Talk:Islands of the Clyde
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The number of islands on this list depends on the boundaries defining the "Lower Firth of Clyde." I have added
- Pladda (south of Arran)
- Inchmarnock (to the west of Bute), although that could be considered as being in Loch Fyne.
- Ailsa Craig (in the outer reaches, but a very well-known landmark to all vessels entering or leaving the Clyde)
- Davaar (off Campbeltown)
BlairRMartin 15:25, 2005 Feb 10 (UTC)
I think all those islands belong on the page. They are definitely not Hebrides so they belgon to the Clyde I reckon.
As a result I've also added the islands in the Kyles of Bute and the Sanda group.
I think the title of the page is a little over verbose though, Islands of the Clyde would be simpler and communicate more I think. I might change it in a while if nobody thinks otherwise. Neil McDermott 15:45, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Inner Hebrides?
I would describe these islands as part of the Inner Hebrides, yet no mention is made of them there, nor of the Inner Hebrides here. What do others think?--Mais oui! 22:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldn't agree, their human histories have been sufficiently different from those of the Hebrides that they aren't grouped together. --JBellis 20:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Agree with JBellis, and whilst I can't find a precise definition the Collins Encyclopedia of Scotland describes the Inner Hebrides as lying 'east of the Minch' and I have never heard anyone describe Arran as being in 'The Hebrides'. I have just completed what I hope is a helpful tidy up of island categories. See Category talk:Islands of Scotland. Ben MacDui 20:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC) PS You were of course right re Movern Mais oui!. I ran out of things to say and cheated a little. Long may the Auld Alliance bear fruit!
- Encylopedia Britannica (1978) says “Hebrides - group of islands of the west coast of Scotland extending in an arc between 55.35 and 58.30 N and 5.26 and 8.40 W.” This includes Gigha, St.Kilda and everything up to Cape Wrath – although not for some reason, North Rona. It’s not unequivocal, but as neither this nor the Collins Encyclopaedia of Scotland include the Clyde, I rest my case. I will copy something similar on the Category talk:Islands of Scotland page. Ben MacDui 19:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm taking out his sentence "They are often mistakenly grouped with the Hebrides, but technically, the Hebrides are the islands to the west of Kintyre and the Argyll coast." The article should define what the islands are, not what they aren't & besides the first sentence already partly describes the relationships between the clyde and the hebrides. What we really need (as JBellis has said above) is a little on the social and economic histories of the area to demostrate why the islands are different.Neil McDermott 18:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- Encylopedia Britannica (1978) says “Hebrides - group of islands of the west coast of Scotland extending in an arc between 55.35 and 58.30 N and 5.26 and 8.40 W.” This includes Gigha, St.Kilda and everything up to Cape Wrath – although not for some reason, North Rona. It’s not unequivocal, but as neither this nor the Collins Encyclopaedia of Scotland include the Clyde, I rest my case. I will copy something similar on the Category talk:Islands of Scotland page. Ben MacDui 19:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Agree with JBellis, and whilst I can't find a precise definition the Collins Encyclopedia of Scotland describes the Inner Hebrides as lying 'east of the Minch' and I have never heard anyone describe Arran as being in 'The Hebrides'. I have just completed what I hope is a helpful tidy up of island categories. See Category talk:Islands of Scotland. Ben MacDui 20:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC) PS You were of course right re Movern Mais oui!. I ran out of things to say and cheated a little. Long may the Auld Alliance bear fruit!
[edit] Island Template
I have created a Template:Infobox Scottish island for use with Scottish islands which is based on the existing Template:Infobox Scotland place but which contains parameters which may be more useful for smaller islands which don't have their own police force or Lord Lieutenant. Comments are welcome on the associated talk page.
I have created it as a template for all Scottish islands and used an image of a longboat next to the Saltire to emphasise the difference with the Scotland place Template. The said image is called Image:McdonaldBoat.jpg. Before ancient foes of Clan Donald complain, I am assured by User:Calgacus that the proper name for this image is a 'Lymphad' and that its was actually purloined from the Russian wikipedia. He also points out that the same image appears for example at the bottom of Image:Norse-Gael_Warrior.PNG[1] and the Sinclair Orkney arms [2] [3] which suggests to me that the lymphad may be appropriate for all our isles whether they have a primarily Celtic or primarily Norse history. This note has been copied in various places including Talk:Orkney Talk:Shetland Talk:Hebrides Talk:Islands of the Clyde etc.
An example of the template may be found at:Flannan Isles
There is space for references. Groupings and population information are available at List of islands of Scotland the latter being based on the 2001 census. Area measurements for the 162 islands of 100 acres or more in size are available in Haswell-Smith, Hamish. (2004) The Scottish Islands. Edinburgh. Canongate. I'd be happy to pass the relevant numbers on if needed, although I doubt I am going to get around to listing all 162. There is more on this subject at Template talk:Infobox Scottish island. Ben MacDui (Talk) 10:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Eilean Dearg (or Eilean Dearg, Loch Riddon)
Hallo, this island has a redlink from this article under the name with "Loch Riddon", and a redlink from the Islands of the Clyde template without it. And, to add interest, it doesn't seem to be mentioned in List of islands of Scotland. Someone might like to sort it out? (I've made a similar comment on the talk page of the list). PamD (talk) 16:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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- I've found it on the Ordance Survey and on the Canmore Database. It should be possible to create a stub article based on that info. There is also another Eilean Dearg, off Knoydart. Lurker (said · done) 17:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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