Talk:Modoc War

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Contents 1 Photos 2 Reference 3 Thanks 4 Canby's Cross 5 Paraphrasing

[edit] Photos

I've recently visited Lava Beds National Monument and took some photos that may be useful here. See User:Maveric149/Images - Lava Beds National Monument. --mav 09:42, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Reference

A good reference for the modoc war is a book titled The Indian History of the Modoc War(ISBN hardcover 0-913522-03-1) It is authored by Jeff C. Riddle and was first Printed in 1914. Mr. Riddle, was he himself, a Modoc Indian, the son of the chief figure in that struggle. He witnessed most of the events that he describes in the book. A lot of the events described in this website are contrary to the story written by Riddle. It is unusually odd to me to find so many different stories in regard to this sad page of American history. 132 years after the tragic events that occurred in the region of southern Oregon and northern California, it is still somewhat a mystery given the contrary of evidence that is available to us in present date. While some speculate that the so called savage Modoc Indians were murdering ruthless people, some settlers have said that they lived in harmony with them for quite a long time. I hope that some of the people that read this will find it a must to seek the truth themselves and formulate their own opinion of what is factual and what is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.36.71 (talk) 06:40, February 3, 2004

ref to book added. thanks. (p.s. you can add ~~~~ to your messages anywhere on the 'pedia and it will automatically add your name and the date.) jengod 05:47, Feb 3, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for noticing the "discrepencies". Jeff Riddle's book is what I used for my novel, Lost River, Berkley, 1999. As you know, the great majority of American Indian history was written by non-Indian historians, encompassing their cultural viewpoints and prejudices. -- Pax Riddle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.64.96.57 (talk) 02:31, January 27, 2006

[edit] Canby's Cross

Comments moved from main page by Katr67

Canby's Cross, contrary to this article, is not erected where he fell if the peace tent was erected where this article claims. Canby's Cross is erected very near the south shore of Tule Lake between the shoreline and the north side of Captain Jack's Stronghold and what is now the Lava Beds National Monument (LBNM). This article states the Peace Tent was erected 1.5 miles west which would place it in the valley above and behind the bluff that overlooks the Lava Beds on the western side. The actual site is now private property and the dirt road that runs west over Gold Diggers Pass is as close as the public can get today. Of the soldiers that were buried in a cemetery west of where Canby's Cross stands today, all were exhumed and reburied mostly at the Presidio in San Franciso. The lava rock perimeter that marks the military cemetery stills stands in the northwest corner of the LBNM.

This amendment is not based on what I've read but what I've seen and heard during the many days I spent exploring the area over a 22 year period. It was possible to drive west over Gold Driggers Pass out of the LBNM through several ranchs before reaching HWY 97 if you opened and closed several cattle gates as you went but, it's been many years since I've traveled through the west side ranchs out and the road was very bad then. I wouldn't suggest trying it without a very rugged four wheeler with a low center of gravity and a very high axle base. The ruts are extremely deep and your cell phones probably won't work out there. If you get stuck you'll face perhaps two problems; having to walk out and getting cited for tresspassing on private property. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.177.194.228 (talk) 15:42, October 13, 2007

[edit] Paraphrasing

I have a hunch that large parts of this article are either paraphrased or quoted verbatim in a manner inconsistent with true research.

Furthermore, as part of this paraphrasing old-school type bias against the Modoc sticks out. While I'm able to read through this (and hopefully others) and see it as permissible: 1) It'd be nice if someone could make sure that the paraphrasing isn't so heavy that it includes source bias so clearly and 2) It'd be nice if other perspectives of the events in question were contemplated. Maybe including other perspectives would obscure the narrative, granted. But as good and natural as bias is in first-hand sources, I would hope that representatives of an intelligent species would choose to couch their history in more humble terms.

-Wikipedia User "Epigraphist", from remote source 35.9.174.13 (talk) 01:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)