User talk:Helenalex

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Welcome!

Hello, Helenalex, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Just H 00:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Treaty of Waitangi and related articles

I think your edits in these areas are great, and I welcome your expertise. In general, I would like you to source your edits, but I accept that much of our existing content does not cite its sources. When you add material which is not controversial, adding citations with it is desirable but not absolutely essential. When the material is controversial, the sources become vital; however, what makes any material controversial is primarily that someone else challenges it. In the long term, the benefit of providing sources for all material is so the information can be defended even if you are no longer available to supply those sources.

Since your changes are based on your PhD thesis, and that had better be well sourced if you want it to be accepted, you should have no trouble quoting your primary sources for most of the material. I realise that the thesis might use your own interviews with living people for more recent events or unpublished diaries of historical figures for earlier events, and these primary sources are not suitable for reference in Wikipedia. Once your thesis is submitted, it becomes a source which can be used as a ref.

Most of the articles you have been editing do not use the preferred footnoting style; you should look at Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Footnotes to see the preferred methods, or see 2006 Fijian coup d'état or any of the articles featured on the main page for examples of well-referenced articles.

I'm no great expert on New Zealand history, but feel free to ask me if you need any help dealing with Wikipedia.-gadfium 01:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Well done on your edits of the ToW article. --Lholden 01:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Appreciate your comments on my brief effort at clarifying the SOE case - I was in a rush and didn't have time to properly get my head around how the legislation was the first that let the courts consider the Treaty, and how to explain that while leaving the nice structure you made intact. Go ahead and edit if I've left it unclear - I'm sure between us we'll get there. --Tirana 06:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Auckland Meetup 2 Scheduled - Feb 10 2007

You are invited to Auckland Meetup 2 on the afternoon of Saturday February 10th 2007 at Galbraith's Ale House in Mt Eden. Please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland 2 for details. You can also bookmark Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland to be informed of future NZ meetups. - SimonLyall 09:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT category name

You might be able to supply useful input at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_5#Category:GLBT_New_Zealand. Should the word "culture" appear in the category name?-gadfium 22:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kiwis

Welcome from yet another Kiwi!

My user page has this at the top: See Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board. You might like to have the same on yours, as a quick way of keeping tabs on some of us.

Ka kite.

Robin Patterson 06:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC) in Porirua

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[edit] Tiriti

Great work on Treaty of Waitangi. KIa kaha koe. Kahuroa 18:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - will thank Tirana too. Collaborations can be great - I had one last year with User:Bucketsofg to source/rewrite a lot of the Polynesian Mythology articles which were in a dire state. Still need work but at least they are sourced for the most part... Kahuroa 23:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HELP!

Please visit the NAMBLA article talk page Talk:North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association#categories_again and voice your disgust at NAMBLA being included as an LGBT organisation. Alternatively, if you believe that this is indeed an LGBT organisation, then you're welcome to voice that opinion. Either way, discussion is needed! Enzedbrit 21:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help reverting

Hi Helenalex, I noticed you had difficulty reverting a vandal at Stock market crash. Read this for an easier way to remove vandalism. You might also want to install popups for an even easier way to revert. Leave a note if you have any questions, and thanks for the good work! —EncMstr 23:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Otago

Any thoughts on this article? Looks a little off-beam to me, with its Moahunters and 'peaceful' Waitaha stuff, perhaps relying on out of date material or on new-agey stuff?. Cheers Kahuroa 23:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tu Pounamu

Looks like teenage fun... I used to live in the Bay of Plenty and knew the family of the Paramount chief of Ngāti Awa, never heard anything of TP4. I even saw their whakapapa going back into the 17th century, not a TP in sight. On Aquinas College, Tauranga he backs up TP4 with a reference to Grey - that is false too - Grey definitely doesnt mention a TP4. Title 'chieftain-prince' is dodgy. The whole thing is dodgy. Think I will ask User:Gadfium to have a look at this user's edits. Kahuroa 04:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

See User talk:Gadfium for his reply - AfD is 'article for deletion'. Kahuroa 09:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand

I would like to disagree regarding the one line comment of the history of NZ from 1788 to 1840. A fuller history would include the Declaration of Independence of 1835, the letters patent of 1839; but the short statement that it was formally part of NSW I believe is worth one line. Alan Davidson 06:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC) OK Alan Davidson 06:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand culture

Thanks for the invitation, but I wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot bargepole, I'm afraid - not my area of expertise. There's a real risk that a subject like that gets infected with unacknowledged POV politics, whether it's the whole 1/4 acre pavlova paradise business, or ethnic nationalism, or "cultural cringe". My only suggestions - have a look at the other New Europe culture pages and see how they cope with the blend of indigenous and immigrant cultures, and find some citable sources, eg Jock Philips, James Belich etc. It really needs to be dragged back from the assumed to the citable. --Tirana 23:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:New Zealand stub templates

Hi - I wish you hadn't made this category! There was an ongoing battle relating to separate stub template categories for some time at WP:WSS and elsewhere. Stub templates are not added to a separate category hierarchy, since they are already categorised along with the stub articles in the main stub category hierarchy. Grutness...wha? 04:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops... I think my main rationale was to have all the stub codes in one place so they would be easier to find and therefore use. Perhaps a page listing NZ stub codes would be a better solution?

Yeah, that's probably a better idea. A lot of WikiProjects list their relevant stub types on the project page, so perhaps somewhere on Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand (or a subpage of it) would be the best place to list them. Grutness...wha? 02:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

I award you this Barnstar for your efforts to finally sort out the Political party categories. Thanks! Brian (Talk) 10:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice to see you back here

I thought we might have lost you, but I guess you were on holiday.-gadfium 20:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT contributors

G'day! Have you thought to signing up here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_LGBT_studies/Members

[edit] Any comments?

I see you have made several changes to Military history of New Zealand, I take this to mean you are interested in this subject and I was wondering what your views were on my suggestion on its talk page.Blacksmith2 ^talk 04:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup

Hey, I noticed you attended one of the previous auckland meetups, and I am notifying previous attendees we are planning another one on 11th August. See the meetup page for more information, or to say if you are coming. Thanks! Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 01:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

You recently tagged my article for deletion PANDEAN Diet. I am a new user of wikipedia. Can you assit me with an explanation on why you felt my article should be deleted, maybe there was something wrong with the wording and i can fix it. Any suggestion would help. Thanks.

Katyecun 15:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question 2

You recently deleted a lot of content from the Ulster Tower Thiepval. To say the content is irrelevant is not enough to do this. Please explain your actions.
And please redo your work at Ulster Tower Thiepval, because I think your knowledge about this place is not accurate. Have you ever been there? Ever read the books about the place?
Harm Frielink 20:59, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laptop

For shame! Good to see you back :-) --Lholden 00:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Compulsory Unionism in New Zealand

Hi Helen! I don't know what your sources are, but compulsory unionism was definitely not abolished by the Holyoake government. Read John Marshall's biography - he pushed for the idea, but Holyoake stepped back from it. It was the Muldoon government in 1983-1984 that abolished it.

What the Holyoake government did was introduce the Unqualified Preference Clause, which required that when it came to employment, unionists had to be given priority over nonunionists. In practice, this meant that nonunionists could almost never be hired. David Cannon 23:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Orange Institution

Hi - I have moved your sandbox article to User:Helenalex/sandbox/OrangeInstitution as you had created the page in the main article namespace. Cheers, ELIMINATORJR 21:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Lodgeparade.JPG

Are you Helen Robinson? Are you the photographer of this image? Chaddy 14:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Orange Order

Wanted to explain this here rather than the article talk page, to prevent starting any new arguments. I don't object to the views of Paul Butler being included, what I objected to was this edit combining what he said with another source to provide a piece of information that is in neither source. Yes Paul Butler may be in a position to know to an extent, but even if he had said that all 282 attacks were committed by nationalists (which he didn't) it's still dubious. The attacks were across Ireland over a 30+ year period, it's not plausible that he could say in any certainty that all 282 were committed by nationalists. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 11:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Why are you raising this ONiH? The article doesn't say that anymore, and rightly so. I added a source and the way I did it made the sentence read badly, this was rectified with, it must be said, no positive contribution from you. There is no reason to bring this up again as the problem, such as it existed, went away weeks ago.Traditional unionist (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm raising it here as I didn't have time to address this at the time, in particular the part that says "The page doesn't say that every hall was burnt by a nationalist, just that Paul Butler has said there is a nationalist arson campaign against Orange halls, and it does seem like he would know". I've never objected to the current version of the article, and wanted to clarify that. Rather than risk starting yet another heated discussion on the talk page, I thought it best just to clarify things here. OK? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

1)You didn't make that clear and 2)I note you still haven't retracted your vile and unsubstantiated claims.Traditional unionist (talk) 18:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

For the love of god, why are you two having an argument on my talk page??? Can't you be annoying somewhere else?

In reference to ONiH's statement which refers to something I actually did write, I really can't see what the problem is. I specifically said I don't think every attack on an Orange hall was the work of nationalists - hell, I even said the odd one probably was the work of loyalists. Unless you're trying to claim that Paul Butler is completely wrong and there's no nationalist campaign against Orange halls whatsoever, I don't even see what you're disagreeing with. If that IS what you're arguing, I don't even know what to say, but I'd love to know how you explain the high rate of arson against them... --Helenalex (talk) 23:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rollback

Would you like to have rollback? It's more efficient for some anti-vandalism purposes than the javascript tools such as Twinkle.-gadfium 07:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Done.-gadfium 08:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:AUK

This is an invitation to WikiProject Auckland, a WikiProject which aims to develop and expand Wikipedia's articles on Auckland. Please feel free to join us.

Taifar ious1 09:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hagley Community College

Why did you mark it for notability? Hagley is perfectly notable as far as schools go in Christchurch. Has a large school roll too. Bactoid (talk) 23:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Ireland law template

I really like that template, however it refers solely to the House of Commons, Northern Ireland has a very similar but seperate legislative body at present, for which this temnplate can't be used. Perhaps just a rename and new template with a different logo?Traditional unionist (talk) 13:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The senate was a fully functioning legislative upper house, it was just a bit inneffectual! I'll take a look at that sometime.Traditional unionist (talk) 18:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Ireland

Hi,

I'd like to take the opportunity to advise you on two matters which, being a member or former member of the Northern Ireland WikiProject or it's sister project on Belfast, you might be interested in the following submission about a recent terrorist attack Wikipedia:Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board#News.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to ask for your help in reviving the Northern Ireland WikiProject. Given that there are only a small number of Wikipedians from Northern Ireland or interested specifically in the region, the project needs all the help it can get.

Cheers, --Setanta747 (talk) 13:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Westlake

Hi. Thanks for your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westlake, County Londonderry. Can I just ask you to return to the page and read my reply because I think there's been some confusion. Westlake isn't a village, it's just a road with some new houses on it. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Antipasto: A response

(I posted this on my talk page as well, but thought cross-posting here is a good idea)

Interestingly and relevant to my response here, we just had a company social/meal celebration earlier this afternoon here in a rural and non-touristy part of North Canterbury (it is a farming district, not Hanmer Springs or Kaikoura) which is one of the two most Pakeha-internsive regions in the country, and my boss, who organized the meal, is about as traditional Kiwi as you get here - certainly no Jafa and not even a city person. The main feature of the meal gathering is, you guessed it, antipasto. A bowl of aioli surrounded by julienned celery and carrots, and another plate is plattered with green and black olives, sun-dried tomatoes, liver pate, salami (pepperoni?). Mind you, we are not in Jafaland aka Auckland, so you can't simply dismiss our case as a cosmopolitan-area outlier. So the fact that we in rural NZ serve antipasto for entertaining guests does say something.

Allyson Gofton has put ways to make an antipasti platter in her recipe books without labelling this as "ethnic dish" as she does laksa (eg see this http://www.ecook.co.nz/index.php/ps_pagename/recipedetail/pi_recipeid/2080 ), and Peta Mathias claims it has become a common part of meals for entertaining guests (see her descriptions on olives, delicatessens, aioli on her A Cook's Tour of New Zealand (2005)), so I strongly disagree it is not yet a part of New Zealand cuisine. I wouldn't say your picture is incorrect, and indeed your perception of what NZ cuisine is and should be is identical to the picture my HK Chinese migrant parents still hold. It is only that perception has become a little out of date or old-fashioned. NZ food has been turned upside down pretty much since 1995, so perhaps the wave of change hasn't caught among your family and friends yet.

Anyhow, there is soon going to be a publication on the history and evolution of New Zealand cuisine in September, First, Catch Your Weka: The Story of New Zealand Cooking by David Veart. I think we should declare ceasefire to the argument of whether NZ cuisine is morphing into generic cosmopolitan fares (my side) or still sticking to traditional dishes (your side) these days, and use Veart's book as a judge. --JNZ (talk) 11:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your response, I agree that we may be stepping onto the territory of "what people eat in NZ" rather than cuisine that represents NZ to the outsiders. But isn't accepting foreign influences an integral part of NZ cuisine due to its young history? In Australia, no one would protest what Neil Perry or Bill Granger cook are not iconic Australian food to outsiders. I'm sure the staff at the Cuisine magazine would be interested to take someone to task for declaring Pacific Rim influenced dishes are cuisine in NZ rather than cuisine of NZ. Nowadays Tourism New Zealand's promotions overseas do depict the quasi-Mediterranean/Pacific Rim styles of cuisines of 21st century New Zealand. I'm sure you can go philosophical and argue being there does not necessarily mean it is iconic yet, but common sense would deduce this picture, being used to sell the idea to foreign tourists, shows the modern NZ cuisine of green curry and antipasto are just as representative to NZ cuisine as pavlova.

If you aren't happy with this in the mean time before Veart's book's publication, I'm sure Mark McDonough of Zarbo Deli in Newmarket will only be too happy to argue with you, and he is quite outspoken that fusion Pacific Rim cuisine is modern NZ cuisine. <G>--JNZ (talk) 01:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The reason antipasto is but yum cha isn't is because a) a whole lot of people prepare and eat them at home; b) more New Zealanders in proportion know what antipasto is than dim sum, and c) it is sold at restaurants that regard themselves as "New Zealand" as well. This does make a lot of difference. --JNZ (talk) 09:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC) Addition: I should add that plenty of people of the type like Peta Mathias or Lauraine Jacobs already argue the likes of antipasto is representative of 'new' New Zealand cuisine. You may dismiss these as food snobs' takes and thus unscholarly, but in this field, foodies are the experts. --JNZ (talk) 07:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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