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[edit] Minor changes to "Awards" section

! style="background-color:{{#if:{{{deathdate|}}}|silver|#ed8}}" {{!}} Awards

! style="background-color:{{#if:{{{deathdate|}}}|silver|#ed8}}" {{!}} {{spaces|23}}Awards won

! style="background-color:{{#if:{{{deathdate|}}}|silver|#ed8}}" {{!}} Awards

! style="background-color:{{#if:{{{deathdate|}}}|silver|#ed8}}" {{!}} Awards

! style="background-color:{{#if:{{{deathdate|}}}|silver|#ed8}}" {{!}} {{spaces|23}}Awards won

! style="background-color:{{#if:{{{deathdate|}}}|silver|#ed8}}" {{!}} Awards won

[edit] Template's name

Perhaps this is an old chestnut, but I'm wondering why this template is named "Infobox actor" rather than "Infobox Actor", i.e. "Infobox" (the template class) + Sentence-cased topic...? This pattern seems to be the (understandable) norm elsewhere... Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Portuguese link

[edit] Minor fixes

{{{!}} class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%

{{{!}} class="collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%; background: #FAFAFA"

! Other name(s)

! Spouse(s)

! Domestic partner(s)

! Other {{nowrap|name(s)}}

! {{nowrap|Spouse(s)}}

! Domestic {{nowrap|partner(s)}}

[edit] Merge with Template:Infobox actor voice

[edit] Fix for CSS issue and for empty table cell

{{{!}} class="collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%; background: #FAFAFA"

{{{!}} class="collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%; background-color: inherit;"

! style="background-color:{{#if:{{{deathdate|}}}|silver|#ed8}}" {{!}} {{spaces|23}}Awards won

! colspan= "2" style="background-color:{{#if:{{{deathdate|}}}|silver|#ed8}}" {{!}} {{spaces|23}}Awards won

colspan= "2" style="background-color: ed8" |  

[edit] Genie Awards

There should also be added a section to recognize those who have earned a Genie Award. It seems only natural since there Gemini Award is already there. NorthernThunder (talk) 18:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. If we're going to have a section for awards in the infobox (though I still don't think we should), then it needs to be inclusive, not exclusive. PC78 (talk) 16:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Domestic Partner

[edit] Other relatives

[edit] infobox icons

Bob Hope
Born	example

there's been a discussion opened up at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#image icons and flags in infobox headers. although it may or may not be the correct forum, it is certainly of concern to all infobox tenders. all are invited to participate. cheers! --emerson7 01:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] add Golden Calf Awards

{{editprotected}} Since the infobox already has awards for countries such as Spain and France (the Goya and the Cesar Awards) shouldn't there be an award added for the cinema of The Netherlands? -- User:Music2611 ^C_T

We have the Other Awards section where this can be added. --_pete 11:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

But why is there an exclusive section for the (for example) Cesar Awards-- User:Music2611 ^C_T

Maybe because there are more Cesar Awards then Golden Calf awards. I see only a few less then 10 actor infobox that would use this. --_pete 12:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe in the future there will be more-- User:Music2611 ^C_T

I can see from the article page alone that there are more than that, and that's ignoring the first 18 years that this award was presented. As long as we're having award sections in the infobox, then I see no good reason not to include this one. PC78 (talk) 12:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you think that way, but I can't do it myself, so I would very much appreciate it if you could do it for me.-- User:Music2611 ^C_T 14:29, March 29, 2008 (UTC)

I can't, you need an admin to do it. Hence the {{editprotected}} template. PC78 (talk) 14:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Do what, exactly? What code needs to be added and/or changed? Happy‑melon 17:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Add:

{{#if:{{{goldencalfawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} |
! colspan="2" style="text-align:center; background-color:{{#if:{{{deathdate|}}}|silver|#ed8}}; color:#000;" {{!}} [[Golden Calf (award)|Golden Calf Awards]]
{{!}}-
{{!}} colspan="2" {{!}} {{{goldencalfawards}}}
{{!}}-
}}

between geminiawards and goldenglobeawards, and add {{{goldencalfawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} to this line:

{{#if:{{{awards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{academyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{afiawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{arielaward<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{baftaawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{cesarawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{emmyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{filmfareawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{geminiawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{goldenglobeawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{goldenraspberryawards|}}} {{{goyaawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{grammyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{olivierawards|{{{laurenceolivierawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}}}}   {{{iftaawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}  {{{imageaward<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{nationalfilmawards|}}} {{{screenactorguildsawards|{{{sagawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}}}} {{{tonyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{awards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} |

PC78 (talk) 18:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Change:

{{#if:{{{awards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{academyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{afiawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{arielaward<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{baftaawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{cesarawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{emmyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{filmfareawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{geminiawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{goldenglobeawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{goldenraspberryawards|}}} {{{goyaawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{grammyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{olivierawards|{{{laurenceolivierawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}}}}   {{{iftaawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}  {{{imageaward<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{nationalfilmawards|}}} {{{screenactorguildsawards|{{{sagawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}}}} {{{tonyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{awards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} |

To:

{{#if:{{{awards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{academyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{afiawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{arielaward<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{baftaawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{cesarawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{emmyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{filmfareawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{geminiawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{goldencalfawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{goldenglobeawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{goldenraspberryawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{goyaawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{grammyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{olivierawards|{{{laurenceolivierawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}}}}   {{{iftaawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}  {{{imageaward<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{nationalfilmawards|}}} {{{screenactorguildsawards|{{{sagawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}}}} {{{tonyawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} {{{awards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} |

I've changed the {{{goldenraspberryawards|}}} to {{{goldenraspberryawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} and added the {{{goldencalfawards<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}. Wikipedian 03:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Done. You should seriously consider having a rationalisation of the award fields, however - perhaps something that works along the lines of |award1=goldenglobe|award1details=Best TV Show
1958 Alfred Hitchcock Presents
Cecil B. DeMille Award
1972 Lifetime Achievement for Alfred Hitchcock. You could have a switched list of awards, with the default option to just wikilink whatever goes into |award1=. I could probably cook something up if you think it would be a good idea, rather than twenty different award parameters. Happy‑melon 14:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I think something went wrong-- User:Music2611 ^C_T 17:25, April 11, 2008 (EST)

Indeed. I've included a fix for this problem in my edit request below. PC78 (talk) 16:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of the exclusive awards fields

Exclusive awards fields don't seem to be fair. Some are listed, some are not. Comments? Wikipedian 13:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

That depends on wich award fields you want to delete-- User:Music2611 ^C_T 14:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I would quite happily have them all removed. It's entirely subjective whether an award is "important" enough to have it's own section in the infobox. A single generic "Awards" section would be inclusive to all, and prevent periodic requests (like the one above) to have more awards added. PC78 (talk) 12:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it's just fine the way it is currently, in one quick look you can see wich important awards the actor or actress has won, it's usefull.-- User:Music2611 ^C_T 14:25, 29 March, 2008 (UTC)

I like it the way it is. It makes things easier to have parameters for the most notable awards; and then there's the catchall generic one to make up the difference. --Melty girl (talk) 19:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

But that's the problem, though, isn't it. What exactly are "the most notable awards"? PC78 (talk) 21:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't really see this as controversial or "unfair." It's just not that big of a deal. The Oscars are more notable than a minor film festival's awards; but even then, if someone wants to, they can put that award in. If they couldn't, then maybe it would be a problem, but they can; and the whole thing is hidden by default. I just don't see the pressing need to dismantle a perfectly fine part of the infobox, which has now been incorporated in so many articles. I don't see the periodic requests as a problem, because they're rarely disputed. --Melty girl (talk) 21:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

As long as requests for new awards aren't disputed, then that's fine (though see the request above). To remove any subjectivity, all awards should be treated equally. But obviously having 50 or more awards parameters would make the infobox a little unwieldy, hence my suggestion above to condense it into a single parameter. Personally I don't think we should have awards in the infobox at all (something I have discussed at length before) because it is something better dealt with in the article body, but that seems to be a minority opinion. The problem is that the current selection is somewhat arbitrary and exclusive; for actors in some countries, these awards simply aren't relevant. Do we really need more variant templates like {{Infobox Chinese actor and singer}}? PC78 (talk) 21:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I think Melty girl is right, I do agree with you on the "we have a lot of templates that are ridiculous" part, but still, the template is just fine the way it is.-- User:Music2611 ^C_T 17:29, 31 March, 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.191.41.117 (talk)

[edit] Recommend placeholder picture?

Should it recommend a [[Image:Replace this image female.svg|female]] or [[Image:Replace this image male.svg|male]] or [[Image:Replace this image1.svg|neutral]] image placeholder? It'd make an infobox with few values look like less of a stub and it might encourage uploading. (feel free to edit this comment to change pics to links)--Goldfndr (talk) 21:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for it; it sounds like a great idea and I'm surprised nobody thought of it earlier. Many of these templates with no pictures have those images anyway. Daniel99091 (talk) 06:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC).

The problem is it doesn't know if the article is 'bout a man or woman. Wikipedian 13:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Then use the neutral image. I like this idea. Garion96 (talk) 15:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Dunno. Frankly I think these things are horrible. I'd rather see them used sparingly (if at all) than have them everywhere. PC78 (talk) 20:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It makes the article looks low standard, IMO. Wikipedian 13:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I also think that they look ghastly. They don't add anything to the page. I have yet to see any evidence that they bring any pictures to the pages. In fact, considering the overwhelming restrictions that are now placed on images coming into Wikipedia, it is unlikely that many actor articles will ever have anything but these ugly placeholders in the infobox. They look better without them. MarnetteD | Talk 12:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

See Category:Reviewed images of people replacing placeholders. And a lot of of those images have already been moved to commons. (so they are not in that category anymore). I would prefer another placeholder though, it does not look that nice, but they do help. Garion96 (talk) 15:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I also concur that image placeholders within the infobox does degrade the overall appearance of the article. ---_pete 23:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I think it actually encourages people to upload their images. Sure, 99% of the times they may be people uploading their favorite image found in a Google search, but I hope the last 1% would be actually free images correctly licensed for us. If it helps us making us freer, I am all for it. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 04:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

WP will be full of non-free images. Wikipedian 13:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Rodger Rabbit
If so please click here

I prefer something like this. With the caption set to to a link for uploading --_pete 10:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

To one and all Please Note a centralized discussion about this topic has begun here Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Image placeholders. While I will add a link there to our discussion you may want to add your thoughts on this new page. MarnetteD | Talk 03:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Metadata

{{editprotected}} Hi. Please add

{{/metadata}}

after the {{template doc}} call at the end of the template code, so the template's metadata is included. (It's now at /metadata as the documentation is also included on the /sandbox page.) Thanks. Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Something seems wrong here. It looks like you metadata page was created on Template:Infobox Actor/metadata instead of Template:Infobox actor/metadata --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Arrg, I'm used to infobox template names following the standard-looking format of "Infobox" followed by a sentence-cased topic name. Have thus created a redirect to turn the link above blue. Why is this template named "Infobox actor" anyway? The article about actors isn't called "actor", it's "Actor", i.e. sentence-cased per the Manual of Style. Hence "Infobox Actor" -- or, if an "Infobox" namespace existed, "Infobox:Actor". Sardanaphalus (talk) 15:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

N Not done so much more elegant. Happy‑melon 17:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Website parameter

Why does the "website" parameter show up like this? It's ugly. Could someone fix it so it just says "Official website" in plain hyperlinked text?--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 03:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The documentation says the following: Insert the actor's official website. Use only the link such as http://www.example.com/. Do not use syntax such as [http://www.example.com/]. Have you tried it without brackets? --Goldfndr (talk) 03:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Heh,sorry about that. Missed the obvious.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 04:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bug fixes for the awards section

{{editprotected}}

To keep this post short and simple, take the code from User:PC78/Sandbox3. The changes this makes to the current template can be seen here. This essentially does three things:

1. Corrects a few minor bugs that prevent some awards from displaying properly.
2. Links directly to each awards article rather than to a redirect.
3. Removes the {{intricate}} template, which is already transcluded on the doc; it doesn't need to be displayed twice.

PC78 (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Much Better-- User:Music2611 ^C_T 22:01, 12 April 2008 (EST)

N Not done. Your code fixes some bugs, but if I read it right it also introduces some new bugs. This is tricky stuff.

• "naacpimageawards" inserted in a weird way. Check that one.
• #ed8 -> #ed8 - I think that breaks the colour code.
• "screenactorsguildawards" -> "screenactorguildsawards" - Why? The Wikipedia page is named Screen Actors Guild Awards and so states the official web site too.

But thanks for a very clear editprotected request! Best one I've seen in a long time. But I of course removed the extra {{intricate}} as you asked.

--David Göthberg (talk) 01:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

To address your concerns:

• Good catch. Try it now.
• No, it's like that everywhere else in the code. Check the current revision of the template. It's very obviosly broken in that section.
• It's a typo. The parameter name is written elsewhere in the code (twice) as "screenactorguildsawards".

PC78 (talk)

Y Done. Haha, you got me there. I should have checked closer. All updated. I took the liberty of adding some whitespace the way I usually do it in the noinclude sections, for readability. Sad that the parameter "screenactorguildsawards" is misspelled from the beginning so you are stuck with it. Ah well, I see the doc has deprecated it and now uses "sagawards" instead. --David Göthberg (talk) 02:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers! PC78 (talk) 02:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of years active

Comments? Wikipedian 04:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

"Comments?" Um, let's see... don't remove it? It's a fine parameter, and is the kind of concise, informative statistic that an infobox can present better than the prose can. I don't see a rationale for removing it. --Melty girl (talk) 04:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It's present on the actors / actresses' credits section. Wikipedian 08:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

everything in the infobox also appears elsewhere in the article, except the photograph. That's the main feature of infoboxes. Every single other detail is duplicated, so to say it's redundant, while true, could apply equally to every field. I originally suggested this field/parameter. My intention was that it would achieve two things - place the person within a particular era in film history, and also give an indication of the duration of the career. Part of the "snapshot" of the person, and in my opinion, a quite relevant part. It's used for musicians, so it wasn't that I got the idea myself, but I saw it being used reasonably effectively there, and I figured it could work here also. I don't think it's one of the most important fields, but I don't see any reason to remove it. If you have other reasons, by all means put them forward. Rossrs (talk) 11:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

You do realize that if we keep removing stuff there will nothing left! ;) PC78 (talk) 14:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merging with Template:Infobox actor voice

The short discussion above [2] seems to have consensed that Template:Infobox actor voice should be merged into Template:Infobox actor. Can I just go ahead and do a redirect, then, or is something else necessary for a merge? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 05:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

No, it needs more than just a redirect. Sorry, I've kind of let this slip to the back of my mind. I'll try and come up with the necessary code changes over the weekend. PC78 (talk) 13:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

• If/when this occurs, please take the opportunity to correct the template's name. Other infoboxes use "Infobox" + Sentenced-case topic (per Manual of Style), i.e. in this case "Infobox Actor" and "Infobox Actor (voice)" -- where "voice" is in brackets as it's a disambiguator (also Manual of Style). Thanks. Sardanaphalus (talk) 16:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IMDB Link?

I can't change the template because it is protected, however, could we add an IMDB link such as the Film infobox has? --Sc straker (talk) 19:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

My inclination is to say that we don't need it in the infobox as it will be redundant. Virtually every actor page has it as an external link - and for those that don't it can be added quite easily. My other objection is that it will get lost in the awards info. I mean do we but it before or after the awards won section. This awards won section overwhelms some infoboxes and makes it hard to read anything else. However, this is one editors opinion. If the consensus is to add them that is okay too. MarnetteD | Talk 20:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

See for previous discussion here. Garion96 (talk) 22:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. My request was so that it could be consistent with film that's all. But if we don't inlcude it (for reasons stated in previous discussion), shouldn't it also be removed from the film infobox for the same reasons/consensus? --Sc straker (talk) 00:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

For the same reasons... yes, I think so. But I believe that the consensus here can't stand in for a consensus over there -- I think you'd have to propose it at that template's talk page. --Melty girl 03:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] spouse order

What order are we supposed to list spouses? I noticed that the Suzanne Pleshette article lists them first to last, while her last husband's article, Tom Poston, lists them last to first. Is there a standard/convention? --rogerd (talk) 19:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Good point. I would think that, given the example of WP:MOSLOW, although it's not quite the same thing, that they should be first to last. --Melty girl 22:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)