and you now TWO tags telling people that this page is not a forum for fannish discussion. I think one is more than enough. The page has enough tags as it is, it's starting to look cluttered. -Wilfredo Martinez 14:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe this is the rationale for it. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

So... in effect, it's OK to show trademarked images in wikipedia articles, but not on the front page- not even ones provided by the companies themselves for publicity? Isn't that like saying that stealing is OK as long as you don't get caught? No, I'm not complaining, after all, copyright protection is the one rule I feel has to be followed in Wikipedia (since it's a real law; I take the rest only as guidelines- at least until the day unregistered people who don't even bother to read the rules are no longer allowed to edit articles) but it does seem strange. -Wilfredo Martinez 00:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Not quite. Basically, it WOULD be legal to show a pic on the front page. Fair use laws allow it. But WP is, in general, more strict than said law. The basic rule is that "ONLY article space allows fair use". The main page isn't article space, so it's not allowed there. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 00:16, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, technically the Main Page is in the article namespace because it doesn't have any prefix. :) Axem Titanium 00:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

So, as I expected, it's just the result of more obsession over the fine points of rules (which are often contradicted by other rules). As I said, I don't really mind. But I hope some day Wikipedia is ruled by common sense and not rules-lawyers. -Wilfredo Martinez 16:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, consider that the main page is the most visible page on the site -- therefore, it SHOULD be help to the highest standard of what is considered the way to do things on WP. I for one think it's unappealing to not have a pic, but I can see the reasoning for it. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 16:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not gonna spend time getting caught in a reversion war with anyone, but I do stand by my statement in the Edit Summary(which for some reason, was cut off at the comma), that it's more accurate to say the series includes most of Disney's "regular" voice actors, as the "original" VA's are all long dead. But like I said, I'm not gonna agonize over it.DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 15:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, when you put it that way it makes more sense. It looks like we're trying to convey the same information, but your wording is better. Thanks for bringing this to the talk page, very few people do. Sorry your edit summary got cut off and sorry for the misunderstanding. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

All featured articles always seem to be based on how many references or citations there are. I've seen loads of better written pages here, that have a B-rating because of lack of references and stuff. This, I think, defeats the entire purpose of Wikipedia. But hey, that's just me. --Kaizer13 18:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, Kaizer, see, here's the thing: refs are important because they show the information came from somewhere reliable, that the information is correct and factual. It doesn't matter if a page is written well, if it has no refs, any bit of information in it can be contested at any time. That's why refs and citations are an important factor in deciding Featured articles and such. Do you understand? Well, this is getting rather forumy, so let's please wrap this up.HadesDragon 18:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

I suggest that the Kingdom Hearts (series) page have an Animanga box. It has enough stuff to. Is there anyone who opposes this idea, and if so, why? Kikiluvscheese 16:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, what is an Animanga box, exactly?HadesDragon 16:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe they're talking about the anime and manga infobox used by the Anime and manga project. See here for details. I'm actually opposed to it some. It sounds like a good idea, but I don't think it's really needed.

1. The majority of the relevant information that would be found in the infobox is already located in the manga section of the List of Kingdom Hearts media. And with several redirects for the KH manga, people should find the info with ease.
2. Even though the manga are based on the video game series, they are still broken up into separate manga series. I don't think an infobox on the series article would be the best place for a infobox of three related short manga series. Maybe on the separate game articles, though.

This does bring up an interesting idea though. Maybe the cvg infobox should be tweaked to include manga spin offs. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 21:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Switch sections

Something that I thought I'd run by everyone. On the Final Fantasy article, the "Reception" and the "Merchandise" sections were switched to help the flow of the article. What does everyone think about doing the same here? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC))

You mean, the Reception section would be at the bottom, instead of Merchandise? Sure, I'm all for it.HadesDragon 21:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KeyBlade Wars

Has anyone thought of Kingdom Hearts: KeyBlade Wars ? It's also rumored to be an upcomming game in the Kingdom Hearts series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.67.140 (talk) 02:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The whole "rumor" thing is the problem.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. You see, Wikipedia isn't a place to report things like that. We're sticking with what's confirmed.User talk:HadesDragon).HadesDragon 22:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xbox 360

I heard that there may be a new Kingdom Hearts coming to the 360. Is it true, and should we add it the page? 72.75.250.160 (talk) 23:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Currently there are only three titles that have been announced for the Nintendo DS, Sony PSP, and mobile phones. While the director has expressed interest in continuing the story beyond these new titles, nothing has been confirmed or announced from Square Enix or Disney. Sorry, but it is probably either a rumor or wishful thinking at this point. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 23:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Since This Seems Like the General Area

While I don't approve of the merging of the articles, I've noticed that both the universe article and the characters articles both have sections on the areas. Someone should destroy one of those.--Mullon (talk) 23:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

What are you referring to? The character page is divided into sections by world. Axem Titanium (talk) 00:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reception section

Just thought I'd throw out a suggestion and see what everyone thought about it. What about adding in table of aggregate scores similar to Crazy Taxi (series)#Reception? Any thoughts? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 23:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC))

I was bold and added it in. If it looks a bit off or doesn't seem appropriate, we can remove it. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 18:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Kingdom Hearts Ultimania

That's a great site for Kingdom Hearts.. don't you think that should be added to the External links? --Neilmodi ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I guess so.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 20:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but fansites get really divisive and it's usually best to just leave them all off and stick to official links. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

As Axem stated, fan sites are not suitable external links per WP:VG/EL. Sorry, it is a good site, but it is not well suited for an encyclopedic article. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 18:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] "Kingdom Hearts 3"

That secret ending movie on the second game, people say it's the third, however, as far as I've been able to confirm, it's not. It's something different, yet the same. "10 years before Kingdom Hearts" I've heard... I thought about trying to find more (and better) information here, but it's not included in this article. Any help? --DameGreyWulf (talk) 03:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

You are correct, a KH3 has not been announced. The trailer is for Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 03:42, 26 January 2008 (UTC))

Thank you! --DameGreyWulf (talk) 04:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New info about Birth by Sleep and 358/2 Days

Some French magazines apparently published new information about these two games. Not sure if there's anything useful but here are the links: Scans - Translations FightingStreet (talk) 15:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The information is useful, but unfortunately without the proper citation there isn't much we can do with it. :-( That's kind of one of the down side to Wikipedia, we need proper citations to properly verify content. If you find anything else, please let us know. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC))