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[edit] POV

Please review Wikipedia's POV guidelines. Many of your edits to Steinway & Sons and Sviatoslav Richter are considered POV and have already been reverted.THD3 16:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to reiterate what THD said. Sentences like 'The rest of 1300 pianists remain loyal to Steinway, like those who remain loyal to Apple computer for its reliable performance.' are decidedly POV, and definitely unnecessary as the 1300 number has already been dicussed.Alexrexpvt 18:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page

Just a reminder to have a look at the Talk page guidelines. Your extended essays are quite interesting, but most aren't strictly relevant to the article at hand, and at times are simply just a series of personal opinions. Alexrexpvt 23:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to enlarge on this, I do value your contributions to this page, you've added some useful information, and by all means keep doing it. There's just one or two things I'd like to draw to your attention about the talk page:

1) Although it's not the main article, it does still have to maintain some standards, and avoid the sort of POV problems we had with the main article. Claims that Steinway is the best for this or that, based largely on your experience or anecdote, don't really belong on the talk page unless they're directly related to a change you're going to make to the article, and you have supporting sources. (E. g. the lengthy article about the way concert halls choose their pianos, which had no sources, and contained numerous highly POV statements).

2)The page is becoming quite bloated and difficult to navigate; so try to keep your points brief, and avoid personal insights.

3) Try not to edit your posts over and over again to add new material. Other posters may have quoted or responded to you already, and it makes it much more difficult to keep track of the argument.

4) Do remember to sign your name using four tildes.

5) Try to post new material at the bottom of the page, as suggested in the talk page guidelines. Responding to old (and often irrelevant) posts just makes the page needlessly bloated.

Again, thanks for contributing. Alexrexpvt 04:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steinway Mediation

Since you've been listed as a party to the Steinway mediation case, please remember to indicate here whether you agree or disagree and to sign your name; otherwise it can't go ahead. Thanks. Alexrexpvt 19:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation

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[edit] Kirill Lavrov

Thank you for your vast contribution to this article (and I suspect, to others too). I apoligize I had to remove your edits as I suspected a copyright violation. I agree with you that even in the present form the article requires a lot of attention. I can assure you that there is no question that Kirill Lavrov is considered very important for Wikipedia and some day will have a featured status. Happy editing! Yury Petrachenko 18:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome!

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Again, welcome! Alex Bakharev 10:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Did you know

Hello. I have nominated the article you started, Destructive creativity as a potential to appear on the Main Page in the Did you know? section. If you can find more Wikipedia:Citations to add to and/or expand the article in the meanwhile, it would be most appreciated. Yours, Smee 20:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC).

[edit] How to create a User Page

You may wish to create a User Page. You can just click on the red "user page" tab uptop, or invariably also click here - User:Steveshelokhonov. There is some interesting information on User Pages at Wikipedia:User page. Here is the list of Userboxes, and this is some Wikipedia information about Userboxes. Yours, Smee 23:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Destructive creativity

On 17 June 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Destructive creativity, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Destructive creativity

I've nominated Destructive creativity, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Destructive creativity satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Destructive creativity and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Destructive creativity during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. User:Krator (t c) 11:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Krator, Smee, Anynobody, and other users; your editing and comments are useful and appreciated. I am learning Wikipedia through my errors, just the way I learned piano since my early age, and has been learning for decades ever since I was on the endless journey through the art of music (the piano keyboard still remains the most familiar and comfortable instrument). This article was my spontaneous outcry in response to TV news last week. Now I've learned that this is not exactly what Wikipedia guidelines are about, and that's ok, although I'm still unable to understand many of the guidelines, maybe it's due to my handicap in English. I simply tried to contribute some potentially useful information, some of which I've known since my medical school, albeit most of it is well known in a range of professional topics. Thanks to Wikipedia for this highly educational experience.Steveshelokhonov 20:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IMDB material

Please don't copy material from IMDB into Wikipedia. Even if you wrote the original IMDB biography, the copyright belongs to them, and we cannot accept it. Thanks. Chick Bowen 04:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your email

Thanks for your email. We're happy to have you contribute your work, now that you understand the copyright issue. Please make sure, though, that everything is tied to reliable sources, and that there's no overlap in wording with your IMDB bios (obviously, as you say, overlap in facts and timeline is fine). As for the multi-language issue you brought up: I agree that it's a problem, but it's hard to correct because not enough people understand that various languages involved. Since you're obviously fluent in several, if you could help with this issue that would be great. Chick Bowen 15:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I've answered your new message at my talk page; see also User:Steveshelokhonov/Petr. Chick Bowen 22:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Life and adventures of four friends 1 (film)

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I checked this article again and, instead of repairing this one, just started a new article under the correct title, which is now matching IMDb and other sources.Steveshelokhonov 20:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Life and adventures of four friends 2 (film)

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I checked this article again, and instead of repairing this one, just started a new article under the correct title, which is now matching IMDb and other sources.Steveshelokhonov 20:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leningrad Affair

Thank you for your expansion of Leningrad Affair. Please be aware that wikipedia requires that all information, which is not common knowledge or some basic easily verifiable facts, must be supplied with references from reliable sources. Please be aware that this is an encyclopedia and must ontain facts, not judgements. For example your text about Stalin's motives can be nothing but someone's opinion. And wikipedia must state clearly whose opinion it is. `'Míkka 23:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Míkka, for reminding me about sources and thanks for your attention to my modest edits to Leningrad Affair. Much information is available in these books: Stalin: The First In-depth Biography Based on Explosive New Documents from Russia's Secret Archives, 1997, ISBN-10: 0385479549 by Edvard Radzinsky, who is now one of THE most reputable authors writing on Russian history, and also a TV anchor in Moscow. Another book by Dmitri Volkogonov Stalin: Triumph and Tragedy, 1996, ISBN-10: 0761507183, this author was a ranking general in the Red Army. Both authors lived under Stalin, and had access to top secret archives. Some of many other online sources: Stalin and the Betrayal of Leningrad by John Barber[1], and numerous Russian publications, such as [2], and [3], and a series of related current Russian Krugosvet Encyclopedia articles: [4]. Besides I have my own firsthand experience of many years when I lived there and witnessed facts that are not published anywhere (thanks to my profession as an MD), and probably will not be published for a long time. My brief summary of those Russian publications are just a tip of the iceberg , known as the power struggle between top communists around aging Stalin. Only after Stalin's death, sadly, all victims were rehabilitated. These facts are now available after the collapse of the Soviet Union, when many archives were opened to historians and more publications followed bringing out the truth, which eventually becomes translated and available to the rest of the world. My edits are simply adding to what was stated in the article before my input: Stalin was very hard against Leningrad leaders, he specifically ordered his secret service to "make them look like bad criminals" no matter what the truth was. And that's also how he managed to destroy Zinoviev and others before the war and this Leningrad affair, as it was mentioned in the article before my additions (see Russian Encyclopedia Krugosvet: [5]. Thank you again. Regards,Steveshelokhonov 00:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

PS: I am trying to add the above sources to the article, but the system is rejecting my input. Can you help on this matter? Your attention is appreciated.

[edit] AfD nomination of Edita Piekha

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[edit] SECOND WARNING: References!

Once again you have made a great expansion of an article, Khrushchev Thaw, and once again you quoted the text quite sparingly. Please supply the references ASAP, or I will regretfully have to delete your contribution: you have already been warned about the most basic rule of wikipedia. While it is tolerated to have short bare-bone articles unreferenced(and we usually don't harass older artices created when the wikipedia policies were less defined), such a massive new addition, which contains quite a few opinions, in addition to simple facts, requires solid attributions. For example: "Khrushchev and Zhukov needed each other to eliminate their mutual enemies in the Soviet elite." &,dash; who says that? `'Míkka 19:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

References are on the way as I am working on the article now, at this moment, and I'd like to be allowed to complete this work without being interrupted. Please be patient for a few hours (at least), like you were with the article on the "Leningrad Affair". It takes time for me to type, and to read again and to make further improvements and updates. This requires no rush and no pressure (please), as this is a serious work on a very serious theme. Thank you. Regards, Steveshelokhonov 19:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a copy of my recent message: Thank you, Míkka, for your corrections and updates. This part of the Soviet history is little known to the world, because it was kept secret due to its serious threat to the central Soviet leadership in Moscow. Most of my knowledge about this came in the 1990s, after the collapse of the USSR, when my parents revealed that several of my relatives were arrested, executed and died during the dictatorship of Stalin. Now I got documents about my arrested and executed relatives, as well as about some other people; this knowledge had greatly increased my awareness of some less known history of the Soviet era. Thank you again. Regards, Steveshelokhonov 18:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Attention: This is a work in progress. Adding UNREASONABLE WARNINGS, by interrupting an unfinished work, and demanding attention now, not big news. Here is help: a thoughtful work needs no rush, until the improvement is achieved. Someone who wants improvements in Wikipedia articles - please help. Someone who behaves like demonstrating impatience in the middle of a movie, by asking "What's in the END?" please be patient. History does not have an end. There is also no end to sources and references, and when and how the sources are added to an article is my work, because the original author did not add any sources here before I updated this article. Please be patient for the sake of getting better results for Wikipedia. Also please respect my work and time I keep donating to improve articles in Wikipedia, some poor articles indeed. Please, help find out who was interrupting my diligent work for the second time in one week, by blocking the "Save page" clicks. Please help them to think before they act, about how their actions affect the end result, and how they may look after all, in the eyes of many thoughtful people. Help, please. Steveshelokhonov 22:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Save page" clicks

There may be at least two reasons you have "save page" clicks blocked.

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• Wikipedia database maintenance: you can do nothing but either wait until it runs again and click "save" again. Or if you don't have time to wait, copy your text into some file, to insert later. `'Míkka 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Mikka. Regards, Steveshelokhonov 00:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IMDB

Are you the Shelokhonov? If yes, can you consider "donating" these articles to wikipedia? many of them, e.g., about Vadim Abdrashitov are quite poor in wikipedia, andd some are missing. If it too much hassle for you to import them into wikipedia, I will gladly do it for you. `'Míkka 17:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome, Mikka, go ahead. I've donated several of my IMDb articles to wikipedia already, albeit some users deleted my donations (some even accused me of copyvio! funny). I'd give a fresh treatment to some texts and a new layout, like I did to articles about Lavrov (nice man), Basilashvili (whom I also met), Dikiy (whom I'll meet later), Oleg Borisov (genius), Ekster, and other IMDb material. Someone deleted my donated IMDb article about Georgy Zhzhonov (I knew the man, he worked with my dad, so the material has some authentic feel) can that be restored? One chick from MA first destroyed, then agreed to restore part of the article about my father, but the history was lost - can you restore that history? Regards, Steveshelokhonov 18:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leningrad

Hi, I'm a medical student from Split now living in Zagreb.

With all due respect to the countless victims of the Siege of Your city, and with full appreciation to the importance of Leningrad to the Eastern front, I feel that I must disagree. I assure you I am very knowledgable in the history of the Eastern front, and as far as the Nazis and the Finns were concerned, Leningrad was neutralized in almost every way. To such an extent they considered an attack on the city nearly pointless. In any case, at the very least, the battle of Kursk is far more important than the stagnant Siege. Can you honestly say that had the Germans taken Leningrad that it would benefit them nearly as much as the success of operations "Citadel" and "Case Blue"? Leningrad is an important city in economic terms, but in military terms it is very much out of the way (unlike Stalingrad). Please note that the length of the Siege is of little consequence, since that can hardly be the measure of a battle's importance. DIREKTOR 18:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On August 29, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Grand Choral Synagogue of St. Petersburg, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Hi and thanks for the article. you've made a great start to Wikipedia. This article was kindly nominated by Camptown but do feel free to self nom in the future. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Steveshelokhonov 19:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Choral Synagogue of St. Petersburg

Thank you for creating this well written and informative article! Chesdovi 07:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Chesdovi, your attention to my modest article is very much appreciated. Steveshelokhonov 19:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Answer

Draw attention on my answer to you at User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 12:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Siege of Leningrad

It is interesting that you believe the capability of the Finnish high command to time travel in the Siege of Leningrad article. (The dates are sourced, the reason and contents of the meeting are not.) --Whiskey (talk) 00:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Uh, just wanted to point out the same... Say, Whiskey, 1. What was the actual reason for the meeting? 2. What's the deal with this naval detachment? --Illythr (talk) 00:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

1. Mannerheim's 75 birthday. See [6]

2. Colonel Eino Järvinen, who was responsible for coastal defence of the Lake Ladoga, wrote a memo during the winter 1942 where he recommended increasing the number of ships and planes in the area. The experiences of the previous summer, when Soviets had been able to evacuate three encircled divisions with their materiel across the lake and a threatening invasion near Salmi, created the need. He presented the memo to Lt.Gen. Paavo Talvela when he inspected the situation before he left to Germany as a liaison officer. Bypassing Finnish political and military leadership Talvela presented the memo directly in Berlin, where it was viewed very preferably, and April 21, 1942, Kriegsmarine asked Italian navy to transfer MTBs to Lake Ladoga with the mission statement first to prevent Soviet invasions to the Finnish rear and second to attack against Soviet supply transports. Italians accepted it at April 24. At May 13 Kriegsmarine announced to Finnish navy that they and Italians are sending are sending MTBs and mine boats to Lake Ladoga and giving them to Finnish operative command.

After initial confusion, Mannerheim gave order at May 17 which formed the Naval Detachment K, which initially consisted only Finnish motorgunboat 'Sisu', but should include German and Italian reinforcements when they arrived. The four Italian MTBs were transferred May 25 - June 21 from La Spezia to Lahdenpohja, and German Küstenminenboot June 23 - July 7. Germans improved local air defence by sending 21 battlerafts to the area, but they operated independently of Naval Detachment K.

The detachment made about 20 patrols against Soviet targets during the summer and autumn, but as they were still much weaker than Soviet forces in the area, the results were not good but Soviets were able to protect their supply runs to Leningrad. Finally at October 21, 1942 Mannerheim ordered Naval Detachment K to move to the Gulf of Finland and the unit was disbanded at October 30, 1942. --Whiskey (talk) 01:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

And what are those two sources about, then? Still, it looks like that detachment did participate in the siege - by harassing supply ships...? --Illythr (talk) 01:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in some facts about WWII and collaboration between the Finnish and the Nazi forces around the Siege of Leningrad.

Your interest may be satisfied through serious study of all sides of the conflict, as well as by looking at the map, and using healthy good mind (important thing, rare). The war between Finland and Russia caused much losses for both sides, so they better would not have a war. Many Finnish people, some in medical profession, who survived the siege and defended St. Petersburg (Leningrad), were heros on that side, and Mannerheim was also a hero in his situation. As a member of the Axis, he had to be careful with both sides, and also watch his back. Mannerheim accepted Hitler's invitation and visited Germany. At the same time, some Finnish officers communicated directly to the Nazis, behind Mannerheim's back.

Meeting between Hitler and Mannerheim ended on the situation than Finnish side would not provide any help to Leningrad, while passively helping the Nazis by blocking the access to besieged Leningrad from the North and North-East, thus cutting the food supplies to starving citizens. The Hitler-Mannerheim meeting was not one-on-one, both came to the meeting with their staff, advisers, and officers of all ranks. Hitler - Mannerheim meeting served as the reason for officers on both sides at all-levels of command to communicate their military plans and details with their allies in the Axis. When Hitler made trips outside of Germany - many thousands of men in the armed forces and also in various Embassies and missions were working for him before, during, and after the meeting. Mannerheim deserves much respect for his resistance to the Nazis demands to attack Leningrad from the North. But there were others, including some Russians, who collaborated with the Nazis for personal profits. The end was 'partially' summarized at the Nuremberg trial.

Museum of the siege in St. Petersburg is a shocking place, many facts and photos are shown in one building, but the entire city was like that in 1941 - 1944. Other side of the siege, about parents cutting parts of their bodies to feed their starving children, because all food supplies were blocked, those facts are well known. Today you can meet and learn from Leningrad survivors who only survived eating their dead relatives. It was a sad part of human history, the history we need to know, and never repeat again. Finland had a good army standing in the northern suburbs of St. Petersburg for 2,5 years, and at the same time over one million civilians were let die. Steveshelokhonov 02:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I see. Do you just happen to have any, any, published scientific source supporting your claims about the contents of the discussions Hitler and Mannerheim had at June 4, 1942? You are claiming above, that Finns would have provided food to Leningrad without the meeting. Never heard the claim before. What sources you have claiming that Germans and Finns discussed with operational plans and details during the meeting (which was a lunch and a coffee...)? At least the tape Finnish Radio Intelligence recorded secretly from Hitler's table doesn't contain any such discussions. --Whiskey (talk) 13:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Published. 1.2 million civilians died of starvation while encircled by the Nazis (from the south) and Finnish armies (from the north) to cut food delivery. At the same time German and Finnish military and politicians had visits and dinner discussions for 2 years, while civilians were left to die.Steveshelokhonov 13:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

So you don't have any sources. In that case, I suggest that you stop editing and start looking for those sources as otherwise your edits will be reverted by a Wikipedia policy WP:OR. The contents of the Wikipedia articles has to be verifiable from scientific sources. When you have those sources please continue editing. --Whiskey (talk) 13:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for exemplary finesse of style and acuity of thought. To help productive recourse of this marvelously condensed blpd, please read all related Russian articles in Wikipedia with all their sources, then:

To realize the true magnitude of the siege of Leningrad, please complete this educational studies:

1. Visit five museums in St. Petersburg (Blokada, History of the city St. Petersburg, Military Museum at Arsenal, Piskarevskoe cemetery, and "Road of Life") then see their websites to realize that internet is way behind in presenting truth about the big reality. Do you want the truth?

2. Study numerous maps of Nazis and Finnish officers among other souces at three libraries (Publichka on the Nevsky, Academy of Sciences on V.O., and University library). This learning may help. Mannerheim was educated about such facts that many thousands of citizens in St. Petersburg were ethnic Finns and Karelians. Meet the survivors on the other side while they are still alive.

3. Before your studies at St. Petersburg libraries, read Russian internet sources about the siege, and several Russian articles about the siege in Wikipedia. Good articles, but too small to cover the huge reality. Visit St. Petersburg today to make yourself better informed. It'll be many years from now when all libraries with all sources may become available on the web.

4. Top-secret operations, such as "Eis Stoß" (Ice stoss) are not reflected on the web, albeit in reality Goering made sure that it killed tens of thousands. See all the evidence on locations in St. Petersburg - that is the main source of truth.

5. Find numerous remains of victims of the siege all over St. Petersburg and suburbs. There are tens of thousands of remains yet to be identified and buried properly. When you find remains - report to authorities, preserve all details of ammunition and weapons, be careful - there are still many unexploded shells and land-mines around St. Petersburg.

6. You are welcome to participate in burial ceremonies of many unknown remains, like it is done everywhere in the world.

The siege of Leningrad was one of the LARGEST MILITARY OPERAIONS in WWII. It was also one of the longest and most complex maze of battles and chain events in logistics, attacks and counterattacks leaving 1,5 million dead, and with major civilian participation in its battles including women and children. "Nevsky pyatachok" is known as one the deadliest spots on Earth with 300 thousand killed within 12 km. SOME SURVIVORS ARE STILL ALIVE AND SPEAKING in the USA, in Russia, in Finland, and in Germany. A met a survivor of the Siege of Leningrad in West Berlin, in 1989. German government takes good care of survivors and their numerous archives. In the memory of all victims and survivors, we shall help make Wikipedia better. Steveshelokhonov 23:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

PS: Some survivors of the siege were my patients in the 70s and 80s, and I'm still talking to a few survivors on the phone from my home here in LA. I am also translating from Russian articles with their Russian sources, to help make Wikipedia better.Steveshelokhonov 23:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Eh, the point was to examine the level of Finnish contribution to and participation in the siege. --Illythr (talk) 00:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Steve, please. PLEASE! Please add your sources to your text! And please, crosscheck your sources! And please, don't do WP:OR in the article! And especially: PLEASE don't add blatant lies to the article! And try to refrain adding halftruths also. In a way you have done it now it disgraces the whole article! I see you have great interest to the subject, and you are willing to invest your work on the issue. So if you want to contribute something lasting, you better start taking much more care to the factual contents you are writing and also how it is presented in the article. --Whiskey (talk) 20:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I've been reading Baryshnikov's book, unfortunately rather quickly, so I didn't found the place where he quotes September 11 dinner between German ambassador Wipert von Blücher and president Risto Ryti. Do you happen to remember the Chapter and it's approximate location there? --Whiskey (talk) 12:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Please be aware of this Wikipedia:Red link policy--mrg3105mrg3105 02:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Allow me

		The Barnstar of National Merit
		I, Alex Bakharev (talk), award you this Barnstar of National Merit for your fine contributions to the history of Saint Petersburg Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the honor. My glass is always half full. Cheers.Steveshelokhonov 02:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you wrote at user:Steveshelokhonov/Siege_of_Leningrad first instead of occupying the Wikipedia name space i.e. Siege_of_Leningrad with an in use template? Andries (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Reino Helismaa

Maybe an WP:RFC is in order. Corvus cornix_talk 00:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Churchill on Leningrad and Mannerheim

In Jan. 27 you wrote on Siege of Leningrad about Churchill’s Dec. 1941 diary entry on the encirclement of Leningrad and his asking Mannerheim to stop hassling Allied convoys to Russia. You give as reference his The Second World War, without giving a volume and page number. It is a huge work, but I both scanned the probable sections of the work and the index to it, and found nothing to the effect. I haven’t found anything the like on the web either, not even about his diaries; I hope you realise The Second World War isn’t Churchill’s diary, but a later compilation of his correspondence, notes and other records of the war.

I have left an explanatory comment with full bibliographical reference to my copy, as well as a reference request on a similar passage which I would be grateful if you could request. If you can find the proper reference, please fill with volume number and name, book number, chapter number and name and page number, and remove my commentaries.

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Leandro GFC Dutra (talk) 18:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Violation of the integrity right and other rights

OK. I will return the original verson on sr. wikipedia, and I am verry sorry about this. I will create the page of your father on sr. wikipedia. Rade Nagraisalovic (talk) 13:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

[edit] Edita Piekha

With regard to her studying at Leningrad Conservatory - I don't doubt that your memories are accurate, but there should be a source to verify it. Otherwise, according to WP policy it could be considered OR. Maybe there is a written biography of her in Russian that you have access to? Even a newspaper or magazine article. As I understand you to say - she started studying at the conservatory while still a student at the Univ. - in which case "transferred" would not be accurate. I'll leave it as is until I hear from you. Gr8white (talk) 02:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the info. For now I just changed it from transferred to began studying. I may incorporate some of the other info if I get around to it. Gr8white (talk) 07:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bechstein pianos: history and today

Hi. Two things I want to mention. First, thanks for your work to expand and improve the Bechstein article. It is coming along well, and I really appreciate your considerable efforts to cite sources. Your essay on the associated talk page is another matter. While it is very interesting, I fear that isn't an appropriate place for it. Talk pages are supposed to be for discussions about the article, not lengthy personal anecdotes about the article's subject (see WP:Talk_page_guidelines). I'll leave it be for the moment because it contains information that, with proper citations, could be valuable to the article. It really doesn't belong there, however, and I hope you won't be offended if I or someone else reverts it in the near future. Perhaps you might consider moving it into your user space. Rivertorch (talk) 05:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate that you responded to my comment, but your response completely ignored my stated concern regarding your placement of inappropriate material on the talk page. In fact, you have added more such text there in the meantime. Therefore, I will ask you once more: please either follow talk page guidelines or explain why you feel they shouldn't apply to you in this instance. Otherwise, it probably would be best simply to delete what you have written there. To make it official, here's the official template:

Please do not use talk pages such as C. Bechstein Pianofortefabrik for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article. They are not to be used as a forum or chat room. See here for more information. Thank you. Rivertorch (talk) 14:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Rivertorch (talk)

Welcome to discussion about pianos.

Your contribution to this and other articles is highly appreciated.

Knowledge is in the mind of the beholder.

Let's put our minds together and keep making Wikipedia better.

Nice and thoughtful contributions are especially valuable.

Regards,

Steveshelokhonov 15:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Culture, society and the battle between pianomakers for a place in royal palaces

Hi. Thanks for the congrats. This topic looks interesting, and I'd love to help. However, it is way out of my area of knowledge. I'll read these articles and watch them, and if I come across anything like an image I'll add it. This doesn't seem likely, though good luck anyways! I'll be interested to see how far you take these topics. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 19:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Bechstein

You're welcome. I'm reading through the Bechstein article now. Graham87 05:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok I've copyedited the article. I can play piano, but due to coordination problems and other things to do with being born premature, I didn't get very far. On a good day I can do a reasonable performance of Mozart's K. 545 or Für Elise but not much further than that. Therefore I hadn't thought much about the difference between piano manufacturers ... I have absolute pitch so the first thing I notice is when they're "out of tune". When I was growing up my family had a century-old piano ... I think it was a Bechstein. It was properly tuned only once that I remember ... but it sounded amazingly warm after that. The YouTube recordings remind me of its sound. The other quirk about the old piano was how light it felt to the touch - most other pianos seemed stiff compared to it.

The talk pages on Wikipedia are strictly about improvements to the article, but I don't like strict enforcement of that rule. People have opinions, and if they can't express them in articles, they inevitably spill onto talk pages ... and I think it makes reading talk pages much more interesting. For examples of what I mean, see the talk pages of Gimli Glider and Wesley Willis. I've written this on your talk page because it's quite personal and some of what I've said has nothing to do with the article at all. Graham87 06:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Performing music, once you get really into it, is an incredible and unique experience ... I suppose that is why studies have consistently shown that children who learn music at a young age are more intelligent than those who did not take music lessons. It just improves a person in every way ... physically, intellectually, emotionally, and in self-discipline. Graham87 07:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

So true. It is now 1 AM on the West Coast, and I just played a little night music before a good night sleep. Regards.

[edit] re your edits to John Lennon

I am removing the exhaustive list of instruments added by you to the above article. The article is already very long, and the notability of Lennon as a performer relating to the majority of the list is minimal (Rickenbacher guitars notwithstanding). If you wish to recreate the list as a small article to be linked from the main then please go ahead. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I've answered on your talk page. However, the article looked more complete and accurate with the list of instruments John Lennon played, that was his job - playing musical instruments, so the list of his instruments might be helpful, like in other articles about musicians in Wikipedia. Steveshelokhonov 21:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sister cities on Saint_Petersburg

I commented the sister cities list because it's been 9 months without sources. Since you appear to be from that city, can you give me some link at, for example, the municipality website, where I can look up a list of which cities are really sistered and which are not? --Enric Naval (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Sophie Marceau.jpg

Image:Sophie Marceau.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ultraviolet scissor flame (notify | contribs)

Dear Steve,

Hi, Thanks for your message. If you click on logs above, you will see that user:Rjaklitsch uploaded it as a non-free image in December 2007 and stated that it came from a book. That's how I knew. I think it's important to fight people on Wikipedia who falsely claim to be the copyright holders of photos that do not, in fact, belong to them. I hope you are successful with your book. I, actually, am a fan of your father's as I enjoyed watching him in Anna Karenina. All the best.

Vonita (talk) 08:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Vonita,

Thank you very much for your diligence. More people like you are needed on the internet to help making it a better place.

Regards,

Steveshelokhonov 18:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sophie Marceau

Dear Steve,

Hi,

I just wanted to tell you that that photo has been deleted from Wikipedia. Your copyright has been restored to you.

Vonita (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)