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Added some info on Hinckley's motivation for the assassination attempt, ie his obsession with Jodie Foster and the movie Taxi Driver. My rain face 21:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I think many viewers would like links to video-sources of the event to really see the kaos that erupted and the speed Reagan was rushed away with. 10:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Zarkow

In which part of the body was Reagan hit by the bullet: the stomach or the chest and was it on the left or the right side? (User:isbellmichael)

Contents 1 Discharge? 2 The inevitable conspiracy theory 3 Himmler connection 4 Slight difference 5 Haig's quote 6 "Unedited" 7 GA failed 8 Vice-president 9 GA on hold 10 GA passed 11 Removed Link 12 Category:Assassinations 13 Nuclear War 14 Why Me? 15 Reagan diary excerpt reflecting on day 16 "He recovered quickly?" 17 Gunshots in hospital 18 GA Sweeps Review: Pass 19 Pierre Trudeau 20 Exploding bullets 21 George Bush assures the nation

[edit] Discharge?

When did he recover and act as the POTUS again in the hospital?

When did he walk out the hospital? -- Toytoy 04:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems as good a place as any to ask this: There is a quote in the article that "Reagan wiped the blood from his face, exited the limousine and walked unassisted into the emergency room..." I found it difficult to believe that a 70 year-old man who had just been shot and was coughing up blood would be allowed to walk unassisted, so I went looking for a source. The cited article does not report that chain of events. The only source I found that sounded similar at all was from Michael Deaver's book. Considering Deaver had an interest in and has shown a propensity to mythologize Reagan, is this reliable enough? It looks like Reagan myth building, and it annoys me. I'm probably biased, but does anyone else think this is overly dramatic and probably inaccurate? Wuicker (talk) 07:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If the cited sources don't support the claim, the claim should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.60.120 (talk) 13:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The inevitable conspiracy theory

I added it in under the section about Al Haig, since it seemed to follow on in natural sequence. (So far, no one has pointed out the umbrella visible in the photo, but that can only be a matter of time ... :¬) Garrick92 14:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

This should be removed as it links to a home made website as its citation...not exactly reliable Macutty 18:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Based on verifiability most of the conspiracy section should be removed. geocity website don;t meet wiki standards, nor due a couple home made websites that seem to re-publish the same info. If no one responds over the next few weeks I'll make the edits. Macutty 22:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Himmler connection

Hinckley is also the grand-nephew of former Gestapo head Heinrich Himmler, and is thought to have been used as a pawn by a network of ex-Nazis seeking revenge on Reagan for his WWII espionage.

I removed this sentence, feeling that such a bold statement needs to be verified to warrant inclusion. Nufy8 00:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The reference provided by the anon redirects to the History Channel's Web site and, more specifically, to its video gallery. I searched for audio and video related to Hinckley, Himmler, and the Reagan assassination attempt, and found nothing that spoke of a connection between the Gestapo head and this would-be assassin. If there's something I'm missing, please point it out. I'm reverting the addition for now. Nufy8 03:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slight difference

The bullet that hit Reagan is variously said to have ricochet-ed off the bullet-proof glass

in the car window and off the painted metal side of the car. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.139.113.156 (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Three seconds are mentioned but the true figure seems to be more like two seconds.

[edit] Haig's quote

Haig's quote "I'm in charge here" is incomplete. He said we was in control 'pending the returns of the Vice President, keeping in contact with the VP & pointing out the VP was executively in charge'. GoodDay 20:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Haig actually was correct. Everyone always focuses on the line of full sucession, but that was NOT the issue- if Reagan had died, Bush would have taken over, no one is questioning that. But Reagan had NOT died, and Bush was away in Texas. The crisis was in the executive branch, and Haig was in charge of the White House at the time. He certainly lost his temper, but he was right in what he actually said. CFLeon (talk) 03:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Unedited"

Supposedly unedited footage has a three-second gap in it, from my point of view. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.74.62.19 (talk) 11:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] GA failed

I have failed the article since it has multiple citation needed tags. Please add inline citations to the statements requested by the tags and any other statements you think someone would question for verifiability. Please renominate it after you have addressed this, as the article shouldn't have too many other major problems. --Nehrams2020 00:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, on my talk page you said that this article didn't have any inline citations. There are currently 31 of them. There aren't very many 'citation needed' tags, so what's the problem? --Wasted Sapience 02:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The article cannot have any "citation needed" tags at all to pass, so that is why I failed it at that time. I'll look this article over again later this week, unless somebody else reviews it before then. --Nehrams2020 20:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The article doesn't have any "citation needed" tags right now, although I wish I knew how to reference the same source more than once in the article using those ^abcde things. --Wasted Sapience 20:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

At the time I reviewed it earlier, it did have those tags, so it's good to see that they are gone now. To use the same reference all you have to do is create a title for the reference, with something like<ref name="ReaganTime"> and put that before the first instance of the reference. Then you put the <ref name="ReaganTime"/> after the statement you want to cite. Look to other passed GA/FAs for examples. --Nehrams2020 22:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, the screenshot for the film needs a fair use rationale. --Nehrams2020 22:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright, could you just go ahead and add one? I don't know where the templates are. --Wasted Sapience 22:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vice-president

I find it strange that in an article on a nearly successful assassination attempt, during which control of the executive branch was (momentarily) disputed, Vice-President Bush barely rates a parenthetical mention. All I know is that he was in Texas at the time, but having a little more info would help put Haig's hip-shot in better context. --Tysto 01:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

After searching through New York Times and Washington Post archives, I'm unable to find any more information about that. He was traveling, he was in Texas, and he flew back to Washington after Reagan was shot. There just isn't much more to it than that. --Wasted Sapience 20:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

He addressed the media from the White House press room, saying the something to the effect The American government is functioning fully & effectively. GoodDay 23:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

The article looks very good, but just needs a few things fixed before I'll pass it.

1. Add a few more wikilinks throughout the article for some terms a reader may not know about such as dean, Greyhound,
2. The screenshot still needs a fair use rationale, add something like what is found at Image:Anchormenweapons.JPG. I can't add one since I am reviewing the article. In the fair use rationale be sure to mention it is for the use in a historical event that can't be duplicated or something to that effect.
3. "ATF agents found out in 16 minutes that the gun was purchased at Rocky's Pawn Shop in Dallas, Texas." Consider adding "in 16 minutes after the assassination attempt".
4. It appears the license of Image:Reagan recovering after being shot 1981.jpg needs to be updated; choose the correct license from the options listed.
5. Not really a big deal, but change Air Force 2 to Air Force Two.
6. "The not guilty verdict led to widespread dismay [26][27], and, as a result, the U.S. Congress, and a number of states, rewrote the law regarding the insanity defense [28] ." Fix the spacing of the inline citations, they go directly after the punctuation.

These are all relatively minor to fix and shouldn't be too much of a problem. Let me know if you need any help with any of them or if you need further clarification. Fix these within seven days and I'll pass the article. Alert me on my talk page once you have fixed them all. --Nehrams2020 22:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

This should all be fixed now. --Wasted Sapience 20:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

Excellent work on completing all of the above suggestions in such a short time period. I have passed this article as a GA according to the GA criteria. Good job on the article, and consider improving other articles to GA status. If you have the time, please review an article or two at GAC, we currently have a backlog of over 135 articles that need to be reviewed. --Nehrams2020 20:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Wasted Sapience 20:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Link

I removed the following link, Keeping guns out of the "wrong" hands: the Brady law and the limits of regulation. Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, because it is far outside the scope of this article. That link may be appropriate for the Brady Bill article, but it certainly doesn't belong here. --Wasted Sapience 15:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Assassinations

Maybe there's a consensus already established that I'm unaware of, but I'm not sure whether failed assassination attempts properly belong in this category. Perhaps a "failed assassinations" subcategory would be more appropriate? Redxiv 03:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nuclear War

Could we please have some more sources and citations about the nuclear war paragraph? --Wasted Sapience 23:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why Me?

I had to remove the link to the article because it is a copyright violation and therefore should not be linked to in the main article. I'm unable to find the text of Why Me? at Esquire's website. The text of Why Me? can be read here. Please keep this on the talk page for reference in case of future archivals. --Wasted Sapience 21:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reagan diary excerpt reflecting on day

There are many news stories reporting about Reagan's personal diary. Here is an excerpt on the assassination attempt that could possibly be integrated into the article somewhat. You'll have to search for your own sources though, this was from within a gallery on CNN. --Nehrams2020 07:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

"Left the hotel at the usual side entrance and headed for the car -- suddenly there was a burst of gun fire from the left. S.S. Agent pushed me onto the floor of the car & jumped on top. I felt a blow in my upper back that was unbelievably painful. ... I walked into the emergency room and was hoisted onto a cart where I was stripped of my clothes. It was then we learned I'd been shot & had a bullet in my lung. Getting shot hurts."

[edit] "He recovered quickly?"

Hardly....it was months before Reagan could work a full schedule -- his recovery was very slow, with several setbacks, and the full nature of the seriousness of his condition, while concealed from the public at the time, has been well-documented in several books since. Someone with far more free time than me might want to start by consulting "The President Has Been Shot" by Herbert L. Abrams (W.W. Norton, 1992) and correct/expand that brief one-sentence reference to Reagan's recovery. StanislavJ 22:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gunshots in hospital

In the tv movie (supposedly researched) someone came into the OR where Reagan was in surgery and fired several rounds from a pistol. No arrests were made and no suspects found. However, if it did happen, it does deserve a mention in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.207.2.2 (talk) 20:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps Review: Pass

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles. I made several corrections throughout the article and added a source as well. Overall, the article has maintinaed its quality since I passed it in March. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a good article. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have edited the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pierre Trudeau

Who keeps adding in Pierre Trudeau? The Canadian Prime Minister wasn't in Washington DC. GoodDay (talk) 21:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exploding bullets

This article claims that one of the exploding bullets exploded, which conflicts with John Hinckley, Jr., which says that none did, citing The Exploding Bullets, by Pete Barley and Charles Babcock, Washington Post, 4 Apr, 1981. Jfire (talk) 02:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] George Bush assures the nation

Does anybody have words from Bush's opening remarks to the press, (following his return from Texas)? If so, could they add it to the article? GoodDay (talk) 23:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)