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Haifa bint Faisal – Inactive. – 23:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Haifa bint FaisalThis article is somewhat sourced but I think it needs the attention of someone more experienced with BLP issues than I am.--BirgitteSB 20:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Danah Boyd – Taken to Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard. – 23:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Danah Boyd→ See also: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive92#Use of BLP justification getting out of hand Resolved. Per below. Not really a BLPN issue and matter is being addressed at AN -- Jreferee (Talk) 20:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Several previous discussions have taken place regarding the titling of this article and capitalization of the subject's name. In a nutshell:
There are, roughly speaking, two camps here: one which believes that per BLP, the article should use "danah boyd" as much as possible, and one which believes, per WP:NAME, that the article must follow the presentation used in mainstream news coverage. Both regular editors and admins of Wikipedia have come down on both sides at different times, and the article has occasionally been tugged back and forth between the two capitalizations. So... could we get some discussion and hopefully a final resolution of whether this is a BLP-related matter of fact, or a MOS-related matter of style? Ubernostrum 23:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Jock m sommese – Deleted – 02:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Jock m sommeseAs User:Radiant! brought to my attention, the Jock m sommese article reads like an attack piece. The article has a source, but the article seems more certain and negative than its source. This really is the sort of thing Wikipedia could get sued for. (It accuses the man of crimes for which he has not been convicted.) – Quadell (talk) (random) 02:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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Mike Nifong – Inactive. – 16:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Mike NifongThis looks like a Coatrack for 2006 Duke University lacrosse case, rather than a biography. Possibly redirect to that article, protected if necessary, would be preferable to holding what amounts to a fork on content. --Tony Sidaway 07:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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Movement to impeach George W. Bush – Inactive. – 17:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Movement to impeach George W. Bush
Perhaps I am misusing the term POV fork, though it does seem to be information that would normally be in Bush's bio, but has been split off. My main issue, which I am not sure mediation is even looking at, is that there are a large amount of unreliable self-published sources cited in the article. While this article is supposedly about the "movement", it is really about George W. Bush, who is a living person. These sources need to be removed. (These sources aren't allowed in ANY articles except possibly articles about the blogs themselves, per WP:V.) I tried to get some BLP oversight by adding the cats and/or template, only to have them removed. This tells me that the regular editors of that article do not wish to have a high blp visibility on this article. (I would say that they have been pretty successful at it, because I did not even know that this article existed until last week.) Many of these sources are obscured at initial review, because they show up in the footnotes as just a footnote number, whithout even the url visible, or they are inline linked into the article. I was going to do my citation rehabilitation thing on the article, but there is a monstrous list, and I know that many of them should be deleted. It's a bit of work to format and verify each source, so I would like to clean some of the unacceptable sources out before I get into the meat of it. But if editors are going to be obstructing me, I am hesitant to even start. Being under protection makes it sort of a moot point at the moment anyway. - Crockspot 18:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Again, the issue I am mainly concerned about is the dubious sourcing being used. - Crockspot 20:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The 23:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC) semiprotection was set to expire within 48 hours, which it did. The article is a coatrack, and a huge one: over 115+ kB (longer than BLP/N on a bad day) with a talk page nearly twice that. — Athaenara ✉ 07:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Terry Semel – Resolved. – 23:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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CarlosRodriguez repeatedly adds a bunch of POV text to Terry Semel. Example: "In June 2007, after shareholders expressed their disgust at Semel's exorbitant pay and mediocre performance, the disgraced Semel was forced out of his position at Yahoo." And: "In 2005, Semel was given the UCLA Medal, an award UCLA gives to donors of large amounts of money." Pfalstad 15:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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Toupee – Resolved. – 23:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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ToupeeToupee#List of known toupee wearers - Dispute over inclusion of a poorly sourced list of people (living and dead) to wear toupees. I feel this both violates BLP and WP:NOT as a list of useless and potentially harmful trivia. // VanTucky 22:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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Lil Jon – Inactive. – 23:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Lil JonThis article seems to be watched by a scant number of registered editors, and is frequently being vandalised, both with defamatory edits, bad information, and just plain vandslism. I can't keep track of the information. Anyone who could watchlist this page would be nice. The Evil Spartan 15:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Jordan Maxwell – Resolved. – 23:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Ali Abdullah Saleh – Resolved. – 23:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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biography president Saleh of YemenSomebody's been inserting insults and/or politically motivated arguments in this biography. I have no personal opinion on the matter, but it's clearly not balanced, objective information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.201.131.134 (talk • contribs) 09:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Josh Olson – Resolved. – 23:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Josh OlsonAn unregistered user added a paragraph] to Josh Olson, describing a rumored conflict between Olson and another screenwriting team. The rumor was allegedly described at Craig Mazin's ArtfulWriter.com. I vaguely recall seeing something about this at ArtfulWriter, but I couldn't find any real description of the incident. Plus, I didn't think it was encyclopedic, so I deleted it. Another anonymous user then added the rumor back into the entry, along with a link that allegedly demonstrated that Olson had confirmed the rumor. I looked at the link, which seemed to be a discussion thread consisting of (a) people using names like Josh Olsen (note the "e") to parody Olson's style, and Olson himself making fun of the rumor. There was no confirmation. So, I deleted the rumor again. Olson has certainly proved himself to be an intense and argumentative guy in various online discussions, but I don't see any reason to include this rumor in his entry. It doesn't seem especially notable, and it certainly hasn't been reliably sourced. --Jacobw 11:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Ayman Ahmed El-Difrawi – Resolved. – 17:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Ayman Ahmed El-DifrawiThere are numerous concerns for this article. I'd like to request the following changes be made to the article: ... operates several illegal, web-based, employment scams... How is this verifiable? Is there an arrest record citing these specific websites as the cause of an arrest? Also: Other websites that he owns and operates include: World Poker League, EZ Auctions,Tube Review, Our Classifieds, Good Grades Now, Consumer Business Bureau, United States Human Resources Association, eBand Search, Ask America , VeriResume, Admin Solutions Group, Package Door Now and others. Many of his sites are suspected employment scams. Again, how is this nothing but supposition on part of the original author? It's already been discussed that many of the problems with the original article were that there were no references cited while making exaggerated claims regarding criminal activity. This is another huge leap of logic which either doesn't have references, or if they do, have references which are linked to third-party questionable sites. Given that other allegations have been removed due to the same circumstances, I see no reason why these websites need to be arbitrarily linked to this person when there's nothing concrete to back those claims up. I also thought that the supposed names of employees were being removed due to the same issue of not having a reliable source - I see some have been removed, but not all. Occham 14:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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Valerie Day – Inactive. – 17:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Hi, could you please check the contributions of TheBLPGuy? I think he's taking the BLP guidelines a little too far, but I could be wrong. It seems a shame to gut an entire article like Valerie Day that doesn't seem to be contentious, derogatory or libelous. Thanks. Latr, Katr 22:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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Martti Ahtisaari – Resolved. – 17:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Martti AhtisaariA couple of users have been adding a dubiously sourced and probably libellous accusation against the article's subject (e.g. [1]). I've not been able to find any corresponding reports in the English-language media and I strongly suspect that it's been concocted to discredit the subject for his role in current international negotiations. The accusation has been dealt with for now but it may well reappear; we'll need to keep an eye on the article for a few days. -- ChrisO 23:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Having reviewed this again, I believe that the article's coverage of the Serbian allegations breached WP:NPOV#Undue weight and also the guidance at WP:BLP#Criticism. I've therefore eliminated that section of the article and summarised its contents in two lines in the previous section. I'd be grateful if other editors could review this and provide some independent feedback. See this diff. -- ChrisO 11:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
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Cleveland crime family – Inactive. – 17:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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I received the same e-mail. Unfortunately the author is totally vague about what the problem is, which doesn't help... -- ChrisO 08:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Niko Dimitrakos and Petr Sýkora – Resolved. – 17:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Niko Dimitrakos and Petr Sýkora[4][5]. The source provided for Petr Sykora's "controversy" (forgiving for a moment that it's a copy of a fox news broadcast on youtube) says absolutely nothing to support it. I have tried warning this user, at first in edit summaries (he is knowledgeable enough to use them, so I presume he reads them as well), and then on his talk pages [6][7]. Despite what I consider my clear explanation of WP:BLP, this user has reverted these two articles five and four times respectively and accuses other editors of vandalism for removing the sections. I'm posting here because I feel that assuming good faith has run its course. Someguy1221 02:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC) , , and (almost certainly all the same person) have been repeatedly adding unsourced "controversies" sections to these articles |
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CENSORSHIP – Inactive. – 17:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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CENSORSHIP
This is to report a gross case of censorship concerning the article on Dan Voiculescu, of the Conservative Party, Romania. The history of the debate is readable in the Talk section of the article, but the outcome of the debate was that one of the contenders - JUDEX73 - has been banned from editing the article, without any logical explanation. Such practices risk to transform Wikipedia into a libelous communication medium and expose it to lawful consequences. They also may induce the suspicion that Wikipedia is involved in the inner political struggle from a certain country - in this case, Romania - and is taking sides in this struggle.I want to ask everybody interested in the welfare and credibility of Wikipedia to follow the debate and express an opinion on the subject. JUDEX73 —Preceding unsigned comment added by JUDEX73 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC) |
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2002 George W. Bush pretzel incident – Inactive. – 17:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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2002 George W. Bush pretzel incident→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2002 George W. Bush pretzel incident (2nd nomination) (result: no consensus)
Living people category→ See also: Living People Patrol and its talk page As the notice at the top of Category talk:Living people says, "Please note: This is not a typical category! Read the archived discussion and reasons for its existence before complaining about the "point" of having this new, administrative-style category." — Athaenara ✉ 20:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Discussion continuedI am getting blowback from an admin, User:Stemonitis, who has created a new category that no one knows about, and only has one article in it (well, no articles now), yet he insists that it is the new category that we are supposed to use. - Crockspot 18:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I think we need to clarify better on the category page for "Living people" that: This category is used by the BLPP for monitoring articles that pertain to living people; This category may contain articles that are not biographies proper, but still pertain to living people, and are added at the discretion of BLP patrollers, or other editors concerned about BLP oversight of an article; If an editor feels that the category is improperly applied, they should ask here (BLPN) before removing the category tag from an article. Discuss. - Crockspot 19:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
As someone else explained, BLP policy is not restricted to only articles in Category: Living People. So feel free to add the BLP template. Unfortunately, the real problem seems to be this article's very existence. In today's world, any incident like this will garner some media coverage, but I think it's highly dubious to create an entire article on it. I believe this is an invalid use of content forking, and I would question the rationale of its creators. --C S (Talk) 11:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Mike Magee (journalist) – Inactive. – 23:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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3ABN – Resolved. – 17:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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3ABNThis article has had unsourced material (or material from a website meant to change one's opinion) related to one Danny Shelton twice, in a 'criticism' section. I removed it once, and referred to this policy in the talk page. If up to me, it would be removed again, but in the interest of preventing an edit war, I seek further input on the matter on the Talk:3ABN page. Skybunny 17:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
The same person has once again restored the information, adding a source that unfortunately does not contain the disputed information. On the talk page the same editor demands discussion before deletion, disregarding the fact that I and another editor have explained the problem on the talk page. Currently the disputed unsourced contentious material is in the article. I have left a request for reliable sources and consensus.
The person who restored the information has posted a source which looks reliable to me. I have rewritten the disputed content based on that source. Avb 22:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The important thing is that Maniwar's text has to be removed as long as it remains unsourced. Perhaps an admin can take a look? Maniwar seems unwilling to acknowledge or unable to understand the arguments on the talk page and here. Avb 00:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Jossi, I think I accidentally reverted you. It was unintentional as I was adding a source and hit save twice. Now, as for comment of Avb above, this issue is a large one within the Seventh-day Adventist community. As I explained on the talk page, it has gained international notice within that community. It has made it up the world leadership of the church, the President and the Chairman of the Board of 3ABN is addressing it, and independant investigation is being called by the World Church. What I am trying to say, is that perhaps in the scope of global things it may seem small, but it is quite a large issue within the community. It must be mentioned and it has the attention of the world church. To leave it out supports those who do not want dirty laundry aired. I apologize for the accidental revert, at least I think I did, but because you are not within the community, you don't understand the vast importance of the issue. What are your thoughts? --Maniwar (talk) 01:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
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Influence and activism of J. K. Rowling – Article deleted. – 23:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Influence and activism of J. K. Rowling→ See also: previous Afd and current Afd
A dispute exists over whether well documented and sourced content is actually WP:OR. The dispute seems to be because Rowling is admittedly "left-wing" and the material tends to support her declared values. Rather than tagging the material as in dispute, this has already been sent to deletion review. Rather than deletion, comments from unbiased editors is desired. Libertycookies 19:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
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Barney Frank – Inactive. – 00:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Barney FrankThe article on Congressman Barney Frank was recently edited by User:TDC to reword the discussion of Frank's gay relationship with Steven Gobie. TDC's version raises BLP concerns. For example, it states, "After learning that Gobie was running a prostitution ring out of his apartment, Frank fired Gobie ...." The official finding of the House Ethics Committee was that Frank had no knowledge of any illegal activities. I've put this to a Request for Comment here, but TDC is unwilling to allow the longstanding version to remain in place while the RfC goes forward. I've already reverted it three times today, so I post it here to see if others agree with me that there are BLP concerns (aside from TDC's POV-warring in quoting a tabloidish personal ad, etc.). The last good version is this one. JamesMLane t c 00:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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Debbie Schlussel – Inactive. – 17:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Barbie Cummings – Article deleted. – 17:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Barbie CummingsShort, unreferenced negative/controversial biography. Possibly NN as well. Originally tagged for speedy deletion as db-attack, but speedy was declined. Videmus Omnia 15:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
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Gay-for-pay – Resolved. – 00:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Gay-for-payIs it a BLP problem to have this image illustrating the Gay-for-pay article? – Quadell (talk) (random) 00:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
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David Birney – Resolved. – 17:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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David BirneyIt looks very much to me like David Birney or one of his PR people simply posted his entire resume on his Wiki page. I don't have experience on how to handle a situation like this, so I wanted to pass it along for a second assessment and/or action. Otto1970 17:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
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Michael Mullen (murderer) – Article deleted. – 00:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Michael Mullen (murderer)Could someone please check for a one-to-one match between the WP article and the reference article? Shalom Hello 19:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC) |
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State terrorism by the United States – Resolved. – 17:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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State terrorism by the United States (General Jovito Palparan)Tom Harrison Talk 20:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC) - Accusations of murder and gross human rights abuses in a selective and slanted presentation against General Jovito Palparan, based on inadequete and contradictory sources. |
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Jimmy Gulzar – Resolved; redirected. – 00:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Jimmy Gulzar Resolved. Redirected to Melanie Brown per WP:AFD
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Shaun Wilson – Inactive. – 00:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Shaun WilsonThis is a résumé. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.50.157 (talk • contribs) |
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Johnny Lee Clary – Resolved. – 00:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Johnny Lee ClaryI will not repeat the WP:BLP violation here but please look at the history for the article. The article already had a bunch of non-notable opinion (soap-boxing) but I only found that article after someone inserted speculation in the Chris Benoit article and I removed it. I then looked into Clary and found that the same sort of material was there so I removed it. The poster asked about it on my talk page and I clarified. The material appeared again and I removed it again. I am going on vacation and I will not be watching the page so I am looking for some more eyes over there and also if someone is interested in cleaning out the non-RS that is still there. Maybe the article should be stubbed and rewritten or taken back to just the well-sourced material. Thanks. --Justanother 12:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Talk:Richard Gere – Resolved. – 17:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Talk:Richard GereUser:WacoJacko is persistently reverting discussions on the talk page Talk:Richard Gere based on the notion that we are protecting Gere from the real truth about gerbils and censoring Wikipedia by archiving. I have warned him and quoted BLP on the topic, but the truth is, it was time to archive that talk page anyway. For him, it's a matter of WP:POINT, I think: see User_talk:WacoJacko. -Jmh123 09:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
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David Pogue – Inactive. – 00:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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++ungood is now basically just attacking me and questioning my motivations. So I feel no need to further the dicussion, as I think it is pointless. Perhaps a new voice would help. --C S (Talk) 10:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Glen Stoll – Article deleted. – 00:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Fred Thompson – Content dispute. – 17:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Fred ThompsonCited material is being removed/changed by Eseymour.[11] Is quoting a word a copyright violation? If not, someone needs to review his editors changes and edit summary.[12] This user thinks he owns this article. I am posting his from a recommendation at the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plantocal (talk • contribs)
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Jonathan Wells (intelligent design advocate) – Resolved. – 00:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Jonathan WellsSome editers continually change content in the article to what is unsupported by the references and actually in complete contrast to the references. What is more is that they continually cite POV and undue weight as their reasons when it is their POV and undue weight that is an issue. The specific instances here is that Wells opposes evolution and rejects evolution when the references refer to Darwinism or Darwinian evolution and Wells' own words says he rejects the theory of evolution. The article also contains other poorly sourced content or sources open to interpretation. It seems pretty clear that a group of editors are trying to subvert policy to keep their POV in the article to discredit this scientist but two or three editors in particular seem very persistent to discredit him. One have even suggested him to not be a scientist and another has just made a threat referring to 3RR which is unwarranted as I have only made two reverts in this instance. What should I do, should I just keep on reverting the changes or should further action be taken against these users who continue to disregard policy. -196.207.32.38 13:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
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Scott Crow – Resolved. – 17:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Defamation / Libel by written or printed words. Resolved. Kudos to DGG. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 13:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Please Remove Posting that declares that I am a Anarchist Organizer. Scott Crow This is defamation and misrepresenting damagingly. Thi information is incorrect. the sentence has been edited, now saying just that you are a community organizer.DGG (talk) 23:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Cat Stevens' comments about Salman Rushdie – Merged – 02:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Cat Stevens' comments about Salman RushdieApparent POV fork from the main article. In my opinion, excessive emphasis. DGG (talk) 23:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
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Deep Ng – Resolved. – 17:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Deep NgThe profile page keeps being vandalised and reverting back to deflamatory text regarding the singer. Is it possible to stop anyone else editing till this problem is resolved?--Chaosbladeuk 22:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)chaosbladeuk |
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Lyndon LaRouche – Content dispute. – 00:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Lyndon LaRoucheDespite repeated requests and warnings, two editors (User:MaplePorter and User:NathanDW) continue to create fictitious cites to create the false impression that an entry in the Encyclopedia Judaica is really planted there by an anti-LaRouche author (in this case, me in my non-Wiki persona). These actions have repeatedly misrepresented the content and the authorship of the cited material. See: diff; diff; diff; diff. Cberlet 02:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC) Now another editor, User: Don't lose that number is totally misrepresenting an actual quote from Robert L. Bartley, writing in The Wall Street Journal. Bartley terms the LaRouchite "Children of Satan" title "overt anti-Semitism," yet according to User: Don't lose that number, "Most of this stuff is clearly 'coded' -- it's definately not the real thing." Then User: Don't lose that number moves the material under a subheading "Allegations of coded antisemitic discourse." Especially on a BLP page, attempts to minimize, dismiss, or hide published allegations of antisemitism or any form of bigotry raise serious issues for a serious encyclopedia. See: diff.--Cberlet 13:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
BLP/N cannot assist editors with content disputes. If you cannot find common ground, please pursue WP:DR. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Lindsay Ashford – Resolved. – 00:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Jonathan King – Resolved. – 00:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Jonathan KingPurples 00:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC) - hello. Would love a few extra pairs of eyes on this one - to avoid the possibility of a slow burning edit war, and also to analyse the article from the point of view of the living people angle. I won't poisen the well, but the problems lie in the balance between JK's colorful career (and some rather enthusiastic claims), and his convictions for sexual offenses - thanks. |
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Zelma Mullins Pattillo – Deleted after AfD – 02:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Possibly autobiography or family-written and edited. Note that it is a poorly-written-poorlysourced orphan. Cross-posted on WP:COIN. Bearian 01:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC) Fixed typo, oops. -- Bearian 01:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
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Alan Johnston – Inactive. – 00:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Alan JohnstonThis user repeatedly blanks valid, sourced, uncontroversial biographical information from Alan Johnston on the grounds that it is "unnecessary info for someone who wants obscurity" and thus "is not acceptable". I'm sorry, but this is an award-winning notable journalist. The information is fully sourced and available all over the web, so how is it unnecessary? He's using WP:BLP to justify this removal. However, this is censorship of valid information in my view. There has been no discussion whatsoever. After I approached him on his talk page after the first removal (linked above "blanks") to discuss it here or on the talk page he refused and made the second change (liked above "repeatedly"). – Chacor 01:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Michael Travesser – Article deleted. – 00:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Jonathan Antin – Resolved. – 00:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Grover Norquist – Inactive. – 00:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Grover NorquistAfter I cleaned up this biography to make it more of an encyclopedia article and less of a political attack page, my edits were summarily reverted with a terse explanation. Some of the material restored consisted of WP:BLP violations of the most serious sort: unreferenced, inadequately referenced, or original research controversial information. Since material of this nature can be removed without regard to the 3RR, or general prohibitions against edit warring, I have repeated the removal of the most seriously problematic material, and issued an appropriate warning to the editor restoring it. The remainder of the content restored is also problematic insofar as its sheer volume in proportion to the remainder of the biography violates WP:NPOV and WP:BLP by placing undue weight on the negative aspects of Grover Norquist, insofar as it is written to disparage the subject of the article rather than from a neutral point of view, and insofar as some of the material repeats blatant, gratuitous personal attacks. However, since I believe that it is inadvisable for me to repeat the removal of this latter material at this time, I am requesting additional input relating to this issue. John254 02:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I have attempted to describe some of the remaining WP:BLP problems with this article on the talk page. John254 12:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I hope you guys don't mind an outside opinion here on this little dispute. From my investigation, it seems that the whole thing started when Cunctator (as User At Work), reverted John254's removal of material which cited BLP violations, with the edit summary "revert whitewash". This was simply a gross mistake. Ones does not simply restore a swath of BLP violating content with that kind of edit summary. Now, User At Work followed up those edits by removing some significant portions, citing poor sourcing as a concern. But this only reaffirms that chunks of the removed material were indeed BLP violating. If some of this material is not in fact BLP violating, Cunctator should have just restored those bit, or even better, discussed with John254 on the talkpage why he removed these other (possibly) more appropriate bits. For example, it seems evident to me that the (now removed) "personality" section is rather weak and defamatory. Now given Cunctator's style of editing, he may have been intending to remove that at a later point. But as I said before, that's not a very good style, as it only causes confusion to other editors. I do think John254 has overreacted here, but I can see partially at least why. I don't know why Cunctator chooses to use a sockpuppet account, but I don't think using two accounts like this is wise, since it can inadvertently lead to these kinds of situations. I think John254's edit summaries were worded rather strongly, and I think using warning templates on user talk pages of established users can often be seen as rather aggressive. A more personal message, I think, would have been much better. --C S (Talk) 13:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC) Let's forget about the sockpuppetry for a minuteGetting back to the article content, the restored edit was entirely negative. The fact that another politician referred to Norquist as "Grosser Nosetwist", or that he is listed in the book 101 People Who Are Really Screwing America may be properly cited, but there is literally nothing positive in this article, not even praise from his fellow conservatives, which I assume must exist somewhere. Thatcher131 15:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
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Jindřich Feld – Resolved. – 00:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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I am in correspondence with User:Denis63 who claims to have been a friend of the composer, who, he (?) claims additionally (I can and should I think invite him? here)- died two days ago... (see both [25] and [26] which is not reflected anywhere I can find (including JStor sources) so far..., but then much isn't reflected on the web. (And I have to try again with some other sources I think I have access to- I may have, as a staffperson, access to newspapers etc. not checked by Yahoo. But he is or was a major Czech composer.) Have suggested as a compromise that instead of removing entirely his contributions, I leave them in with {{fact}} (but on reflection since this requires removal from the Living people category and protections therein, that may be a bit much.) Suggestions? Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Al Gore III and Noelle Bush – AfD closed as no consensus. – 17:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Al Gore III and Noelle BushI have nominated both Al Gore III and Noelle Bush to be redirected to their more prominent relatives due to issues related to BLP policy. If anyone here would like to weigh in, pro or con, please do so: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Al_Gore_III_and_Noelle_Bush. Kaldari 17:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Stone Phillips – Just BJAODN. – 07:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Stone PhillipsSomeone posted the following addition, without reference: [unsourced material removed -- Jonel (Speak to me)] I highly doubt that this addition is valid, and I removed it. Obviously I could be wrong.... Twohlford 01:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
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Brian Souter – Resolved. – 17:45, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Greg Felton – Article deleted. – 17:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Greg FeltonThis article was first raised on Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests#Greg Felton by Voxveritatis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) who says that the article is about him and it has been vandalised with untruths and liabelous comments. Mr Felton has a controversial approach to Zionism and the State of Israel. Can somebody please take a look, when I saw the article and googled him my immediate thought was just to Afd it, but theres probably more to this article than meets the eye. Mike33 18:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Nessan Quinlivan – Resolved. – 17:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Nessan Quinlivan Resolved. stub and source by Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs)
Completely unsourced article about an IRA member and two-times escapee from British prisons (The Maze, 1983, Brixton, 1991). There does seem to be quite a bit of material on this fellow around, particularly following the 1991 escape, but I'm unlikely to be able to work on this to bring it up to standard over the next few days. Any volunteers? I'll dump some likely sources on the talk page. --Tony Sidaway 19:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
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Clarence Vaughn – Resolved. – 17:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Clarence Vaughn- A borderline case in which we have a content dispute whether to include information about his criminal past, sourced from a government website, even though there are no secondary sources reporting on the situation. More feedback would be quite welcome. ( |
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Andy Samberg – Resolved. – 17:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Andy SambergI have some concerns about the detailed (ie birth dates) info about other family members that has been inserted here a few times. I've reverted 3 times today, and I think another opinion may be in order. Kevin 00:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Sylvia Browne – Resolved. – 02:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC) |
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After the deletion an editor has restored the material on the basis that I have edited the article before and therefore my action could not accepted as a BLP intervention. I would appreciate if other BLP watchers can comment. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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Lindley DeVecchio – Stubbed; inactive. – 02:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC) |
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There seems to be some blatant plagarism of newspaper articles here, as well as some unsourced opinions which are extremely critical of the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.124.139 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
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Al Gore III – Inactive, edit warring seems to have died down. – 02:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Mean Red Spiders – Resolved. – 02:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Mean Red SpidersCan some take a look at this info that I've reverted on Mean Red Spiders. Its uncited, I've been unable to verify it, and it seems to me to be damaging to the subject. Thanks. Ceoil 22:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
More: [29] This is a single purpose ip that seems to be static. The info it's adding appears to be malicious. I've checked all sources provide, and then some, and none hint at what it's trying to re-insert. There has been no effort at article talk and no engagement with notes left on its own talk. And no developement of the unvariable info it is continually restoring. Is it possible to determine if the ip is static or dynamic, and implement whichever block is appropriate. Thanks for staying with this. Ceoil 23:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
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Duke Kimbrough McCall – Inactive. – 02:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC) |
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The same editor as the one noted directly above in the Zelma Mullins Pattillo BLPN matter, Pattillo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log), has created a similarly written article at -- Bearian 01:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Dawn Butler – Resolved. – 02:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Dawn ButlerDawn Butler's entry is repeatedly having a statement that she does not live in her constituency and claims a parliamentary allowance for a second home there. Both these statements are false, and I think that the second could be construed as defamatory. Sarah Teather's entry contains a related staement that she is the only Brent MP not to claim a second home allowance. As there are three Brent MPs, and two do not claim such an allowance, this is false. Brentcentral 10:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the theyworkforyou.com info refers to a previous year. The use of the present tense is therefore incorrect. Brentcentral 10:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Burt Reynolds – Resolved. – 02:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Burt ReynoldsUser:Rogue Gremlin is repeatedly adding unsourced claims as to what Burt Reynolds has said about his birthplace in interviews on television shows. He is now arguing here that if he cannot include those claims, then all citations from Reynold's autobiography should be removed. He also states here that a published book that is not accessible on-line should not be used as a source. I am losing my patience with him and need other eyes to watch this. -- Donald Albury 20:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Rogue Gremlin is now repeatedly deleting cited sources from the Burt Reynolds article. I shouldn't revert him anymore today. Could someone please take another look at this? -- Donald Albury 01:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
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Perez Hilton – Resolved. – 04:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Perez HiltonWould like to get some opinions on whether or not it is legitimate to reference Perez Hilton's blog, PerezHilton.com, as a source for gossip he publishes about celebrities. I say BLP and WP:V are very clear about using blogs as sources about third parties.
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Michael Lucas (porn star) – Inactive. – 14:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Michael Lucas (porn star)It appears that Lucas uses an anon IP (216.57.17.234) and, until "outed," (see the Talk page) the username User:Lucasent (Lucas Entertaiment), to edit his own Wikipedia page. He usually stays within the boundaries, but has apparently recently recruited some of his fans to make sure external links to his blog, myspace, and Lucas Entertainment are included, as well as a passage about an "unauthorized" biography. (216.57.17.234 claimed in an edit comment that Lucas "can't stand the book," but he and several new anons keep adding the external links and reference to the book back in whenever they are removed.) Another editor has made a good case on the Talk page [33], I think, for not including these links and mention of the biography. Reversions have been going back and forth on this for days. Each contested edit could go either way, as to whether it should legitimately be included or not, but I'm bringing this up now because Lucas may be recruiting others to make sure the entry is written the way he wants it to be written. It's an unusual BLP issue in that the individual is apparently requesting potentially harmful material about himself be included (as well as promotional links)--is it a case of "please don't throw me into the briar patch"? It is my personal opinion based on a long controversy over an entry on one of his new "stars" (now deleted via 2nd AfD and no longer working for Lucas) that Lucas has been around Wikipedia a long time, knows how to work the system, and knows the benefits of Wikipedia for self-promotion and promotion of his company. See Lucas Entertainment (now merged). Any perspective, advice, recommendations, comment? Thanks. -Jmh123 20:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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Amir Taheri – Semi-protected until 5 September. – 14:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Amir Taheri→ See also: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive13
A comparison of recent edits with the previous March/April discussion in BLP/N Archive 13 shows that the same users (with minor variations in the 75.* IP range) are still trying to turn this biography into an attack piece. They also typically remove publishers and ISBNs from the bibliography. — Athaenara ✉ 05:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Users Nyisnotbad (talk · contribs) and Unclezeb (talk · contribs) have both reverted to the no-ISBNs, more-POV version. Both seem to be WP:SPAs. I've given both a {{blp2-n}} warning. CWC 08:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Block Requested. Nyisnotbad (talk · contribs) has reverted twice (!) after my warning. This may well be a WP:SPA. Could an admin please administer an appropriate block? Thanks, CWC 11:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC) Full protection expired after two weeks, the vandal (68.5.250.146 (talk · contribs)) is back. Ankimai 23:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Les Visible – Inactive. – 14:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC) |
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