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[edit] Cleanup?
I just noticed you made an edit to Ralph Merkle with the edit comment: "m (clean up using AWB)". But all you had done was to remove an empty line before the category listing in the end of the article. There is no need to remove such double lines in the end of articles, it makes no visual change in the article. Those double lines actually make it easier for editors to keep the article text and the category and interwiki links in the end of the article apart. And making meaningless edits like that just wastes the time of other editors who watches those articles. Since when we see that an edit has occurred we go there to check what has been done. (And it wastes database space too, but that is less important since Wikipedia has no lack of disk space.)
--David Göthberg 02:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yep, you're using AWB for too-minor edits. - Dudesleeper · Talk 02:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Sorry about that...I haven't used AWB since version 2.something and just started using version 4.0. The interface is just different enough that I accidentally made changes to several articles I really did mean to ignore. LaMenta3 00:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Oh, he. Accidents do happen. Unfortunately there are no good tools for my OS so I am stuck with old school slow Wikipedia editing, so I have no idea how it is to work with the kind of tools like AWB. --David Göthberg 01:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] lots of porn actress Afd's
Hi, it looks like every porn actress with a stub tag is being listed for deletion. I noticed that you put the notice of one to the project porn's deletion watch list, there might be more to add. (some seem like they are not notable enough, but I don't know enough about the subject). --Rocksanddirt 21:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- well....the person behind it seems to be making a point, not entirely related to a deletionist minds set. I'm not in for a week or so, so I'll not be able to be much help. --Rocksanddirt 21:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikimania Atlanta
Hello, Thank you for volunteering to be a part of the Atlanta Wikimaina bid southeast team. We are holding meetings weekdays at 7:30pm EDT in #wikimania-atlanta on irc.freenode.org. For more information about IRC see m:Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta/IRC. If you are able to make it, that would be great.
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[edit] WikiProject Georgia Tech
Whoops! I tagged this by mistake and can provide no rational explanation, though I suspect brain rot exacerbated by loss of concentration (the phone kept ringing while I was working through a huge list of potential candidates). Sorry, and good luck with your project! --ROGER DAVIES TALK 06:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikimaina Atlanta meeting
We will be holding a meeting tonight at 9:30pm EDT in #wikimania-atlanta on irc.freenode.org. For more information about IRC see m:Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta/IRC. Please try to be at this meeting as it is one of the last ones before bidding ends and we still have lots that need to be discussed. --Cspurrier 19:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Have an award!
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| You rock out loud. :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 16:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC) |
[edit] Wikimania 2008/Conference of the Americas
Hello, As you may or may not know, Alexandria, Egypt was selected to host Wikimania 2008 [1]. So as to prevent the hard work of the many Wikimedians involved in the Atlanta bid from going to waste, we have decided to host a conference for the Americas. This is in no way an attempt to compete with Wikimania or make a statement against Wikimania.
As one of the people signed up to help with the Wikimania Atlanta bid, we hope you will join us at the Wikimedia Conference of the Americas. We will be having a meeting tonight in IRC tonight (Oct 15) at 9:30PM in #cota-atlanta on irc.freenode.org to discuss the conference. For more information about IRC see [2].
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[edit] award
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| For turning the tide of discussion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of high school football rivalries (less than 100 years old). Keep up the good work.--Lenticel (talk) 22:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC) |
[edit] Dear LaMenta
I haven't had the pleasure of knowing who you are before, but I believe the below comment may be pertinent:
Comment. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to believe any of the claims made by Robert Young. In a comment above made from an IP address, Young says "there's a big difference between 'rat catcher for the local council' and in charge of the world's oldest people for the entire planet". If someone who claims to be a researcher thinks that they are "in charge of the world's oldest people for the entire planet", I have to seriously question whether anything they write can be trusted. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems that the more evidence I present, the more user BHG resorts to negative attacks such as the one above. Pick up a 2007 or 2008 Guinness Book, hardcover. I'm on page 2. Yet the response has been uniformly unfair, negative remarks such as that above.Ryoung122 12:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- I don't particularly care to get in the middle of this dispute, however, I do see that you have over 7,000 edits on the English Wikipedia. I'm not sure what space of time that you made those edits in, but I would assume that you've been editing for awhile. In that time, I'm surprised that you haven't come up against something like this before, as there is a pretty strong push against anything that even looks like a conflict of interest. Provided, I think a lot of that is unfair and unnecessary, there's not much that one person can do to push back too much against what often amounts to a mob :mentality. However, WP:COI does exist for a reason, and I recognize that, though I think some people let the policy (and other policies) rule over :common sense sometimes.
- I am also surprised that in the time that you've been here, you haven't been socialized properly in the use of talk pages and non-mainspace discussion pages. While this isn't nearly as big of a problem as BrownHairedGirl seems to be making it out to be (I recognize that it's an honest mistake), I do strongly suggest that you avoid breaking up people's comments and discuss things in a threaded format in the future. If you find it necessary to respond to specific statements or questions, copy and paste them into your reply and offset them using bold and/or italic text, indentions, or whatever you like, and then respond to them that way. I see that you have been directed to pertinent policy pages about discussion page etiquette, so I won't bother with that. Just give them a skim if you haven't already.
- Also to the point of discussion etiquette, as I'm sure you've noticed by now, you've got to be really careful about the way you word things lest someone twist them around on you. Of course you can always go back and say, "you've twisted my words; that's not at all what I meant," but that usually degenerates into pointless squabbling and is completely counterproductive. It also seems that you keep swapping back and forth between editing while logged in and while not logged in. Again, while this can be a more than honest mistake, it could be viewed as sockpuppetry, which is generally discouraged. For this, I would suggest either double-checking that you are logged in before posting, or getting into the habit of previewing before you post so that you can see that you forgot to log in. Or, worst-case, if you still post as an IP when you thought you were logged in, just log in, go back, and correct the signature. It happens to the best of us. :)
- I also suggest that you look over WP:AUTO if you haven't already. I gave the page a skim before !voting (that's "not-voting," if you're not familiar -- a Wikipediaism that is used to describe weighing in on a discussion for lack of a better word, because AfD and the like are not a vote) on your AfD, and while it seems that you have bumped up against the policy a bit in creating and editing the article, it also seems that you did it in good faith, and you've managed to remain amazingly neutral and objective in the content. WP:BLP is also kind of pertinent to the deletion discussion, because as you are living, there's a higher standard for inclusion of pretty much any statement in an article about you, in that everything pretty much has to be sourced, no exceptions, no tolerance for anything else. Well, that's how it's carried out, anyway, even if it's obvious that the subject of the article edited in line with the WP:AUTO policy as to completely factual statements. Unfortunately, this makes keeping a BLP at AfD very difficult if every single thing isn't backed up with impeccable sources. It's unfortunate, as it results in the deletion of a lot of perfectly good information, but it's also kind of necessary from a legal standpoint, as Wikipedia has an interest in covering it's own ass, which is quite understandable.
- With all that said (I'm really long-winded, sorry), it's more than likely that the article about you will be deleted. I'm really sorry about that. It seems to me that it would be worth keeping as you have made some significant contributions to your field. However, before it's deleted, you can always userfy the content, that is, move it to your userspace, either as a subpage or a part of your user page since it is about you. (There are very few rules about userspace content, and moving the content of the article to your user page shouldn't be objectionable since it is about you, which is usually what user pages are used for.) If you need any help with that, I'll be happy to give you a hand. I really hope that even after this negative experience that you'll continue contributing, as it seems to me that you have a very specific field of expertise -- something that is always useful around here. You appear to have made many significant and helpful contributions in your area on Wikipedia, and having your article deleted shouldn't discourage you from continuing with your educational mission or make you believe that it has failed.
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- LaMenta, First I'd like to mention that, ironically, I live near GA Tech. Though I've never met you, let me know if you'd like to meet in person (perhaps a coffee shop). Now, it may LOOK like that losing the 'non-vote' on the AFD page is a loss, I won't see it that way. If someone else decides to re-start my article at a later date, it wouldn't start with the almost-insurmountable problem of WP:AUTO. The page there suggested that it is not 'set in stone' but apparently, it is. The irony is that, even for those 'voting' against me, many have now learned who I am, so in a way they have 'lost'. I'm only 33 and at the start of my career. That I'm already cited in thousands of publications must be irritating to some nay-sayers who were certain I was a nobody. One can only imagine how this will look if things go according to plan (healthwise, careerwise) in 20 years, forty years. I already have some 'knockout' offers within the next year that, if they come to fruition, would make another incarnation of my article unassailable. So, it's like a baseball game...if the other team scored 11 runs and you scored 9, well it's still one game. It's a 'loss' but you can come back the next day and start over. Which I will do.
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- Funny, National Public Radio, CNN, CBS, NBC, BBC, as well as major scientific publications, all found my work 'notable.' But not Wikipedia. If every bio article on Wikipedia were held to the same scrutiny as this one, guess what? Probably 60% would be gone. So, for now I will focus on nominating those articles for deletion that really shouldn't exist. If the 'mob mentality' is in deletionist mode, well play the market for deletion.
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- Ryoung122 23:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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- I'm certainly glad that you won't view the deletion of your article as a loss. And you are quite correct in pointing out that it will likely be recreated at some point. If it makes you feel any better, you're not the only person who is notable in a niche area that has had to fight tooth and nail to defend their notability when more "mainstream" figures that are arguably less notable are left alone. I have an acquaintance who is a cryptographer, and she and her father, along with a few other people, cracked one of the world's most famous unsolved codes a couple of years back. Her father was also the co-author of a paper that NASA used to put its first geo-synchronous satellites in orbit. So far, she and some other reasonable editors have managed to defend the article about her from deletion, but it is still a bit of a hot-button deletion topic that people like to try and pull up every so often. The article on her father was eventually deleted because there was no immediate way to prove that he had worked on the research team that published the paper on geo-synchronous orbit and actually made it happen, because when the paper records were archived online, only the names of project leads and the names of the first author listed on the papers got entered. It's a shortcoming of Wikipedia, certainly, but more specifically it's a shortcoming of the AfD process, as more and more people are forgetting such important tenets such as WP:DEADLINE (there is no deadline) and WP:IAR (ignore all rules), as well as guidelines of lesser importance such as WP:PROBLEM, which is one of my favorites lately.
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- I will warn you that nominating a lot of questionably notable biographical entries in the wake of the deletion of your article might come off as a little point-y, so tread lightly in that regard.
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[edit] Userboxes
Your user boxes say 'User:Disavian' underneath, did you copy without renaming? Or do you have two profiles? Just wondering.Ryoung122 12:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- They were userfied by a friend of mine back when it was decided that most userboxes needed to be moved out of mainspace as per the Wikipedia:German solution. I just pulled the templates from his userspace rather than duplicating them on mine. LaMenta3 18:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] RFCU/SSP
RE: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Legacy7
Before I realized you already submitted a checkuser request, I made a sockpuppet report for the same person.
See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/74.244.11.122.
Rjd0060 18:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
- 74.244.11.122 added this, which was removed. It was then re-added by 70.46.67.98 here which was removed and re-added again by Legacy7 here. All accounts became active within a couple days of eachother, and all edits on all 3 are to related subjects and all 3 accounts have made the exact same edit. I think they are all the same, but it could be a really really close coincidence, as any SSP case can be. - Rjd0060 18:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
- Same thing. Lyman Hall is part of Georgia Tech! We'll just let whoever handle it on SSP, but I have a very strong feeling that they are the same. I guess I am not explaining it right to you. - Rjd0060 19:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for leaving the comment on the report. I now understand what you mean. Sorry about that. I don't think there is any way to change it now though. Is there? - Rjd0060 04:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- I mean as far as the SSP page, since I titled it with the .122 IP, I cannot change that. - Rjd0060 05:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- The comments on the report page should be sufficient, shouldn't they? - Rjd0060 05:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- I am sure I could move it and I did think about it but then it would leave an empty redirect page (original) which I'd have to tag for deletion and it would be a mess. I am not going to do anything further, as your explanation is very good. When admin comes around I am sure they will see what is going on there. Thanks for the help. - Rjd0060 05:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- The comments on the report page should be sufficient, shouldn't they? - Rjd0060 05:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright problems
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changing a couple words doesn't change the fact that it's a copyvio, reinstate speedy. If you want it kept, write an original article that meets WP:V. VivianDarkbloom (talk) 17:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3
Thank you again for all your support throughout my RfA process, especially that you took the time to do some detailed research and offer a thoughtful summary of your findings. Now that things are resolved, I'm going to take things very slowly and gradually phase into my use of the tools. Plus of course it's the holiday season, so there are plenty of off-wiki distractions! Have a good holiday season yourself, Elonka 01:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cultural bias and WP:BIO
Thanks for the note, LaMenta. It's my position that the guideline, if "treated with common sense and the occasional exception"-- as stated in the guideline-- would not be biased... The problem comes when editors follow the letter of the rules-- whatever they happen to say this week-- in order to delete articles from a wide diversity of areas, cultures, etc... What can be done? I'm not sure. I'd be happy to give input at a discussion though. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 22:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Here's a humorous (I think) example of non-English bias... I was recently tagged as a Vandal for wishing people "Happy New Year" in Korean & Japanese! (The tagger did apologize later.) I agree with what you say, but still not sure how we go about setting up rules which accomodate all language/cultures relatively equally for the literal-minded deletionist... On this specific Japanese example, I know that actresses just like the ones that are currently up for deletion appear in media all over the country. I also know that the Japanese, understandably, don't go out of their way to share this aspect of their culture with the non-Japanese. The Pink film which made up, at times in the 1960s and 1970s, up to 70% of the domestic film output, is only now getting some English-language coverage... I would think giving an eye to Japanese Wiki, and seeing what their own editors decide upon would give us some clue. But then I've seen editors here shout down any hint of letting "them" tell "us" what to include in "our" encyclopedia. What to do? I don't know... Dekkappai (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Pou
Please note that an author who has had 7 books published in hardcover by Doubleday (publisher) is de facto notable. May I ask why you felt otherwise? DS (talk) 06:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- The article was linked to another that was up for deletion both in the literal sense and in the sense that it was created by the same contributor as the one who had created the article about her husband, both in a short time span. Judging by the WP:BIO requirements for authors as I understood them and also due to the lack of sources regarding the books themselves (aside from blurb mentions in a regular NYT feature), combined with the questionable nature of some of the article creator's other contributions and his abusive attitude at AfD, the article raised a lot of red flags for me. (The latter problem I didn't want to mention as it has nothing to do with the article's merit itself, but it made me question its reliability, if that makes sense.) I didn't mean to be so obstinate about the deletion about the article, but no one was really doing anything to help bring those red flags down much, particularly the article's creator and main contributor, who wasn't particularly constructive in his comments, instead making ad hominem attacks, which is generally another red flag in deletion discussions about articles of questionable notability. One editor was rather constructive, which I acknowledged, and I actively continued looking for more information myself every time I checked up on the AFD. If you read my comments throughout the discussion, which I hope you did as the closing admin, you know that I generally consider myself an inclusionist, sometimes to a fault, but occasionally less-than-apparent issues arise where I will question an article and its adherence to Wikipedia's guidelines, hence my bringing it to AfD. LaMenta3 (talk) 08:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] AfD question: Recombinant text
I have very little experience in AfD matters, and am asking for your input before nominating an article for deletion, because, quite frankly, I do not want to be seen as someone who capriciously nominates articles which do not meet AfD standards.
If you have time, please take a look at this article. It was created by the person who—as the intro asserts—is the very person who coined the term. Most of the edits are by that person. Most, if not all, of the sources link back to this person. I mean, at best it appears to me to constitute OR, at worst, self-promotion. But maybe I'm seeing it wrong. What do you think?
I selected you and many other editors pretty much completely at random; I picked one day's AfD archives, and clicked on the talk pages of the first two or three dozen editors' talk pages I came across. I hope that in using this selection method, I will get editors who are well-versed in AfD policies, yet who also represent a good cross-section of AfD philosophies. I will monitor your talk page for your response. Thanks. Unschool (talk) 07:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Project Chanology
Thanks for all of your help. Cirt (talk) 06:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed, epic lulz for all, heck I even saw someone critical of the movement use that term recently, so epic lulz all around. :) Cirt (talk) 06:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hair Care article
I noticed on the Hair Care article you mentioned you had copied it to your Sandbox and were working on re-vamping the page. I was wondering how you were coming along with this, or if you had already posted your changes, as your comment was quite a while ago. I have practically no experience doing Wiki edits but I would definitely like to edit the article for structure, accurate content (to the best of my knowledge) and style. The article rambles quite a bit, and seems to devote unnecessary effort to discussing or reminding the reader of definitions and facts (such as hair structure) already in the Hair article. It presents strange statements that to me seem not only uninformed but factually inaccurate (such as that hair looks greasy because you sweat and then don't wash the sweat out).
I don't have an account but I will check back here on your user page to see if you have replied to my message. 69.178.142.131 (talk) 00:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)L
- It's still hanging around in my sandbox...I worked on it a little, but never got around to finishing it. I'm usually pretty busy, and I was hoping that my post to the talk page would get other people to help with it. If you want to help clean it up, feel free. LaMenta3 (talk) 02:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quickie (sex)
Hey, I've had to overturn this AfD closure due to the fact that there were many delete votes still. In order for an AfD to close due to withdrawl, there must be no delete/transwiki votes. This is because even though the nominator changes their decision, other people still think it should be deleted, which is basically another AfD. I hope you don't take this the wrong way. Thanks! Soxred93 | talk bot 05:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Original Barnstar
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| To LaMenta3, for your tireless contributions and improvements to List of high school football rivalries (less than 100 years old)Congratulations! (you have kept that page alive.) - 67knight (talk) 18:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)(page creator) |
[edit] Living it up a little
A little vandalism doesn't hurt anyone,amirite? lulz xD! Anonymous (group) Does not forgive,Anonymous does not forget. ^^. It's soon to be a deleted articile anyways. so why not trash it? Related Topic: West Side highschool. Are you using Sockpuppets.Cause i think you are...--Oribas4th (talk) 02:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- I can assure you that this is the only account I have ever had on Wikipedia. Please assume good faith. I have worked with a number of other contributors, some whom I know personally, some whom I don't, on the Westside High School article. I am also quite aware that Anonymous does not forgive or forget, but if you're looking for lulz, gb2/b/. Wikipedia vandalism isn't really lulzy anyway. LaMenta3 (talk) 07:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
