Talk:List of horse breeds
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[edit] New horse breed template--need your help
I need your help if you know something about horses. I've create a new template for adding a standardized infobox to each horse listed in List of horse breeds. The template is shown here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse breeds and there's a sample with minimal information in American Paint Horse. The problem is that I don't really know what should or could go in the box. For example, for the Dog breeds template, we can identify specific major breed registry organizations. But for horses, is that true? And what else makes sense to go in the table--e.g., "type"? (Draft, pony,...what else?) Please respond at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horse breeds. Thanks! Elf | Talk 23:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Adding "breeds" - Sanity, please!
Can we create a policy of putting in breeds with the correct article name and any other names in plain text after the link? Can we avoid using piped links and redirects?
Also, could anyone putting in a breed with a red link commit to putting up at least a stub on that breed within a week? We are getting a lot of "breeds" that are NOT breeds in here from somewhere...?
And, if it isn't too much to ask, can we keep the pony breeds in the pony section and the horse breeds in the horse section (see the way Welsh ponies and Welsh cobs are handled, this CAN be done with minimal controversy--if a breed wants to be a "horse" according to its registry, we'll call it a horse (for example, miniature horses...) Montanabw 21:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that all of these ideas are good. Great thinking! I was thinking somewhat about this, too, because there are some articles about breeds without the correct name. People just don't think about this when writing the article. Also, I agree with you on the idea that if you submit a breed with a red link that you should write (at least a stub) something on it. I don't know why people don't do this, since they probably have the information to write an article with. I'm not sure about separating ponies and horses, though, because that might cause some controversy, but it is also a great idea. It would narrow peoples' search down more, and that would be good. Again, great ideas. I'm all for it. Swannie 00:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I did it all, a month ago. The Pony/Horse thing can be congtroversial, but read the text, I settled it by just basically taking whatever the breed people themselves want to call the breed. Including Miniature "horses." Whatever... As for the "correct" name issue, Ditto for the "correct" name of the breed--whatever the official registry wants to call them (and if more than one registry, then list both, but hopefully just one article) and making appropriate merges when possible. I am perfectly OK with redirecting articles as appropriate or creating redirects from common misspellings or misphrasing (I had to merge Pottock, Pottok and Pottock Pony, there are probably more variations out there); part of the reason that the other change I have been making to the list is to list the actual names of the article in question, without using piped links.
- And then there is the annoyance of Wikipedia capitalization conventions...I guess it was quite a fight to get "American Quarter Horse" from being moved and renamed "American quarter horse." Sigh...and then some links have been moved but the list not changed, we also have hanging breed articles that aren't in Category:Horse breeds, and oh lordy it is a big mess out there in wikipand! (sigh). Sorry to whine, you just sound sympathetic! My watchlist is now up to something like 300 articles, all on horse stuff! HELLLLPPP!! (grin) Montanabw 04:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. I have a book or two that I picked up off the "remaindered" tables in my local book sellers. They contain articles on various breeds. People who think they know of a breed to add could use some basic published source to get the names right, and, to get the name of the organizations that keep pedigrees of registered animals on file. If there is no such registry that ought to be a fairly clear indication that there probably isn't what we define as a breed. And as long as they have such a source to cite they could use it to give at least a stub on the breed.
- BTW, I've been trying to find a picture of the Chinese "Guo Xia" breed. I don't know whether there is a registry, but there are historical references going back hundreds of years. They are really attractive animals. They have the conformation of a horse, but they are said to be "three feet tall" -- and that doesn't tell me whether they are that tall at the withers or at the crown. I found out that the name indicates that people could ride them under the branches of fruit trees. Horse and rider may have formed an organic "cherry picker." Anyway, Wikipedia Commons does not have a picture of one of them. (There is a recently added search engine that delivers pictures rather than file names, which is really neat. I've been looking for spiders, and sometimes very good pictures have filenames like wxz2207_in_Panama.jpg, so it is really important that people add category information when they upload pix -- expecially when the file name may be in Japanese or Arabic.) P0M 04:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I'm a bit late, but I didn't notice Paints on the list. While I'm aware that they're pretty much the mutts of the horse world, they're very important to most horse riders that can't afford to spend thousands on a horse that's barely gentled and have a crappy attitude. Brain sage (talk) 00:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Manchurian Pony
Can someone tell me what a "Manchurian pony" is please, and if it goes by another name. Many thanks.--MacRusgail 01:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- NO clue. I have had moments of thinking I should just toss every red link on the page, but someone might want to create an article. I'd say if you can search the research links at the bottom and Google the net and not find anything, you might be able to toss that one if we can't find any evidence (other than some other list somewhere) that this is actually a "breed." Any help is always appreciated. Montanabw 17:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Red links should not be tossed out so easily, because I love to research about the different breeds and write about them! --Yamenah 02:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] American Saddlebred and Saddle Bred
I would like to know if the American Saddlebred and the Saddle Bred is the same breed of horse? Are they both the same breed going under the same name? I wanted to write about the Saddle Bred (which is a red link) but it seems as though the two were the same. --Yamenah 02:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
- Saddlebreds and American Saddlebreds are the same breed, I'll fix that, thanks.
- Please be careful adding articles about "new" breeds, if you can't find enough data--and a source--to at least create a stub, please don't just expand the laundry list here. Also, be careful, there are some breeds with mulitple (sometimes common but incorrect) names, and other "breeds" that aren't "breeds" at all, they are just someone's marketing scheme to make money (like the infamous "bay horse" registry). I guess I only ask that no one add a red link to this page--there are too many inaccurate lists. If you want to add a breed, also search wikipedia thoroughly first. (Pottok pony had three different articles with different spellings for a while!) ? Also, be aware that certain sub-groups within a breed are NOT different breeds. Okey dokey? Thanks. Montanabw 02:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External Link
The external link for "The Breeds List maintained by the International Museum of the horse" does not seem to be working. Could someone check into this?--Yamenah 02:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Go the the Kentucky horse park or international museum of the horse web site, they just rearranged everything and changed all their links. This is causing problems across all the wikipedia horse pages, Feel free to find the new pages and fix as you can, it would be appreciated. Montanabw 03:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Horse Breeds
After looking throughout the web it seems as though the Aegidienberger may only be a cross between the Icelandic and the Paso Fino. Does anyone know if it is truly a particular breed?Yamenah 03:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
- The German Wikipedia indicates it is a new breed on progress. The cross breedings made are intended to eventually produce a true-breeding strain that will combined desired traits from both foundation breeds. P0M 05:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
It seems the Ariegeois horse may actually be a pony breed? Does anyone know any better?Yamenah 15:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
- 13.1-14.3 hands The Encyclopedia of Horses & Ponies, p. 185.P0M 05:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there a separate breed for the Batak horse? It seems there is a Batak pony (as is listed under ponies) but no horse of that name. Yamenah 20:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I don't know. Maybe someone else does. Nice job on the new articles by the way. I am a fan of cleaning up red links! Montanabw 03:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
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- My Encyclopedia of horse breeds says the Batak is a pony, max. ht. is 13 hands.
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- Google it and see if you can find a registry. Or, go to the Kentucky Horse Park/International Museum of the Horse site and see if they list it in their collection (If they have a page for it, there are usually sources and it is at least arguably a "real" breed. Montanabw 17:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Easy article for someone to write
I haven't the time to do this right now, but Bavarian Warmblood will be a pretty easy article to create, many legitimate links, here's a Google search on it: http://www.google.com/search?q=Bavarian+warmblood&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8 If you want to write your first article, this looks to be one breed that needs one -- just don't copy and paste, they'll slap you with a copyvio here...and remember to include your sources. Montanabw 18:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Above article now written. Yamenah 21:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ARRGH!
Folks, some of you have been around long enough to know better! Don't just start putting in red links about some breed without checking to see if a) A variation of the name is already on the list, b) an article actually exists out there and hasn't yet been added to the list, and c) that you check both the horse and the pony lists. I had to merge THREE different articles on the Pottok/Pottock/Pottock Pony not too long ago. Let's just not do this, Okay? ARRGH! Montanabw 17:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Getting better, but now expand the stubs, and a few more tasks
Folks, things are improving, in that at least stubs are being created, but one sentence does not an article make. If you are going to the bother of making a stub, will you kindly at least wikify what you have (properly wikify, too...I spent weeks being sure I found the proper articles and learned to use piped links, you can too), and list FULL citations to the sources you contulted? (If you don't have a hardcopy book in front of you at the computer,then go to Amazon.com or something and swipe the citation material there.) Also, please don't just cut and past the horse infobox without removing the placeholders for sections for which we don't have material, it looks astonishingly bizarre if you leave them in. Yes, I know I'm anal, but I suspect we all are dedicated to making Wikipedia a legitimate and useful resource for everyone, yes? Montanabw 19:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and also, if anyone wants a job, the Kentucky Horse Park and International Museum of the horse totally revamped their site and in doing so changed the web URLs of all their breed articles without creating redirects. <grrrr...>, so if anyone wants to check the reference links that contain "imh" in them to see if they still go to a real article, that is something that has to happen sooner or later. The articles are all there somewhere, but have been moved and in some cases rewritten. (Don't get me started on the poor web etiquette of KHP and IMH in doing this, sigh) Montanabw 19:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Finally, also found an interesting article on the DNA studies of Iberian horses that listed the 17 more or less "official" breeds of the Iberian Peninsula, and edited that article to reflect this research. We don't have articles on many of them, I don't know how hard it will be to find articles on some of them (and some may have an alternative name in English that we DO already have...) but they are now listed in that article if anyone wants to dig into it a bit. Montanabw 19:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sandbox
Instead of adding red links to the list for articles we want to start "someday," I am putting in a proposed new article idea I haven't had time to write, with some research links. If anyone wants to take the ball and run, feel free. Montanabw 22:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Montana Traveler http://www.montanatravler.com/ and http://www.bridgeroutfitters.com/horse.htm
- Though Wikiproject horse breeds also has a to do list, it's complicated, this is faster and simpler. Montanabw 22:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New type of breed...?
I'm not saying this literally. I'm simply wondering if it would be probable to found a new breed by breeding Throughbreds, Friesians, Arabians and Palominos. I know that there might be a slight problem fine-tuning the muscle structure and the skeleton and all that, and the types of blood might interfere, but I'm willing to spend both the time and the money. Actually, it's been stuck in my head for a while, and I wanted to know if theres any breeders here who would know if the blood types interfere.Brain sage (talk) 00:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Um, first off, we have Paints on the list, see American Paint Horse. Second, Palominos aren't a breed, they are an incomplete dominant dilution color than can never become true-breeding (see equine coat color genetics). They already cross TBs and Arabs on Friesians, see Friesian Sporthorse. Everyone wants to start a new "breed" these days, note there are over 300 on this list. (sigh) Sorry to be snarky, I've just been on the team that is tagging and assessing all of these, and man some of the articles are a mess! Montanabw(talk) 05:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
