Talk:List of castles in England

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Does Maiden Castle count? It's more of a hill fort than a castle, but... --Steinsky 22:48, 7 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Is Winchester Palace a palace or a castle? It seems to be a Palace... Ian Cairns 10:58, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Colchester Castle is listed on this page as being "Privately Owned", which is incorrect. The article states ownership correctly.

This listing should be under the Traditional Counties of England, for most of the castles were built in feudal times and before the recent changes in government administration over boundaries. Castles are as useful today as the archaic address system, whereby one can write in the Trad. Co. form. The castles had a territorial system based upon the T.C. and this article is ignorant of it.

I disagree - the medieval counties were actually very different to the "traditional counties" anyway, and changed significantly over the medieval period. VivaEmilyDavies 20:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Does this page carry the same information that Category:Castles_In_England carries? Seems that there are two different areas with roughly the same information. Ianmccurdy 16:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I guess the advantage of a list is that these include mentions of castles that aren't really worthy of an article of their own accord.

Contents 1 Castle text 2 Fair use rationale for Image:EH icon.png 3 Greater Manchester 4 Fort or castle ? 5 Overhaul

[edit] Castle text

There is a big chunk of text on the castle page, headed 'Influence of castles in Britain' [[Castle#Influence_of_castles_in_Britain], which seems out of place on the general castle page. As it deals only with England (not Britain), from the 11th to 13th centuries, I wondered if there was any scope for moving the section onto this page. Any thoughts/suggestions? ::Supergolden:: 11:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the section should be made a standalone article linked from that article and from the relevant England historical articles. Saga City 12:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, move to Influence of castles in England then? Or, as an alternative, move this list page to List of castles in England, and move the section to Castles in England, with a view to expanding it into a proper overview of the subject. This is an idea that has been discussed regarding Castles in Scotland, and was generally met favourably, though not yet implemented. ::Supergolden:: 13:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I prefer the alternative you suggest, moving this page to List of castles in England (which fits better with the rest of the pages in Category:Lists of castles) and moving the section to Castles in England. There's much more to say about English castles (history, architecture, etc.) than simply their influence.

In any case, the section needs to be reworked - it seems to be taken from the 1911 Britannica (judging by the original diff. (Assuming it wasn't taken from this page which has the same content...) --David Edgar 17:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right, its from EB 1911 [1]. Definitely a need to expand, but its a start. I may just have to be bold and move this.::Supergolden:: 10:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:EH icon.png

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greater Manchester

Would anyone object if I were to make a separate table for the castles in Greater Manchester and move into it the castles that are now in the historic county of Cheshire, etc.? Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fort or castle ?

Not sure of your terms of reference, if a fort is classed as a castle then you have the Roman fort in Castlefields, Manchester. Forgive me if I am way off topic.......... Phil aka Geotek (talk) 02:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems to be there as Manchester Castle. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:35, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Not quite, Manchester Castle is different to the Roman fort in Manchester. It depends what your definition of a castle is. My own opinion is that Roman fortifications should not be included in this article, although the word castle derives from castellum, Latin for 'little fort' or 'refuge'. Nev1 (talk) 22:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Overhaul

In its present state, this article isn't very helpful, it's not much more than a list of names. I think maybe new tables need to be introduced with more information such as the dates of construction and perhaps the type of castle. Any thoughts on what else could be done to improve this? Nev1 (talk) 22:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)