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Contents 1 WP:WINE newsletter 2 Megalodon 3 WP:WINE newsletter 4 Belated credit 5 WP:WINE newsletter 6 Bot activity 7 Shiraz count 8 Megalodon 9 Sharks ;) 10 SUL 11 Sure thing 12 Edit to your monobook.js 13 Cork taints 14 a few problems 15 ATEX directive 16 WP:ROLL

[edit] WP:WINE newsletter

The Wine Project Newsletter! Issue IX - January 7th, 2008

In this edition: News & Notes - Portal:Wine up for Featured Portal status, WANTED-GA Coordinator/liaison and wine region maps, and can you guess which wine-related article was viewed over 85,000 times in December? Wiki-Winos - Amatulić and his joke that may make you think twice about accepting an unknown glass of wine from a stranger Wine articles on the Web - Did the Shiraz grape originate in Iran? Where did the Ah-so bottle opener get its name? What is up with that petroleum smell in some Riesling wines? And what the heck is Domaine de la Romanée-Conti doing planting Pinot noir fin? These are the questions that people out on the web are asking. Find out what answers they get when they turn to our Wikipedia wine articles.

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[edit] Megalodon

Hello Stefan!

I have dedicated my considerable time to massively improve the "Megalodon article" with latest and reliable information and I have recently noticed that some people who are not members of the wikipedia have tried to vandalise this article and the "registered members" have to use the "undo" command to prevent this. So if possible, kindly place some "editing restrictions" on this article, according to which only the "registered members" of the Wikipedia are allowed to edit this article and those who are not members of the wiki community are prevented from editing it. This article has been nominated for GA Class and I want this process to go smoothly and without any problems.

--LeGenD 12:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

If the above possible suggestion is not possible than you can provide me some other suggestions to control vandalism. Please keep in mind that I am not against editing of this article and any person is welcome to make useful contributions in this article because I do believe in Wiki's Nuetral policy but I do not appreciate acts of vandalism. You can reply in my "talk page."

--LeGenD 09:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello again! Thanks for appreciating my work!

The serious signs of Vandalism are visible in the revision history of the main article. Take a look at this page: [[1]] and you will see a guy whose IP address is 86.148.53.199 and this guy tried to remove lots of data from the main article and posted bad information in return. You can notice the reduction in the size of the article when this guy edited. Though a "registered wiki member" reverted the main article to its original state and this is for the second time that a "registered wiki member" had to revert this article in its original state to stop Vandalism. So I think that this article deserves some serious attention in case of protection against Vandalism. Anyways! Thanks for providing me some useful suggestions. So do you now think that this article should be at-least semi-protected?

--LeGenD 11:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that you are under-estimating the level of Vandalism that is taking place in the main article in recent days. Re-check the history page again and you will notice a revert for the 3rd time and this happened a short time ago. Also you misjudged my intentions regarding editing policy of Wikipedia. I am never against editing of any article including this one and people are always welcomed to make useful contributions. But Vandalism is not something that should be taken lightly because it damages the integrity of the article. Anyways! I am not requesting you to assist me in this regard but only notified you, so that you might want to keep this article under check (if interested) and thanks for your suggestions.

Also, do you think that the article currently meets GA criteria?

--LeGenD 03:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:WINE newsletter

The Wine Project Newsletter! Issue X - January 31st, 2008

In this edition: News & Notes - Portal:Wine is a now a Featured Portal! National WINE PRIDE will be on the line as we see which wine country articles got the most page views in the month of Jan-and you maybe surprised at which countries beat out the US & California. The Judgement of Paris it's not. Wiki-Winos - VanTucky Meet our new GA liaison and find out what in the world is he doing with those sheep? Wiki wine articles on the Web - A Graciano, Monastrell and Mourvedre grape walk into a bar and meet Carole Meredith....find out how an expert proved a Wikipedia article wrong. Also, our Sparkling wine production article braves new frontiers in the annals of rock band naming games. Plus, find out how our Friuli-Venezia Giulia wine article helped out Wine blogging Wednesday, what makes red wine red and whether riserva Brunello is better than standard Brunello.

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[edit] Belated credit

In case you are interested in such things, you now appear on WP:WBFAN. Yomangani^talk 10:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:WINE newsletter

The Wine Project Newsletter! Issue XI - February 21st, 2008

In this edition: News & Notes - Every American Viticultural Area now has an article! Keeping up with the B class wine articles and find out which start class article of top importance was viewed almost 43,000 times between Dec-Jan. Plus, find out which wine related Did you knows helped to dispel the myths around the Shiraz grape's origins and which Bordeaux wine chateau was a last minute addition to the Bordeaux Wine Official Classification of 1855-not without some controversy. Also, what wine articles have the most potential to reach Good article status? Wiki-Winos - Meet User:EvanProdromou! Evan who? Well let just say that another "wiki-wino" has come out the closet to say Hi and share what his project Vinismo can do to help Wikipedia's wine articles. Wiki wine articles on the Web - Guess which prominent wine personality thinks that Wikipedia is one of the best wine resources on the web? Also find out who thinks our Mission grape article is lacking and how our Plavac Mali article cleared up some confusion about the grape's relationship to Zinfandel. Plus, was Mick Jagger really singing about Sommeliers in the Stone's song Beast of Burden?

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[edit] Bot activity

I was going over the list of bots and noticed that StefanBot (talk · contribs) has not edited in a very long time. Is this bot still active and if not, would you object to it being de-flagged? Please post your comments to Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval#Dead_bots since this is a rather widely-posted message. MBisanz ^talk 02:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shiraz count

Hello, this is how I did my count of Syrah wines at Systembolaget:

• Type in a search for "Syrah" on the front page.
• Inspect the 230 hits manually, so my count may be +/- a few wines.

This search, while a little clumsy, includes both regular products and special order products. You probably went for a detailed search by country. Then don't remember that you have to go another form for special order products, per country. My intention was originally to see "from what countries are there Syrah wines at all". I found more Syrah-labelled New World wines than I had thought, so that's why I counted them. Tomas e (talk) 18:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Megalodon

I've done a quick bit of copy-editing on it, but mostly I've just reworded what was there, when it could actually do with some rearrangement. I don't think it is FA material yet - it lacks precision and is overcited in places. The pop culture list wouldn't survive FAC either. Yomangani^talk 23:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Just thought I'd give you my opinion - and I see I obviously wasn't concentrating when I copy-edited! Yomangani^talk 00:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sharks ;)

Hi Stefan

you don't know me, but I'm need help with something i think you'll love. i recently made a Shark wikia, (granted it's very small and I'm not good with some of the templates, and of making thousands of articles) but I'm hoping you will be interested in this, an entire Wikia dedicated to sharks. you can do what you want to the wikia, make new articles i made a updated list of the List of sharks, not much introduction, but big list of sharks. the address is [2] feel free to come and conquer, you can even use the project here to add more details to the sharks. anyway i'll be up and if your interested, visit and write me thanks --LeafGreen Ranger (talk) 21:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

well you can input more information and make templates just for sharks, and add as much data as you can with the articles you have about sharks here, the site is brand new and doesn't have much info yet, because worried about copying and also about find information, i'm in high school near the end of school so i can't do much i can however promote you and your team to editor status if you decide to join, you add more info about sharks then wikipedia can offer and include every single species with details--LeafGreen Ranger (talk) 07:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SUL

Hey Stefan! Concerning Unified login, I would like to ask if you would be so kind to rename your account? That would allow me to add it to the global one. I guess you’ll hesitate, but nevertheless I did not want to miss my chance to ask you. Thank you. Best wishes, Stefan on German Wikipedia (and almost all other wikimedia wikis) --84.174.28.214 (talk) 20:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers and sorry for being late answering you.

Well, right, I used the account st-fl for some years. But later, it was unhandy to me, so I decided to rename my account – I even thought about different account names, but Stefan really seemed obvious to be, because of the beautiful first name we share ;-) So I took a look at Stefan’s log and contributions. He had no valid edits and no mail adress given in the profile. That made me happy and I asked Raymond to rename my account and usurp Stefan. I did not think about SUL in that moment, because it has been announced too many times before, so I did not know that this time it really came.

Furthermore, it is not my fault when the SUL devepolers decide to give sysops the possibility to globalize their account first. Go and complain there. I cannot evaluate your solutions at the moment, because as far as I know, there is not official policy How to treat name conflicts yet. So, my suggestion is first to wait and then to “fight”, as you call it. As you may imagine, I do not want to “give up” the global account. Oh my God, that really sounds like war or something :-( --Stefan »Στέφανος« ‽ // 84.174.39.58 (talk) 12:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is what I state. --Stefan »Στέφανος« ‽ // --84.174.40.132 (talk) 20:51, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Let me add that you wouldn't have had the chance to get the global account Stefan even if you had been the first to try to create one. To the software, it doesn't matter how long you've been contributing, and it doesn't even matter how many contributions you have if there is a local account with sysop privileges. And since the only account with sysop privileges is Stefan@dewiki, dewiki is the homewiki of Stefan. And that's why the global account belongs to St-fl. —Pill (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes I think I know that now although it have not be very clearly described anywhere. Pill, do you know the story, see de:Benutzer Diskussion:Stefan. I have a 5 year old account, 1 week before SUL is turned on for sysops ST-fl renames his account to Stefan and then gets the global account. I am a bit sad about that and am trying to convince St-fl to undo the rename (and he is trying to make me give up my username). As a bureaucrat do you have any idea on if there will ever be a forced renames of accounts for cases like ours? --Stefan ^talk 01:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Stefan, St-fl acted perfectly in accordance with the rules, he didn't do anything prohibited. He pointed out that he didn't request the rename with the intention to overtake your username, and, because we have no way to prove whether that's right or wrong, you can't accuse him of having done exactly that. The fact that accounts with sysop privileges are preferred over accounts with no special rights, is not his fault either. While I fully understand your anger and sadness about that, it is extremely unethical of you to urge him to give up his global account—you just have no right to do so. You may complain about that to the developers who set the rules by programming the software accordingly, but it is not St-fl's responsibility to solve your problem. Regarding your question, I am quite sure that you will also be affected of the second stage, i. e. that you will also get renamed. It would be contrary to the aims of CentralAuth to allow both local and global accounts in the long term, so I think forced rename is just a matter of time. But of course I don't know that for sure, so you may want to contact one of the developers involved. —Pill (talk) 11:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Why is it unethical to ask or urge him? Is that not what I am expected to do? I can not ask for anyone else to do anything unless I have tried to solve my issue with the user. I MUST discuss with him before I can do anything. I agree with you that he have followed all the rules, he have stated that he did not think about SUL when he renamed his account, but since I knew that SUL was just about to happen just before he renamed I assumed that he did that also and accused him in my first post, I have apologized for that and said sorry. I just think the rules are not correct and I would like him to agree that there was a loophole in the rules which he used by luck and that he can be nice and change his username back and make things according to the intent of the SUL rules. If he does not want to do that it is acceptable, but that I will try to change the rules or get an exception, but no one will listen to me if I have not tried to discuss user to user first, don't you agree? If you think I'm acting the wrong way please advice me on how you think I should proceed instead, if I want to keep the user that I have had for 5 years, that according to all intents that I have read about SUL I should get the global account for. --Stefan ^talk 11:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree with you but your "proposition" on his talk page (see here, quote "As things are I consider you to having stumbled on a loophole in the 'rules' [...] I will keep the en account, you get the global account, but if at any point a forced account renaming is started you will give up the global account name to me. Please write a answer to that question where you promise me to give up the global account before or when I'm forced to give up my en account or state that you will not do that and I will start checking if there is any chance to get your account rename reversed.") didn't sound very friendly to my ears as you make it sound as if he had any responsibility to give the global account to you. I may have misinterpreted your comment, and apologize if I did. —Pill (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, maybe it is not worded as friendly as it could be, it is just that I find it wrong for me to try to get higher involvement without having tried all possible solution inbetween us users, I made a posposal where I give something up and so would he, I think that is resonable solution and it is as far as I will go for now, until he or someone else can come up with a different solution that I can accept. But I must have a final say from him, his response so far is 'lets wait'. For me I think that will result in wait until it is to late, so yes I'm trying to 'force' the issue, I'm trying to make him make up his mind and state his position now. It is not to be considered as a threat, just stating my position and I just want information, I do not want to do as he did and ask for my account without talking to me, I want to be open, clear and frank, but that often make me sound agressive or unfriendly I know, but it was not my intent, and I apologize for that. --Stefan ^talk 00:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sure thing

...happy editing! Kukini ^{háblame aquí} 03:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit to your monobook.js

Just to note that I blanked your monobook.js in response to this request. Happy‑melon 09:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cork taints

Hello, when it comes to your recent edits of Alternative wine closures, I must say that I have never before encountered a claim above 10%, with rates from statistically significant samples (rather than peoples' estimates from memory) being something like 2-5%. "Anecdotal evidence from wine professionals suggests that the rate may be substantially higher" without a reference does in my opinion not fulfil WP:RS requirements. It seems that the cork industry and the alternative closure industry quite frequently "plant" various numbers that work in their favour, so I think we need to be very strict with sourcing on this subject. Also, since I'm not a Wine Spectator subscriber, could you confirm that the 7% figure refers specifically to cork taint rather than wine faults in general? Tomas e (talk) 14:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining your source! I have Alternative wine closures - which has shown to be prone to commercial linkspam - but not Cork taint on my watchlist, so I must admit not having checked the latter article that closely. I'll have to the bottom of that article some time. It seems that Jamie Goode commonly quotes rates of 4-5%. Tomas e (talk) 18:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] a few problems

when i was doing the list of shark species on my shark wiki, i did more research and found most have problems,

1. Most have no common names
2. A Few have the exact same common name, example Blotched catshark, is both Asymbolus funebris & Scyliorhinus meadi and different sites say this is correct
3. Also most lists i found have different genus, with the same shark, like a mix up,
4. and The finale most of the lists i look show sharks that i can't find anyway, like they're made up

here are the sites i like to use, you can visit my site to see the list but here is the sources i have been using (i've been using others to, but not as much)

• [3]
• [4]

this will come in handy for your list here, but the help users and people know more about sharks, good luck (i have been doing a lot of work on the list i didn't do much on the pages for the sharks so if your still interested, you can come and invited more people to come, i'll make sure i make you a editor, plus i won't do the pages because i'm busy with the list and also i don't like to copy and paste) --LeafGreen Ranger (talk) 14:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ATEX directive

Whatever you decide is fine with me. The article looks better everytime I look at it. I see you even have an image on there now. Sorry. This is the first time I've nominated an article and I thought I could close it. --Npnunda (talk) 02:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:ROLL

No problems, all is well now anyway, an ANI report would only hurt the encyclopedia, everyone was acting in good faith so no worries. Thanks for helping sort things out. :) Aujourd'hui, maman est morte (talk) 02:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

We were not seeing eye to eye. Buzz was showing up on an astronaut page under catagory: People currently in space. Rollback was wrong I know that now but good faith prevails. Thank you for your concern though. --Npnunda (talk) 02:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem, good that all is fine. I just did not want a ANI case that I though could be settled by just a apology, now it did so I'm happy, now go back editing!! :-) --Stefan ^talk 02:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)