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[edit] Copied text

Copied text, whether from Public Domain source or not, needs to be set aside in quotatation marks or quotes. This per WP:REF and common sense. Yes, it is not a copyright violation if the text is public domain. However, to allow general application of in-line citations, to bring towards good article or featured article status, it is necessary to track sources, including the sources of wording. General credit to one source does not provide specific credit for wording, that is what quotations do. if u want to remove quotation crediting, then reword all the material u wish to remove from quotes, please! sincerely, doncram (talk) 03:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no specific need to give credit for wording here; we normally do so because quoting other people's work is a copyright violation and using quotations to make specific point is legitimate fair use. But because this is public domain text, that's not a problem. If we are going to set aside copied text in quotes, then every article that comes from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica (see {{1911}} and WP:1911) or the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships ({{DANFS}}) would have to be redone. That's simply not how things work around here. Furthermore, having big sections of quoted text specifically discourages people from editing those blocks because they don't feel they are allowed to. Does that make sense? Also, WP:REF says nothing about public domain text. howcheng {chat} 05:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

You may also wish to see WP:CP#Plagiarism that does not infringe copyright. We have to attribute the text to the source, but that's what the {{NPS}} template is for here. howcheng {chat} 05:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I am entirely familiar with the distinction between copyright violation (which does not apply for public domain text) and improper referencing (which is what i am concerned with). WP:REF and WP:CITE#HOW are style guidelines that are more apropos, although they are not as clear as i would like them to be. There is a discussion ongoing now in talk page for WP:REF, which i am not happy to anticipate you joining, but perhaps you should in fact take a look at it. Not to be glib, but you point me to the section titled "Plagiarism that does not infringe copyright". I happen to think that copying text and not putting it in quotes is a form of plagiarism, which is to be avoided, and can be avoided easily by using the quote marks at the time you copy it in. Sincerely, doncram (talk) 02:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)