User talk:La goutte de pluie

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This is my virtual personal high-rise HDB-style community meeting centre - or more commonly, my talk page. Aiyah, just leave a message, complaint or suggestion ah, discuss frankly and casually no problem leh. Just like organisation though. Please leave new comments not related to existing ones by using sections. I will address them as soon as possible on this page; there may be occasions where I may feel this warrants replying on their page. As of January 10, 2006, whenever I finish such a reply, I will mark the initial comment as replied to. A list of talk page archives is available. I have summarised the highlights of each archive.

Gregbard 07:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Military history WikiProject coordinator selection

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[edit] Military history WikiProject coordinator election

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Homerun_poster.jpg

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[edit] Singapore Airlines fleet

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[edit] 'allo Spike

Still about above g0? Miss your edits Miss. --maxrspct ping me 20:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, miss your edits... The world has changed, Terence has left... sigh. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 01:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

It's been really tough getting back in the mood; in the past spending too much time was a problem. But now seems ripe though! It definitely has changed; 'twas a bit sad reading stuff about the Wikipedian community (as well as the Singaporean subcommunity) in both the local and world news but not being in it. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (Be eudaimonic!) 01:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Saltine

Thanks for your intervention in this matter. I'm very new at this, and you've been around a long time, and so I value both your judgment and your knowledge of the way things are/have been. I think there might be a little bit more of the vandal in this young man's character than you may have seen -- I'm extremely pessimistic about the possibility of getting anything useable from his contributions -- but I would like to think that one of the guiding principles of Wikipedia is that we try to include everyone, and I feel a little bad that I didn't try harder to include this individual. I wish you well in working with him, if you care to, and if there's something I can do to be of assistance, in this respect or in any other, you have but to ask. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singapore girls school

The reason I removed the earring comment is because it has been changed back and forth several times over the past couple months. Rather than there being ongoing flip-flopping, I removed it; surely there is a dress code posted on the school's website that could be used to source this. As for the bra comment, I originally got involved with this page because someone was spreading their fetish across wikipedia like mustard across a delicious, delicious ham sandwich; ergo, I've taken a dim view of those whose exclusive actions on wikipedia are to focus on the color of sports bras in Singaporean girls' schools. The page gets an unduly amount of attention on those particular items. WLU (talk) 22:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but the bra colour issue was in the national news a while ago -- in some schools, if one wore one of a forbidden colour, the bra was confiscated (and the student is supplied with a replacement -- or in some cases, none at all). It's not so much as a fetish issue as one that has hit national attention. The entire revert war is rather trivial, anyhow. I've never attended NYGH, but I am sure it can be easily sourced, if it is worth the bother. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (Be eudaimonic!) 23:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

And if fetish boy had added said national news story, I would have wikified his work and let it be, but he (or she) just kept spamming redundant, unnecessary info about bras. The user in question had mostly edits to S&M pages and many other contributions were just adding spurious info about bras and sports bras to various pages related to Singaporean girls wearing uniforms. Anyway, the revert war over the earrings was what I was referring to above, I don't really care either way but the fact that people keep saying earrings are allowed/no they're not means (in my mind) the info should stay out until it's sourced. That whole bra thing would be actually a good addition were any news stories to mention NYGH specifically, so I might even google it. Huzzah! For once I'm adding content rather than just editing pre-existing! Thanks for the clarification of the issue, it actually explains things somewhat. WLU (talk) 00:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Stymied! No dress code appears to be on-line extant, which seems odd. Anyway, if you feel strongly that the earring or bra info should stay up, I don't feel so strongly as to argue about it. Thanks for the clarification though. WLU (talk) 00:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh interesting. I never checked the contribs of our anonymous contributor. The news story was while ago (a year I think), and as I recall, the schools involved weren't identified but there was strong suspicion one of them was NYGH. I need to google this again. Anyway, since I know some people from NYGH, I might go ask them. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (Be eudaimonic!) 00:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, without a reliable source beyond off-line people from NYGH, the revert wars may linger like a dead woodchuck under the porch. Though you could probably cite any material sent home with said students... On-line sources are my preference, but paper still works. I don't care either way about earrings or bras, I just don't want fetish-boy mustarding all over wikipedia (blatant plug of my essay) and the reverting is just kinda silly. WLU (talk) 13:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Auschwitz (& in general) lengthily protection violates policy

The discussion came up in a few last comments to the contention, whether Wikipedia allows to present a controversy in a neutral manner, or - not. My point has been that NPOV allows it in the sentence "Debates within topics are described, represented and characterized...". Also, WP:LEAD explicitly advocates "briefly describing its [topic's] notable controversies", which "Holocaust revisionism" definitely is. Do you think that an opposition to unprotecting Auschwitz has been defeated successfully, so it can actually be implemented, or they just abandoned the discussion at Wp:an#Auschwitz (& in general) lengthily protection violates policy, please? Sincerely, -70.18.5.219 (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

As the protecting admin, I will comment: The article Auschwitz concentration camp and some other articles, mainly but not exclusively related to the holocaust, have in the past been the targets of persistent, ongoing and offensive vandalism by unregistered users. The object of the protection is to prevent this. Any registered editor who has been a wikipedia member for a few days can edit this article. I see no reason to allow vandals to do so. The policy to indefinitely protect this and related articles was agreed by community consensus after extensive discussion, and I see no reason why this decision should be questioned at this time. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 21:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Meetup/Singapore 4

Singapore Meetup
Meetup 5
Status: Currently being planned Date: 2008 Please indicate your interest at the meetup page.
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Hi La goutte de pluie, you have been invited to attend the SGpedians' meetup on 29 December 2007. We are planning to make this a full day event, but you may join/leave at anytime you wish. If you can or cannot make it, please leave your name here. It will be good to have you at the meetup. Terence (talk) 08:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] verification etc.

many thanks for your help. Trying to put things right!Lynn Huggins - Cooper (talk) 19:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] A request for your consideration regarding CAT:AOTR

Hello fellow Wikipedia administrators open to recall category member!

I am leaving you this message because recent events have given me concern. When Aaron Brenneman and I, and others, first developed this category well over a year ago, we visualized it as a simple idea. A low hassle, low bureaucracy process. We also visualized it as a process that people would come to trust, in fact as a way of increasing trust in those admins who chose to subscribe to the notion of recall. The very informal approach to who is qualified to recall, what happens during it, and the process in general were all part of that approach. But recent events have suggested that this low structure approach may not be entirely effective. More than one of the recent recalls we have seen have been marred by controversy around what was going to happen, and when. Worse, they were marred by some folk having the perception, rightly or wrongly, that the admin being recalled was trying to change the rules, avoid the process, or in other ways somehow go back on their word. This is bad. It's bad for you the admin, bad for the trust in the process, and bad for the community as a whole. I think a way to address this issue is to increase the predictability of the process in advance. I have tried to do that for myself. In my User:Lar/Accountability page, I have given pretty concrete definitions of the criteria for recall, and of the choices I can make, and of the process for the petition, and of the process for other choices I might make (the modified RfC or the RfAr). I think it would be very helpful if other admins who have voluntarily made themselves subject to recall went to similar detail. It is not necessary to adopt the exact same conditions, steps, criteria, etc. It's just helpful to have SOME. Those are mine, fashion yours as you see fit, I would not be so presumptuous as to say mine are right for you. In fact I urge you not to just adopt mine, as I do change them from time to time without notice, but instead develop your own. You are very welcome to start with mine if you so wish, though. But do something. If you have not already, I urge you to make your process more concrete, now, while there is no pressure and you can think clearly about what you want. Do it now rather than later, during a recall when folk may not react well to perceived changes in process or commitment. Further, I suggest that after you document your process, that you give a reference to it for the benefit of other admins who may want to see what others have done. List it in this table as a resource for the benefit of all. If you use someone else's by reference rather than copy, I suggest you might want to do as Cacharoth did, and give a link to a specific version. Do you have to do these things? Not at all. These are suggestions from me, and me alone, and are entirely up to you to embrace or ignore. I just think that doing this now, thinking now, documenting now, will save you trouble later, if you should for whatever reason happen to be recalled. I apologise if this message seems impersonal, but with over 130 members in the category, leaving a personal message for each of you might not have been feasible, and I feel this is important enough to violate social norms a bit. I hope that's OK. Thanks for your time and consideration, and best wishes. Larry Pieniazek NOTE: You are receiving this message because you are listed in the Wikipedia administrators open to recall category. This is a voluntary category, and you should not be in it if you do not want to be. If you did not list yourself, you may want to review the change records to determine who added you, and ask them why they added you.

...My guinea pigs and the "A"s through "K"s having felt this message was OK to go forward with (or at least not complained bitterly to me about it :) ), today it's the turn of the "L"s through "O"s! I'm hoping that more of you chaps/chapettes will point to their own criteria instead of mine :)... it's flattering but a bit scary! :) Also, you may want to check back to the table periodically, someone later than you in the alphabet may have come up with a nifty new idea. ++Lar: t/c 00:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Game of Go Position 13x13 NC

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[edit] What on earth are you up to?

Last I heard (from Arachnid), you were doing your A Levels? Aren't you about to go to uni now? I would bug you via email, except that I feel fairly confident you check your talk page more often/as often as you do your email (considering you get notified of new messages any time you open a Wikipedia page). Johnleemk | Talk 06:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BISMUN Deletion

First of all I will say that it is not my school. Secondly, I don't see how you can say that it is not warranted since it does not fit on the Model UN page. It is a description of a current MUN conference, not a description of what MUN actually is. There is a page consisting of the Harvard MUN conference, why not the Bath one considering it is the largest conference in the UK. Please reply to me as I think you are wrong with your deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattbudd54 (talk • contribs) 10:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Conflicts in Ming Dynasty

Hi, La goutte de pluie. Could you please have a look at the article Ming Dynasty? I pasted a map, ming_1443.png, drawn by Sinomap Press, ISBN 7503103841. However there are some guys who don't agree with the position of Tibet in the map, even though I cited plenty of sources to prove that Tibet was in Ming China at that period. The discussion is in deadlock at present, I beg you to make a judgment in the article, please just stay neutral! Thanks!--LaGrandefr (talk) 11:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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