Talk:Umberto II of Italy
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[edit] "Most Commonly used name in English" is not the same thing as "anglicization"
Okay, I've moved the page here. While both names are sometimes used, I've seen Umberto II considerably more frequently than "Humbert II". Argue if you will. john k 22:27, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Oh yes I will. Testing Google, it's clear that "Humbert II of Italy" is more common than "Umberto II of Italy", with 1500 against 904, or almost double. I suggest moving back to Humbert II. --Orzetto 06:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
But "Umberto II" is much more common than "Hubert II". At any rate, google tests don't tell the whole story. Since you seem to be Italian and are quoting google results as though they are god, I would guess that you probably don't read too much historical literature in English. Perhaps it would be best in such instances to defer to those of us who speak English as a native language and actually read books in English that contain these monarchs' names relatively frequently? john k 14:44, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
- You post no source. Your argumentation is void, at best it classifies original research. Since Victor Emmanuel's are translated, consistency in style is a better option. Google searches are an acceptable measure when the gap is wider than a few percents. --Orzetto 23:16, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Airport peerages
I seem to remember a reference to Umberto creating a number of peerages improperly 'on the way to the airport' after the results of the referendum had come in but while he was still king. I cannot source it though, except that it was in the memoirs of a journalist/parliamentarian. m.e. 09:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hitler, royal wedding
Only in one case, while he was in Germany for a royal wedding, did [Umberto] make an exception, Hitler asked for a meeting.
- Besides this being a run-on sentence, couldn't we give actual details here? Whose royal wedding, and, more importantly, when was this? john k 13:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What rubbish!
"Umberto and Maria José separated in exile; it was indeed an arranged marriage, following a long tradition of royal families, even if some observers alleged that she was really fascinated by her husband, an elegant tombeur de femmes. However, Umberto's sexual interests lay elsewhere, he was a playboy of 'peculiar tastes' (in the words of one royal website) or had an 'inability to distinguish between the sexes' (as another royal biographer put it - a reference to the former king's rumored bisexuality). This knowledge was used by foreign governments hostile to the Savoyard monarchy's survival to ensure the Vatican's opposition to the monarchical cause in the 1946 referendum. Pope Pius XII atoned for this 'failure' by refusing to meet the elected presidents of Italy during his lifetime. Pope John XXIII reversed this policy on his election."
All this is very vulgar; but this is only an example, I'm afraid.
And there are also many ridiculous falsities: for instance, Pius XII did receive the Italian presidents (a photograph of president Gronchi kneeling to receive his blessing was much discussed in the fifties).
Not serious! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.2.155.156 (talk) 01:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I can confirm there is rubbish abpit the last king of Italy. Now I will delete the false statment that the pope refused to see the first president of italian repubblic. See [1] User:Lucifero4
[edit] Commenting on English lanuage usage
The incosistancies of how English uses foreign language names, is a wonderment. We use the English Victor Emmanuel, yet the Italian Umberto. Similiar cases - Baudouin of Belgium (instead of Baldwin) and Juan Carlos I of Spain (instead of John Charles I). -- GoodDay (talk) 20:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
