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Contents 1 Ireland 2 The Airland wha? 3 Which Ireland? 4 Italian Portal 5 Advertisement on frontpage?! 6 Font? 7 Testing the waters 8 Flag 9 Subpages

Ireland

Maybe we should have Ireland and the title in Ulster-Scots too? Maybe not, but ya know... - Dalta 17:12, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, Gaeilge is one of two official languages of the Republic of Ireland. Ulster Scots is really only a recognized language in Northern Ireland, holding the same status as Gaeilge there, and too many people regard that as a reaction by Orangeman over the recognition of Irish in Northern Ireland. Besides, aren't there more speakers of Hindi in Ireland than Ulster-Scots? ℬastique▼^talk 04:05, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Really? thats a nice bit of information. Did you know theres more Chinese in Dublin alone than members of the travelling community in all of Ireland. Our demographics are changing so quickly. CGorman 09:32, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There are more speakers of Chinese in Ireland than of Irish, so should we take down Éire as a result? You could easily argue that Irish is a pointless language kept alive by nationalist sentiments as a way to differentiate from Britain. If this is a truely all-Ireland wikiportal, all official languages should be recognised, which would include Ulster-Scots. - Dalta 22:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've decided to be bold and stick in Tha Airlann Wikisteid. My Ulster-Scots is practically nought, but I think that that would fit. Plus, according to Ulster_Scots_language#Who_speaks_it, Ullans is as widely spoken by nationalists in NI as unionists. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 13:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So, there's one on either side of the divide, isn't that nice? (boom, boom). - Dalta 23:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You know that "As widely" means "none of either". I'm from Ulster. "Ulster Scots" is completely made up, and how the hell it got official status I don't know... --Kiand 02:44, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and its about as much of a seperate language as saying Cork has a seperate languagex - its just taking the accent a bit more extreme, and spelling it like that. Its like reading a 4 year olds first scrawling in school. --Kiand 02:47, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

And which side would you be on? Not that that really makes a difference, it's an officially recognised language(well, kind of), so deserves recognition on an Ireland wikiportal. Most of those English sub-languages are bolox, in my view, but it's not for us to judge. - Dalta

I'm from Donegal. I'm neiter catholic nor protestant, I'm neither unionist nor nationalist. Take what you want from that. I'll still associate Ulster Scots with bowler hats and sashes, and bad use of Irish out of place and with atrocious grammar with people shouting "Tiocfaidh ar la" and painting the sides of buildings... --Kiand 17:48, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ulster Scots is perhaps more of a dialect than a language. However, just because there is methodology of spelling most words phonetically, and that the grammar is different (not necessarily "attrocious"), doesn't mean that it doesn't have validity. Arguably, its spoken fluently by most people in Northern Ireland - even if they aren't aware of it. Words in the dialect are often sometimes archaic.. from Old English for example. The word 'crack' is one such word, which has even been adopted into Irish Gaelic. If you identify it with some 40,000 members of the Orange Order, some of whom wear bowler hats during parades, that's your problem though. --Mal 11:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Validity and legitimacy aren't in question here, this is an objective encyclopedia so should represent all officially-represented views. This is an all-Ireland wikiportal so should represent all sides equally, English, Irish and Ulster-Scots are all officially recognised languages on the island of Ireland, so all should be included with English given the priority cause this is an English wiki. If you want to translate the name into every language that anyone in Ireland can speak, go ahead, I'll back you, but I think the officially recognised languages are sufficient. - Dalta 18:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

The Airland wha?

Anyway, where's the Shelta? At least as deserving of inclusion. Palmiro | Talk 21:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion! Whenever you feel an article needs changing... you know where this is going :) I can't seem to find any online Shelta computing resources, so 'fraid I can't help. Anyone for a Yola version? --Kwekubo 18:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yola version? That would be fun! Wait... there's no Yola Wikipedia! Should we write one? Palmiro | Talk 18:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Which Ireland?

Given there is now a Portal:Northern Ireland, would it not be reasonable to refactor Portal:Ireland to be specifically for the Republic of Ireland? Or does it require a subportal as well?--cj | talk 09:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I created the Portal for two reasons:

1. To follow in line with the work that had been done for the other regions of the United Kingdom (I had previously created the [[Wikipedia:|Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board]] as per Wikipedia:UK Wikipedians' notice board#Future developments).
2. Because I felt there was a need for Northern Ireland-specific interests and as an aid to creating and improving Northern Irish-related articles.

I see no reason that a separate portal and/or notice board be developed for the interest specifically of the Republic of Ireland, as there is also a United Kingdom related notice board and a UK Portal. --Mal 11:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but would you be opposed to this portal becoming the portal for the Republic of Ireland (without loss to Northern Ireland which is now covered exclusively at Portal:Northern Ireland). Alternatively, it can remain generic and Portal:Republic of Ireland could be created as a subportal (alongside Portal:Northern Ireland). Personally, I favour the former option.--cj | talk 05:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not too sure on my feelings about that tbh. I'll explain some of my rationale though.

Firstly, there may be some who object to the Ireland portal not including Northern Ireland - for historical and political reasons (namely nationalists). And you might run into naming problems. For myself, Ireland has a long and shared history. In that sense I see it as no different from there being a UK portal, and portals for each of the four regions. As there is shared history between the four regions of the UK, then a top-hierarchy UK portal kind of seems logical as a means of collaborating on topics and articles that are indeed shared.

The same applies to Ireland being another hierarchial level to both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. While, for example, topics about the Republic's involvement in the EU are not particularly relevant to NI, an article about Brian Boru (for example) is applicable to both.

Having just outlined my thoughts above, I think I have therefore come to the conclusion that I would object to the former, and favour the latter. What do you think, having read my 'rationale'? --Mal 05:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but I don't how to set up a portal, so on you're bike, man and more power to ya. - Dalta 18:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Italian Portal

Dia Duit. Added this comment only to say ye're now in fellowship! ;) In it.wiki I opened a new portal for Ireland here. We could help each other sharing knowledges, resources, photos and other material. ;) Slán Kanchelskis

Advertisement on frontpage?!

I guess a LOT of people might find it inapropriate to have the ryanairarticle on that place! This is abuse of Wikipedia > Matthias, Berlin --- oh i understand its a selected article and will be replaced soon.... :)

Font?

Being the metapedian I am, I thought it would be nice to have a different font on the page. I'm at a loss as to the name of the one I'm thinking of, but what does everyone think? —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 15:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Testing the waters

How would other's feel about moving this portal to Portal:Republic of Ireland and recreating Portal:Ireland as a disambiguation page (cf. Portal:Football) pointing to the new portal and Portal:Northern Ireland?--cj | talk 20:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not just create a third portal? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 21:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Per Pauric, if there is a perceived need for a RepublicOfIreland portal, consider going ahead and creating one. I don't expect however that there is a need right now to "move" the Ireland portal or convert it to a DAB page. Guliolopez 03:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Why? For what reason? Is there something pressing? Frelke 10:57, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

As per the comments made by the subsection you created when you originally made this proposal last year on this very page, I'd personally be against changing this portal or deleting it. I'm with Pauric and the others above - I don't see any reason to object to a third portal.

The UK portal is a good example of how this is organised. There are sub-portals, if you will, for Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. As there is an overlap, in a geo-political sense, I see no reason why these portals shouldn't reflect what has already occured with the UK & regions portals: Ireland --> Northern Ireland --> Republic of Ireland. It works for me. --Mal 03:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Flag

How about we use the Saltire or the four province flag and get rid of the presidential standard on the front page? They could be seen, because they are, a little nationalist and anti-unionist. - Dalta 16:44, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't see why we should. With respect, the saltaire was a symbol imposed upon us during the 18th century by Britain, and not native to Eire. I'm open to suggestion for the four provinces flag, but I am quite happy with the presidental standard as it is the only truely Irish symbol we have. I actually dislike the tricolour myself on athestic grounds! Fergananim

Fair enough, the island is a good compromise anyway.

The presidential standard is only a symbol of the president of the Republic - to be neutral in that regard, we'd have to include the Royal Coat of Arms - I'm not so sure that that would please everyone, but NPOV-ically speaking, it should be both or neither. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 13:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Then, I'ld go for neither. - Dalta 23:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What do people think of the flag of Leinster or the four provinces flag per Flag of Ireland to represent Ireland rather than the old British flag we're currently using? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 16:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Subpages

Here's a link to the Ireland portal's subpages. S.D. ¿п? § 02:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)