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Note to Self : Be Bold but Don't be Reckless! You were not careful enough in deletions on your first few days of adminship! :P

Contents 1 RE: Social responsibility on wikipedia and wikitionary 2 My adminship 3 Template 4 Thank you 5 Images and media for deletion 6 More questions 7 Thankyou 8 Requested deletion 9 I need your help 10 Frensham school 11 Gold Airways 12 Dake-bonoism 13 My adminship: thanks! 14 Deleting Images 15 Teresa Teng and category:Cantopop 16 User page vandalism 17 Attribution of article 18 I see that you are back! 19 Current events in Malaysia and Singapore? 20 Cerberus 21 Thanks for the welcome 22 Hello 23 Your message 24 Tan 25 Thank you 26 Vicefield 27 Trindade and Martim Vaz 28 hiya 29 Be timid! 30 New user asking for help 31 Re : Birthday 32 Goodbye 33 Your behaviour 34 Comparison of computer algebra systems 35 Dialects

[edit] RE: Social responsibility on wikipedia and wikitionary

Hi

The Wikipedia:Social responsibility was wikified so I submitted a new article to wikitionary. I just get a message from Uncle G that I should contact you above taking away the protection of SR on wikipedia since the protected/deleted article is in the way of the order, or was the other way around?

I made an attempt to beef up the article on social responsibility since I thought the general term was wikified while the special case of corporate social responsibility had a well written article.

Is there a way of wikipedify my article on wikitionary? Or how do one proceed? Yours, //BedrupsBaneman

• Follow up by Bedrupsbaneman - Talk:Social responsibility

[edit] My adminship

Hi Mailer diablo, Thank you so much for your support in my nomination. I look forward to helping out. Also, congratulations on your own adminship! I've been following your footsteps across various talk pages.  ;) Cheers, BanyanTree 04:31, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Hi friend! How do you create a navigational or information template? Allagappan.gnu 11:13, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:23, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images and media for deletion

• I am contacting people who previously helped to vote to delete a generally objectionable photograph by a vote of 88 to 21, and who might be unaware that immediately after that image was voted to be deleted someone posted another which was very similar in content. My objections to this, and the previous image that was voted to be deleted might be based upon reasons far different from any that you have, but I do object to it, and consider the posting of such images to be acts of asinine stupidity, which burdens the project and its major educational aims in ways that they should not be burdened, and can be extremely detrimental to the acceptance and growth of WIkipedia's use and influence. Thus far those who I believe to be in the extreme minority of Wikipedians who would like to include these images, many who have been channeled to the voting page from the article with which it is associated have dominated the voting, 23 to 12 (as of the time that I composed this message). I would like to be somewhat instrumental in shedding a bit more light upon the issue, and if possible, helping to turn the tide against its inclusion. It might also be necessary to begin making an effort to establish an explicit Wikipedia policy against explicit photographic depictions of humans engaged in erotic, auto-erotic, or quasi-erotic activities. To my limited knowledge such images have not been accepted as appropriate anywhere else within this project, and frankly I can agree with those who are casually labeled prudes for opposing their inclusion, that they should not be. Vitally important information that might be unwelcome by some is one thing that should never be deleted, but un-needed images that can eventually prevent or impede many thousands or millions of people from gaining access to the great mass of truly important information that Wikipedia provides is quite another matter. There are vitally important distinctions to be made. Whatever your reasons, or final decisions upon the matter, I am appealing for more input on the voting that is occurring at Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion. ~ Achilles † 04:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More questions

If someone blanks some pages and you list them on the Vandalism in progress page, and then they stop, do you take the listing out, or just leave it to be archived? Also, do anonymous users see the "You have new messages" banner when someone posts to their talk page? Thanks again for the help. Jobarts^-Talk 06:32, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thankyou

Just wanted to extend my gratitude for reverting my userpage so promptly when it was vandalized. --Halidecyphon 16:47, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me how to sign discussions... Dan3k5 21:31, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requested deletion

Would you be able to delete the small page history of GuitarFreaks so I can properly move Guitar Freaks back to that title? I already tried Wikipedia:Requested moves and nothing came out of it (nobody voted). You can see the reasons for moving on Talk:Guitar Freaks. Thanks. --Poiuyt Man (talk) 16:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I need your help

Hello Mailer diablo. A request for arbitration has been filed against me at WP:RFAr by Snowspinner as the AMA advocate for jguk. What do you think I can do? — Instantnood 20:53, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Mailer. By the way if you have any comment or opinion feel free to contact me at my talk page, or the kind and helpful advocates who are helping me with the arbitration, Wally and Wgfinley. Thanks. :-D

[edit] Frensham school

You closed the vfd discussion for Frensham school but did not link to it on the talk page. Would you please correct this when you have time? School Inclusionist 00:49, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gold Airways

www.goldairways.com.au

[edit] Dake-bonoism

I don't understand your conclusion that the result of the vote at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Dake-bonoism was "no consensus". Rough consensus to delete usually means that twice as many people vote to delete as to keep. I count 6 clear votes to delete, plus 1 more (Asriel86) who voted to delete if the article wasn't revised to indicate that the "religion" is a hoax, and the article wasn't revised in that way. Therefore it's safe to say there are 7 delete votes. There were only 3 keep votes, one of which was from a user (Stevejohnsenson) whose only contributions were to the Dake-bonoism talk page at the time of voting, i.e. not an established Wikipedian. Doesn't 7-2 look like rough consensus to delete to you? --Angr/_comhrá 15:41, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I wish I had noticed it up at VfD, I certainly would have voted to delete. But it's too late now. --Angr/_comhrá 18:35, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please delete the redirect page Dake-bonoist as well. Thanks! --Angr/_comhrá 18:35, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The proposed airline is a public company with a aeronautical reference number so why are we deleting it?

[edit] My adminship: thanks!

Hi Mailer diablo. Thanks very much for your vote for my RfA. I promise to be prudent, wise, sagacious and totally unilateral in all my admin affairs. I should say that I am very pleased at the number of people who supported me – it's very nice to know I'm making a positive impact. Cheers again, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 21:16, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting Images

How can I delete a image which has been added by me. Actually when I was relatively new to wikipedia I added some images, that probably do not come under fair use. The reason being that at that time I was not very clear abt the fair use thing. Though for many of the images I have replaced them by their corresponding fair use images but for some of them I have not been able to find a suitable replacement. I would be grateful if u could suggest a possible solution. TIA Gaurav1146 17:50, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mailer diablo,
Thanx for your suggestion. Following are the images for which I have replaced the old image by a new one, but the earlier one also exists. So, kindly delete the old version.
[[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg -->|40px]]Image:Amisha.jpgImage:Anabeatrizbarros.jpgImage:Danielapestova.jpg
There are some more images for which I have not been able to find a suitable replacement. I would mark them for deletion. Bye Gaurav1146 06:49, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Teresa Teng and category:Cantopop

Hello Mailer diablo. Would you be interested to join the discussion on whether the article on Teng should be categorised under category:Cantopop, and perhaps, to mediate? Thanks in advance. — Instantnood 15:53, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

And would be nice too if you can help at talk:Nanyang (geographical region)#Common usage and user talk:Huaiwei#Nanyang. :-D — Instantnood 16:19, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. — Instantnood 23:49, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User page vandalism

Have a look at what this guy is up to... EliasAlucard|Talk 10:50, 5 May, 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't he be banned though? I mean, I could've reverted myself, but it's pretty much clear what his nick implies. Thanks.

EliasAlucard|Talk 05:04, 6 May, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot man. Appreciated.

EliasAlucard|Talk 14:39, 6 May, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Attribution of article

Hi,

I was wondering if I could enlist your help in "re-attributing" the following edits to my user name (was logged out of my session):

• 17:49, 6 May 2005 in Changi Naval Base under IP 202.7.190.130
• 17:28, 6 May 2005 in Republic of Singapore Navy under IP 202.7.190.130

Appreciate your help! You can take this off your page, just didn't know of any other way to get to you.

-Travisyoung 17:58, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey no worries, I checked out Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit and it was stated that the service is no longer provided, so no problem. Thanks for your help!

-Travisyoung 01:11, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I see that you are back!

Interesting things happen when you are away, and as we speak, I have just started on the Singapore portal. :D--Huaiwei 17:10, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Your userpage is on my watchlist, so I cant help noticing. :D Geez....upset over recent revelopments here? Do voice your opinions as soon as you can before the decay sets in. Nonetheless, I am quite happy that some recent newbies in our midst has managed to create quite well writtern articles, such as Chewing gum ban in Singapore.--Huaiwei 17:21, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Current events in Malaysia and Singapore?

What do you think of collaborating on a project on that, or do you think there is scope for one only on Singapore news?--Huaiwei 17:55, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Sir...a small reminder on the above! :D--Huaiwei 15:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Oh I did post a message there before, but no replies. :D I did post a msg in Johnleemk's talk page, but his reply to me sounds like he misunderstood what I was asking for. ;) --Huaiwei 05:39, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cerberus

I fear that the Cerberus article might experience another revert war. Could you please have a look at the latest article history and the talk page for more information about this? Also, it would be nice if you could protect the article until the disputes have been resolved. Thanks. EliasAlucard|Talk 20:41, 7 May, 2005 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better if you protected it until we've resolved the issue?

EliasAlucard|Talk 21:10, 7 May, 2005 (UTC)

No problem, I will. Thanks for protecting it so we can resolve it. Last time I experienced a crazy revert war, it was on the Cat article that has been protected for weeks now. I just don't want that to happen here as well. So I'll try to resolve it now with DreamGuy and call in other people on the subject. Thanks again!

EliasAlucard|Talk 21:21, 7 May, 2005 (UTC)

This article really should not have been protected based upon EliasAlucard's complaint here. He complains about Cat being locked forever, and he's part of the reason -- because he kept insisting upon putting his own extremely poor quality Manx cat photos in there and consistently put them back after a number of editors removed them. HE makes no attempt to compromise, only blindly reverting and saying his way is best without any attempt at following consensus. If Cerberus is now locked until I can agree with him, then it's likely to be permanently locked, based upon his actions in the Cat article... And it's really rather poor form for you to go lock it after he reverted it again because if he had reverted it again he would have violated the Three revert rule... now he doesn't have to face disciplinary action for his POV warring because his way was locked. DreamGuy 21:47, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I wasn't part of the Cat revert war. That was about some "smiling cat," and I wasn't part of that. But that's another issue and completely beside the point. Either way, we shouldn't bother Mailer Diablo with this, and find other people for consensus.

EliasAlucard|Talk 00:09, 8 May, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the welcome

Hi there! I just noticed you on my talk page and wanted to say thanks. I'm just working on minor contributions right now, but I'll work my way up to full articles in time. I hope to get along well with my fellow wikipedians and enjoy contributing. JEther 18:57, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Greetings, Mailer. Thank you for your message. I must say that in all my dealings on Wikipedia, I have adopted a civil and open mind, and I have never said anything bad against any fellow users. I am therefore compelled to inquire as to what gave you the opinion that I am cold and harsh towards Singaporeans. I have no racial nor religious prejudices. Neither do I have any issues with them, excepting the Nanyang debate which I finished the other week on good terms with the other user (User:Huaiwei). Please reply ASAP so that we may clarify this. Thank you! JMBell° 14:44, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, too. I guess I have to clear up a few things. One is that I'm not upset with Tan's English. I know and understand that not everybody can speak perfect English (not even I can), and I have no problem with that. Most people get their grammar wrong, even my fellow countrymen do (listen to Bush), and I also have no problem with that. The world would be a boring place if everyone had perfect grammar. I myself do not think in terms of grammar, meaning I don't think that I'm more important than others just because my grammar and vocabulary is "superior." It's just my job to fix up grammar errors and the like here on Wikipedia.

The second thing is that the reason I'm upset with Tan is because he's too proud to accept that other people can have better grammar than him - and he believes this only due to a small incidence with brackets. He knows that his mastery of English is substandard, but he still reverts perfectly good edits that I/we do because he's "cleaning up." He doesn't recognize the use of some words (e.g. "isle" -> "island"), doesn't accept brackets in a circumstance where it's perfectly all right to, and believes our English is much worse than his. No offence meant here, but I'm a writer, and I guess I'm supposed to know what good grammar looks like. We have repeatedly tried to tell him that he should let us edit his grammar or at least he should improve it a bit, but no, no, no, he'll have none of it. Moreover, he blames us for vandalizing "his" articles, depriving him of editing freedom, and other stuff that I don't even know where he got them from. He added a copyedit template onto the Zanskar article, but it didn't even need to be edited! And it wasn't facts he was talking about, it was styling, styling of the article, he wanted it like Sikkim and I don't even know why. Zanskar looked good already. Anyway, after that, we put up an RfC to enlighten him a little - not to humiliate him, but to let him accept our edits with good humor. But Tan posted accusatory messages on our talk pages, ordered us to do things (e.g. Pass this on to Moumine; I want you to hold a discussion....), which prompted me to conclude that either 1)his grammar is very poor or that 2) he is really very rude, boorish, etc. Note, however, that I was not accusing him or confronting him or anything - this was merely a hypothesis which came from my logical side. The "or that" says it all. It's not the same as "and that," which could give the impression that I'm attacking him verbally. Now Tan has gone to Jimbo Wales and posted his one-sided view of things there, in which I, Mel, and Moumine are ganging up on him and reverting each and every edit that he does (this is not true - see my response to him at Tan's talkpage). I posted our side of the argument to balance things a bit, but it seems he has alreaddy reached some people, including you. Please do not consider this a matter of racial or lingual discrimination. I am only trying to reach out to Mr Tan and tell him that we mean no harm and are only trying to help him out. I don't know what to do anymore. He refuses to listen to us and accept our help. Our only option is to use the RfC.

Could you place a neutral opinion on the RfC (Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mr Tan) and help out a bit, now that you've heard our side? He might listen to you, since you're another Singaporean.

Hope this clears up any misunderstandings. Best regards! Hoping to hear from you soon.... : ) JMBell° 17:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your message

What did you have in mind? You can't mean Mr Tan (talk · contribs)(!); I don't really know the national origins of most of the people I have dealings with (I didn't know that you were Singaporean, in fact), so I'm not really sure who you're talking about I'm afraid. Itry, though, to be fair and courteous with everyone with whom I deal, though that inevitably slips a little if they're not fair and courteous towards me... Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:04, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

So far from thinking Singaporean English bad, I've said on a number of occasions that Mr Tan's claim that his English wasn't poor but only Asian was nonsense (incidentally, I understood that he's not Singaporean, only living in Singapore at the moment). That he's been treated harshly I dispute; he has behaved very badly (and is still doing so), trying to take control of articles, insulting other editors for their poor English (which in every case was better than his), ordering editors around, adding inappropriate templates to articles in order to make a point, etc. The RfC bears me out, I think.

Incidentally, Mr Tan has had confrontations with Singaporean and other Asian editors, as well as with me and other editors. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:29, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tan

Hi, Mr Tan here.

I have been fond of your character since I first saw your user page a few months ago.

I am a Singaporean, yes, but I have some rights to claim Malaysian citizenship (I cannot tell you why). I understand that you are a Malaysian, studying in Singapore, perhaps a Singapore PR.

If you realise, the group with Mel Etitis have inappropriate use of English, especially with the case of brackets. In fact, they are indeed harsh for one should not think the edits are bad. Most of my work, however, could not be completed because of their frequent and annoying interferences. If you have a good sense of prediction, any article under major edit would look bad. They must have reverted for they think it is bad, but I have not yet completed my work in the first place! This especially applies to Zanskar. The problem lies in the fact that we have very different POVs.

Secondly, they are very stubborn and ruthless. If you are curious to know why I said that, go and see Goh Chok Tong. While Mel Etitis have been constantly stalking down on my contributions and indulging in my affairs, most of which are bad. For example, the old syntax template in Goh Chok Tong is not valid, they have unanimously reverted after I have put up the new template format from Tony Blair.

Last, but not least, youy should have realised that I have put up the /temp message in Wee Kim Wee. Whilst User:Nichalp stated that this is applicable to the articles that needs Major edits, particularly in the case where a lot of content will be added, this is what exactly it is supposed to apply, and you can see Maharashtra and Maharashtra/temp to see what I mean.

Keep a lookout on these articles that I have stated above for these few days. Also, please ractify the error in Woodlands, Singapore. The article seems to be much reduced in size after somebody added a template concerning about the MPs.

Tan 14:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, your POV is way, way off, Mr Tan. Just look at the outside views in your RfC. JMBell° 11:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mailer, I wrote you a short note up there (under Hello). Could you give an opinion at the RfC? It's at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mr Tan. I'd suggest you review our edit histories first before you make your statement, but I guess you know that anyway, so anyway, yeah. Thanks. :) JMBell° 12:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

My response to your most enlightening observation is at User_talk:Hoary. Be so kind as to finish what you have started. Thanks. JMBell° 19:35, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I am grateful to your welcoming message. Thank you. Larus.r 11:14, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vicefield

When closing votes fo deletion, please do not forget to click at "What links here" of the article you are going to delete and see if these links are to be deleted as well. I could have done this for "vicefield" myself, but I think if you do it yourself, you'll see better what I mean. Thank you for wasting your time fighting idiots and vandals. Mikkalai 04:18, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trindade and Martim Vaz

Hi, thanks for your comments. I'm learnig. Greetings, Ratzer Ratzer 19:52, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

thnx for comments. I shall remember the ~'s Ole Dahl Rasmussen 07:55, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] hiya

hi, thanks for the comments to me as well.

it was your bdae sometimes back on the 21st may? happy bdae!Sghan 10:13, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Be timid!

Be timid! -- a shocking new twist, maybe (he mutters, rather timidly). -- Hoary 11:10, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

[edit] New user asking for help

Hey Mailer. You welcomed me to Wikipedia, so I thought you might be someone I could appeal to for aid. Due to my ignorance and general newbieness, I thought my talk page was the place for user information -- and now I discover that I can't erase my posting to correct my error. I doubt the page will get much traffic anyway, but it's kind of embarassing. Help!

NoahB 19:45, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re : Birthday

Many unlucky things happened to me recently

I was recently hospitalised for dengue fever

The dengue fever forced me to be unable to go to China(immersion programme) with my school. I had yearned so much to go onto this trip. You cant imagine how sad I am. Yes I am still very very depressed right now

My school work....I cant seem to catch up!!!!!!

The most recent blow is my chem teacher is leacing for another school and the new teacher suck i am really very scared now...:(

You cant imagine how sad angry fustrated disappointed I am with my life

Oh btw have you heard of Amoy Airlines before and Taiwan Airlines?

Sghan 10:07, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Goodbye

Hi Mailer. I'll be gone for around a month or so, but I'm still not sure whether or not I'm going to come back. A couple of unusual things happened today, namely, I got into a fight (which never occured to me before) in which I was the cause, and 2) I sat down in front of my computer and could think of nothing to do. Honestly, the only articles I've contributed to in the past few days were talk pages and a few measly edits on Zossen. Productivity is down and temper is up. Best combination for a disaster.

So I'm taking a break. In the meanwhile, put our discussion on hold. Don't do anything foolish while I'm gone (like putting up an RfC against me and asking a hundred users to endorse your summary :) ). And I think Tan needs some help - you can go cheer him up a bit.

Anyway, that's it. Best regards and cheers - JMBell° 21:55, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your behaviour

Why did you delete Compare CAS? I have just started it so that me and my students can update it with examples of how various symbolic computation systems compare in solving particular tasks. I do have a local copy and will recreate the page, of course. But this is very annoying. Unless you have a very good explanation for your action, which you failed to provide, I will fight with you. Rych... posted at 07:48 (and a bit later), 2005 May 29 by Rych

For one thing, the title is bizarre. Why is it an imperative clause, and not a noun phrase such as "Comparison of computer algebraic systems"? (Incidentally, "Unless you [do X], I will fight with you" strikes me as a bizarre way of attempting to influence somebody.) -- Hoary 13:33, 2005 May 29 (UTC)

I think eventually Compare CAS would be better off if made a redirect to Comparison of computer algebra systems, what do you think? So far I made it go the other way around, as the former seems to be in use. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov 21:24, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison of computer algebra systems

Thank you for your kind reply which I must admit contrasts nicely to my message to you. I'm sorry, when I calmed myself down, I saw that the Compare CAS page was deleted right. It should be deleted again now, as the very title is inconsistent. I'd like to work on the Comparison of computer algebra systems page as I found similar titles, e.g., Comparison of email clients and even a category for various Comparisons. Still the page is quite empty, so you can delete it too at this stage. When I am ready with it, we'll be back. Thanks. Rych 01:23, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

That ready could mean long time from now. So, unless anybody is willing to work on that aritcle, I think making it a redirect to computer algebra system should be the way to go. Any disagreements? Oleg Alexandrov 02:53, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dialects

Please take a look in my survey drive in [1]. Thanks.

Tan 22:07, 1 June 20005 (UTC)