Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kingdom Hearts (series)

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 02:18, 9 September 2007.

[edit] Kingdom Hearts (series)

Myself and other editors have been cleaning up and expanding this article to get it up to FA. It is the main article of the Kingdom Hearts FT and we would appreciate any comments or suggestions that could improve the article. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 20:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC))

Co-nom/Support - I was the main pusher for all of the KH game articles. Greg Jones II 20:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment – I feel that the lead could be expanded. By itself, it's supposed to summarise the whole article. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 09:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The lead has been expanded a bit more and additional content will be added later. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

• Comments It's a shame the peer review didn't receive any other comments.
  • The lead should summarize the entire article, and I'm not entirely sure it does so at the moment; I think it could be expanded. I still think the lead is unclear in describing the games as a blend of Disney and Final Fantasy characters. Why not just say so, instead of using the word "universes"? "Kingdom Hearts is a crossover of universes from The Walt Disney Company set in a universe made specifically for the series" is still confusing, IMO.
    • That sentence has been reworded, does it make more sense now? We'll try to get to your other comments shortly. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC))
  • The prose could definitely polished: repetitive phrases/words in the same sentence ("Various added elements foreshadowed later plot elements in the series.") or across sentences; simple grammar errors ("The three eventually discover that a man named Ansem, is the true antagonist and is attempting to open the door Kingdom Hearts.", "different Disney themed worlds", "Despite the being numbered 'two'", "According to Nomura, it will be a whole new series and stated,"); and sudden changes in tense ("Naminé puts Sora, Donald, and Goofy to sleep for a year. While the three were ascending to the top floor of the castle...", "Reception towards the first playable mission pack is mixed. The game was criticized...") mar the article. These are just examples; there are many more throughout the text. Please make sure to go through and copyedit/proofread the entire article.
    • This needs to be fixed up ASAP. Greg Jones II 19:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Some of these have been taken care of. More of it plans to be addressed shortly. Some of it I don't believe is an issue, like "different Disney themed worlds", the word "themed" in "Disney themed" is being used as an adverb, not really as a past tense verb. Though rereading it I'm not sure if a hyphen should be between Disney and themed or not. Also, the I didn't find the use of "various added elements" too much in the article, could you elaborate more on that point? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC))
      • I believe the verb tense issue has been taken care of, let us know if there are any we missed. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC))
  • Finally, some sentences throughout the article are missing context. For example, in Development: "The idea for Kingdom Hearts came about when Shinji Hashimoto met with a Disney executive in an elevator; Square and Disney had previously worked in the same building in Japan." OK, so? First of all, when was this? Second, what did they talk about? Reading the very next sentence, one gets a sense that something was skipped. What happened during development? How did the game go from genesis to release? Sentences should flow into one another, but the first paragraph of Development is composed of sentences with no logical order. A good article reads like story (but isn't written like a story — there's a difference), but much of this article reads like a bunch of facts grouped together.
    • The first couple of sentences in the "Development" section have been rewritten/reorganized. Any other areas that look to be missing context? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC))
  • Per MOS, full dates should be linked to allow date preferences to work. 69.202.63.165 14:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
    • The full dates in the article are now linked. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC))
• Comment This line bothers me: Kingdom Hearts II and Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ have unlockable teasers that hint at the potential plot of a future installment in the series. This statment doesn't seem to be supported by the ref (which is about the characters shown) and seems like original observation. hbdragon88 19:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
  • That portion has been removed. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

• Conditional Support please comment or fix the following:

• Many of the web references could include author and date information. It is advisable to do this wherever possible. Ideally, the reference should be descriptive enough to make it possible to trace an online article without making use of the internet. For example, by writing to Joystiq about the article "More Kingdom Hearts in 2006" written by Ross Miller on 20 December 2006. This is not required, but would increase the quality of the article. Ref 38 does not include accessdate information, too. This is required.
• In the lead, a game cannot be "critically and commercially successful". It can be critically acclaimed though.

User:Krator (t c) 18:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The above comments have been addressed. I believe I added the appropriate missing information to the references. The lead was also tweaked. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC))

• Conditional Support Could "better" sources than MobyGames, GameFAQs, and IMDB (which are user-submitted content sites) be found to replace Reference 12, 23, 27, 51, and 52? Just a question. Kariteh 10:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
  • We'll see what we can find. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC))
  • New references have been found, I kept the original ones there as secondary citations, if this is a problem, let me know. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC))
  • Support problem solved (although technically I don't see the point for keeping these secondary not-so-reliable sources). Kariteh 17:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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