Talk:Lancelot

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This article needs to be updated. It is now know that Sir Walter Map likely had nothing to do with the Prose Lancelot's creation.

Contents 1 Chevalier Mal Fet 2 Chretien 3 Suggestions 4 Cleanup tag 5 Early or Welsh references? 6 Awful book dump

[edit] Chevalier Mal Fet

I fail to see why the inclusion of a pseudonym here is not needed. Isopropyl 13:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It just doesn't need to go in the first sentence. If you want to add it to the appropriate part of the article, please do.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I've added it to T. H. White's section, as it is the title of his book on Lancelot. Cariel 05:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chretien

I editted the titels of Chrétien de Troyes's works. They are Cligès not Cligés and Le Chevalier à la Charette NOT de la charette.—Preceding unsigned comment added by DanMaroun (talk • contribs)

You're quite correct about Cliges, but "de la charette" is much more common than "à la Charette". --Cúchullain ^t/c 21:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions

I know it is not locked for me but since it is I am less inclined to alter it. It is basically sound but needs clean-up. One thing I noticed up front is that the very long sections look as though they could use some subsections. By the way here is a nice painting if anyone is inclined to put it in appropriately.Dave 15:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup tag

I put a cleanup tag on this article, because of several things:

• The already-pointed-out large block of text needs to be divided into subsections
• It has no references or ref section
• Needs to be checked against the WP:MOS criteria for the ordering of its sections.

Also, none of the reasons it was denied FA status seem to have been addressed, here Wrad 02:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

This article is mostly just a dump from the 1911 Britannica. It needs to be rewritten, but I'm not sure a cleanup tag is appropriate.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right. It is probably too general of a tag. Anyway, it needs fixing. It's Lancelot! We can't leave him with a blemish! :) Wrad 02:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion:

This Lancelot article needs not editing but complete replacement. The 1911 Britannica was good, but much of what this article says is now simply wrong. Not only was Walter Map dead when the cycle attributed to him was composed, but it is incorrect to say that there is no critical edition of the prose Lancelot. And some of the material naturally reflects the bias of scholars like Jessie Weston (who wrote for the 1911 Britannica) and others whose views are now disputed or discarded. Despite the excellent and well-deserved reputation of the Britannica 5th, a 96-year-old article on Chretien, the prose Lancelot, etc. is of little use and passes on a good deal of incorrect or misleading information. Njl2 16:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I certainly agree with you. Even in English there's a very good edition of the complete Lancelot-Grail cycle now, and at least one translation of just the Prose Lancelot that I know of. This needs a complete rewrite.--Cúchullain ^t/c 02:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Early or Welsh references?

I've never seen Lancelot in any early or native British literature. Is he just a fiction made up by later continental authors? ---G.T.N. (talk) 23:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Awful book dump

This article is hardly the proper tone for wikipedia. Fine for a private book or treatise, but not a public encyclopedia. 68.101.130.214 (talk) 09:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)