User talk:Michael J Swassing

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Contents 1 Michael J Swassing 1.1 Watch me making sausages 2 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 3 Redundant category 4 Articles I'm not interested in editing 5 Roller derby rocks! 6 Eh 7 Minnesota RollerGirls 8 WikiProject: Aerosmith 9 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 10 Category:Wikipedians by alma mater and subcats 11 Category:Wikipedians by ethnicity and nationality 12 Proposal to split DDT into sub articles 13 Request for peer review 14 Peer review idea 15 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 16 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 17 Peer review request 18 Explain Why My Derby Posts Are Being Edited? : Explained 18.1 Final Note: Thanks 19 Ellen Page 20 Request for Peer Review help 21 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot

[edit] Michael J Swassing

Here you can talk to me. Place new topics at the bottom of the page, add discussion within a topic below the previous post. I will occasionally post memos about work in progress at the top of the page, feel free to comment.

[edit] Watch me making sausages

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[edit] Redundant category

Articles shouldn't be in both a category and one of its descendant categories. Category:Roller derby is a subcategory of Category:Roller skating. At least one of the articles you tagged today is currently in both. Can you check them and remove the roller skating category as necessary? Thanks. —mjb 21:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

(FYI) I posted a reply to your reply on my user talk page. —mjb 23:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Articles I'm not interested in editing

Michael, look at the history of my page to find out. Although it wasn't obvious going through my list, it will stand out now.[1] Histories are the curiosity seekers best friend on Wikipedia. KP Botany 05:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roller derby rocks!

Oops. I meant to say, roller derby, at least some parts of it, may be considered notable and worthy of encyclopedic inclusion.

Thanks for the nice comment. It's refreshing to get a nice message, rather than the ones I usually get that read something like, "FREDSMITH2!!! You're violating WP:LFM, WP:MCZ, WP:XLW, WP:GMT, WP:CYM, WP:OSD, WP:KVB, WP:TCV, WP:ZWW, WP:LQHK, WP:TBWI, WP:CFBL, WP:LZV, WP:WAN, WP:GSJY, WP:LPH, WP:TIQ, WP:DLB, WP:VSSS, WP:DAG, and WP:GCB!!!!! FREDSMITH2, I've reverted all of your edits and reported you!!!"

Thanks for your work, too. Fredsmith2 16:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eh

Thanks for making an effort to change your attitude, and I apologize for being an immature 20 year old. Sometimes I do redicolous things, eh. -b 06:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minnesota RollerGirls

Given all your work on Rat City Rollergirls, I thought I might point you towards what I've done for Minnesota RollerGirls. Feel free to take anything good that you see for Rat City's page. --Marumari 21:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Marumari. I responded on your user page under the section Minnesota RollerGirls.Michael J Swassing 17:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject: Aerosmith

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[edit] Category:Wikipedians by alma mater and subcats

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[edit] Category:Wikipedians by ethnicity and nationality

I have closed the UCFD nomination that you initiated for Category:Wikipedians by ethnicity and nationality, for reasons explained in the closing statement. Briefly, the nomination could not produce any particular outcome and general discussion for entire category trees is more suited to talk pages. Please let me know if I can provide any additional clarification. Cheers, Black Falcon ^(Talk) 02:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I nominated that category for "discussion" because I find fault with the precedents which have been established in the deletion of User Categories since approximately mid summer of this year, and it was my intention to push those precedents to their obvious logical absurdity; in the interest of changing the underlying policies and procedures for deletion.Michael J Swassing 03:01, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

You should state your point instead of attempting to prove it experimentally. If you find fault with such precedents, you should either raise the issue on the WP:UCFD talk page, or (since the phrase "per precedent" is just a shorthand for "per arguments previously stated") express your qualms in the context of particular discussions, when those precedents are mentioned. Initiating individual nominations is not the way to go about changing policies or procedures. – Black Falcon ^(Talk) 03:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to split DDT into sub articles

There is a proposal to split DDT into several sub-articles. As someone who has contributed regulary to this article, your input would be appreciated. Yilloslime (t) 22:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for peer review

Hi, I saw your name on the wikipedia:peer review volunteer page. I'm currently working on a science article called the Kardashev Scale, the page has gone through a lot of changes in the last 3 months, some of them reverts that I wish to overturn. I've sent out some notices to people who have worked on the page previously but I'm having problems getting open opinions and feedback. Their ideas about what they want the article to be about and look like are pretty set. I need outside opinion.

In my opinion the Kardashev scale has 3 primary interests:

• 1) A benchmark used by Seti scientists in there search for extraterrestrials
• 2) A catch-all vocabulary term for a scale used by scientists, in classifying advanced civilizations. This has important implications when speculating on sociological structures of advanced civilizations. But also, it is a necessary analysis when talking what about clues might be left behind or generated by alien species; which then might lead the the discovery of extraterrestrials.
• 3) Because it is can be used for the speculation of advanced civilizations it is a magnet for those interested in science fiction. Not many science fiction writers actually talk about the scale or the power generated by fiction species in power(WATTS) terms, but science fiction enthusiasts are interested in the Kardashev Scale.

My primary goals are in advancing the content area of number 2 and diminishing the fictional content. After all, it is a scientific not a fictional topic. My secondary goals are to find and add published content on the extension of the scale. The feedback I have gotten is pretty much divided between goals 1 or 3. And I don't want to create a editing war!

So please read the article and the discussion page and tell me what you think!!

• 1)Is the article presently fine the way it is?
• 2)After you read it, did you get the impression that it was a science article or a science fiction article?
• 3)Was it too long, too short, easy to understand?
• 4)Was the article interesting, was it boring, did it feel jumbled or was it concise?
• 5)What do you think might be needed to be added to this article, what do you think needs to be edited out?

Thx--Sparkygravity (talk) 18:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review idea

Hi, I have made a proposal that no peer review request be archived without some response. To aid in this, there is a new list of PR requests at least one week old that have had no repsonses beyond a semi-automated peer review. This list is at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog.

There are just over 100 names on the PR volunteers page, so I figure if each of these volunteers reviewed just one or two PR requests without a response from the list each month, it would easily take care of the "no response" backlog (as there have been 2 or 3 such unanswered requests a day on average).

If you would be able to help out with a review or two a month from the "no responses" backlog list that would be great (and much appreciated). Please discuss questions, comments, or ideas at the PR talk page and thanks in advance for your help, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

This seems so entirely reasonable that I cannot think of a workable excuse to weasel out of it. I did put my name on the list of volunteers, but have not looked back on the project on any sort of a regular basis. I will give it a go as soon as time permits. I do work a seasonal business, so my input to the wikipedia project as a whole is likely to be much less during the spring months. But even so a couple of articles a month should not overly tax my abilities. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 16:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Peer review request

Hi I saw you were interested in peer reviewing articles on arboriculture. I was hoping you might do a review for Christmas tree cultivation, given your experience/expertise.IvoShandor (talk) 07:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Explain Why My Derby Posts Are Being Edited? : Explained

I attempted to assist my wife start up a Derby league locally. The local WFTDA League came out in force to our rink, which was located over 45 minutes drive away from them, two towns away from them. They scared off any girls that were interested by Intimidation Efforts, Bullying, they swiped at the skates of one of our girls who was just LEARNING TO SKATE! And it was done at a Public Skating Session at a neutral rink?! These people are hooligans... thugs... Not Derby. Hell, their own Derby Association would shut them down if they knew what they had done. Anyway, I'm not even naming names on my post just stating facts. Why are you removing them? I assume that 8-Bit talked to you and that is why you felt it necessary to 'do something about it' but I am not sure why. I thought that Wikipedia was about facts, and that is what I stated. I didn't whine or bitch, I stated "FACTS"... so kindly explain why you removed it, or I will just place it again? Thanks

Welcome to wikipedia. Nobody talked to me about your edits, I have some Derby related articles on my watchlist. So I saw the previous edits. My removal of your contributions should not be taken as a personal affront or as any dispute of wether your statements are factual. I removed them because they were not composed in a manner one would expect for statements of fact in an encyclopedia article; they are about a dispute and are therefore controversial, or at least about a controversy, but did not have citations to a primary source (for example a newspaper, magazine article or some other source). If you witnessed a noteworthy event that has not been reported elsewhere, then the facts of that event might not get included in a wikipedia article until it is reported elsewhere. Others have had complaints about specific teams removed from articles, and I think it is likely that these concerns taken together may indicate that a newsworthy story is going unnoticed by published media accounts. However, until the facts are reported in a publication which could be cited as a reference, then those statements do not pass the verifiability requirement of wikipedia. If you would like to start a new article about the Old School Derby Association, and include in that article the disagreements and personality conflicts which have lead to separate league associations, then that could be a great article. Be sure to attach citations to references for each statement of fact, and have the references before you post the new article for the first time, and I'll bet that article would withstand a notability challenge. Good luck, and I'd be happy to help if you are new to the wikipedia. Oh, and be sure to sign your comments in the future. Just type four tildes (~) in a row without spaces between and the computer will fill in the signature information and date stamp. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 05:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Lol... Thank you.

I didn't realize the full spectrum of what wikipedia actually was. I have done more research now, sorry for my newbishness, and I have furthered a discussion on the TALK page for the League of Derby stuff. I will attempt to 'stick to the rules' so that I can get the information that NEEDS to be there... there. I seriously assumed that you had removed the sentence in question because or personal issues of some sort and I apologize if my response was rather heated. This is a topic that I feel needs to be out there. I guess I should contact our local news media and get the story to them so I CAN get it on wikipedia... lol. Ugh! We just wanted to leave a warning for future leagues somewhere that they might find it. I don't plan on maintaining the domain name for our league now that it is dead... but maybe I should? I don't know... Sorry for the emotion involved, but we put our heart and souls into this league, and what happened to it is just sad for all who were involved. Thanks for remaining professional, you and 8-bit helped me understand the whole wikipedia process even more. Have a great one and I hope you always enjoy derby.... Derby Not Drama!
Peace Randomblink (talk) 14:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Final Note: Thanks

Mr. Swassinger: Thanks alot. Wikipedia just makes more sense now because of people like yourself and the others. I learned alot, and appreciate your help immensely. I will get my message out, but not here. So... thanks again! Have a great one man...
Randomblink (talk) 14:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It is Swassing, ... and, no problem. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 02:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ellen Page

Roller derby category? I assume there's a good reason but I didn't see it in the article. Cheers! DoubleBlue (Talk) 01:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

She will be starring in the film "Whip It," directed by Drew Barrymore, and based on the book "Derby Girl." Production is to begin this summer. She attended an LA derby game a couple of weeks ago with Barrymore as research. See also: [2] - Michael J Swassing (talk) 01:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I was unaware what the plot of Whip It was. DoubleBlue (Talk) 01:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Peer Review help

Thank you for you work as a peer review volunteer. Since March, there has been a concerted effort to make sure all peer review requests get some response. Requests that have gone three days or longer without a substantial response are listed at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog. I have three requests to help this continue.

1) If you are asked to do a peer review, please ask the person who made the request to also do a review, preferably of a request that has not yet had feedback. This is fairly simple, but helps. For example when I review requests on the backlog list, I close with Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, ...

2) While there are several people who help with the backlog, lately I have been doing up to 3 or 4 peer reviews a day and can not keep this up much longer. We need help. Since there are now well over 100 names on the PR volunteers page, if each volunteer reviewed just one PR request without a response from the list each month, it would easily take care of the "no response" backlog. To help spread out the load, I suggest those willing pick a day of the month and do a review that day (for example, my first edit was on the 8th, so I could pick the 8th). Please pick a peer review request with no responses yet, if possible off the backlog list. If you want, leave a note on my talk page as to which day you picked and I will remind you each month.

3) I have made some proposals to add some limits to peer review requests at Wikipedia_talk:Peer_review#Proposed_limits. The idea is to prevent any one user from overly burdening the process. These seem fairly reasonable (one PR request per editor per day, only four total PR requests per editor at a time, PR requests with cleanup banners can be delisted (like GAN quick fail), and wait two weeks to relist a PR request after it is archived), but have gotten no feedback in one week. If you have any thoughts on these, please weigh in.

Thanks again for your help and in advance for any assistance with the backlog. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

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