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Contents 1 Help 2 Dimensions 3 Seating Capacity 4 Do not remove coordinates 5 Record Crowd 6 Merger 7 Tenants 8 Nickname 9 Coordinate text change 10 Image and caption 11 Sponsored v. Unsponsored names 12 Construction cost 13 Merger 2 14 Blank line 15 Operator vs. Owner 16 Problem with Infobox 17 Mixed with NRHP Infobox 18 Project manager error 19 Events hosted section 20 "Dimensions" vagueness 21 Caption 22 Suggested additions 23 Dimensions 24 UEFA star rating! 25 Alternate parameter names 26 New 'tenants' format

[edit] Help

Hi, I'm trying to use this template at Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena but it not coming out as expected. Can I get a hand? ccwaters 21:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dimensions

Ok, somehow, somebody messed up the dimensions part of the template. Any use of the dimensions attribute messes up the page that is using it. For example, see Fenway Park and Wrigley Field.--NMajdan•talk 19:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seating Capacity

Seating capacity can bee added.

Also, can this field be center aligned? It looks odd when you have a large field just for this one attribute and it it left aligned with a lot of whitespace next to it (especially when the heading is center aligned).--NMajdan•talk 19:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I concur, the capacity and tenants fields should be centre-aligned. I made this change but someone changed it back ChrisTheDude 15:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Other then the heading the entire template is left aligned, not center. Gateman1997 09:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I still think seating capacity should be center aligned. The number takes up such a small space in the row that having it left aligned just looks bad.↔NMajdan•talk 13:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I've seen some articles that use dated seating capacity (over multiple lines) showing how the venue has grown over time. These would probably look very bad centre aligned. -Nosilleg 19:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

In addition most of the infoboxes that use this template also contain both tennants and in baseball's case distances both of which would also look silly center aligned. This template is a completely left aligned piece. It makes little sense for one section that only occasionally looks good center aligned to be so. Gateman1997 22:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do not remove coordinates

Please do not remove the coordinates setting from this infobox for the following reasons

1. This is the standar way that coordinates show up for other infoboxes.

2. The coordinates in the infobox work differenlt ythan the coordinates that (now) show up on the sports arena pages. They pull up better links.

3. Nobody cared about coordinates until i added this and nobody contacted me before adding the coordinates the other way. I have spent 5 days of my life working on this and strongly feel I should have been consulted.

Somebody has found a way to add coordinates to the sports arena pages without leaving a trail. If you know who it is and how they did it please contact me on my discussion page. --Dr who1975 01:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• If I understand you correctly, the template you are looking for is Template:Coor title dms. PETCO Park has the template tag near the bottom of the page, next to the Template:MLB tag. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Record Crowd

I think Record Crowd would be a useful addition to this template.--Rulesfan 05:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally I think such info is better suited to the articlespace itself. Gateman1997 06:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Why not? BlueAg09 (Talk) 00:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

[edit] Tenants

I was wondering why the Tenants field seems to be non-optional. Some clubs like FC Copenhagen own their own stadium and can hardly be described as tenants. Am I using it wrong or could this be corrected? MartinDK 19:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

A tenent is anyone who inhabits a stadium. I may own my house but I'm also a tenant. Gateman1997 04:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up for me. My confusion about this originates from the Leasehold estate article which seems to define a tenant as someone who leases a house or a piece of land but I understand that this is too narrow a definition of a tenant then. MartinDK 06:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Might want to change the header to "Home of" to be more clear to a worldwide audience. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 12:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

"Home of" is present progressive, and that does not allow for past tennants. Not only that but Home of is not propor grammar as it is missing an article for the stadium like "Home of the", which would not even work in all cases. Tennants works it just had a slight bit of confusion. --MJHankel 01:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Can't agree about the use of the word "tenant" for a club which owns the stadium playing there. "Tenant" implies they're paying rent to be there. "Home of", as suggested by Zzyzx11 seems good to me. (With "Former home of" etc. as necessary) - fchd 11:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

Is directly below the image (if there is one) the best place to display the nickname? Having just visited the St. James' Park page, at first glance I thought "Sid James' Park" was vandalism. I'd prefer it if it was positioned properly in the infobox. - Dudesleeper 01:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually the nickname is supposed to be under the real name. Gateman1997 07:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

My mistake - that's where it is. Is there a particular reason it's not in amongst the other fields in the template? - Dudesleeper 12:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe it's because the "nicknames" are often as important and as used if not more so then the actual name of the venue's. For instance San Francisco's Monster Park is very rarely referred to as Monster Park but rather Candlestick Park. It's important that things like that are at the top so users searching for Candlestick or similar stadiums don't get confused. Gateman1997 23:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinate text change

Anyone have any objections to changing the display text from 'Global Coordinates' to 'Coordinates'? This would make it the same/similar to Airport Infobox, London station Infobox, Protected area Infobox, the coor title series of templates, etc.

It would also prevent this label from wrapping when there isn't an image in the infobox. (although the coords themselves will still wrap)

-Nosilleg 01:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have now made this change. -Nosilleg 10:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image and caption

The test I just did was to weed out the annoying space between the image and caption. Done now. - Dudesleeper · Talk 00:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ive noticed that recently (in IE at least) that all stadium captions seem to be appearing on the same line as the image, and not underneath. On checking the template it seems you recently made a change and this is probably the cause. I've reverted it but it has seemed to not have an effect. Can you please take a look at it --Cunners 19:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Further to this, I just edited an article which uses this infobox, and once saved, now appears correctly. Check Fenway Park which has not yet been edited to see what I mean about the text, hopefully fixed after the revert i did. --Cunners 19:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a question. Why are we captioning the images? I think it's implicitly assumed that the image is of the stadium the article and infobox are referring to. Gateman1997 06:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

What was going on? All the articles I looked at had the image duplicated and {{#if:| showing in the left of them. I reverted back a bit and that seems to have fixed it. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That still seems to be happening in IE7. In IE6 the caption was to the right of the image, after the line break was removed by Dudesleeper. He has now put it back in and is making a bit of a mess of hundreds of pages which use this template. In IE7 it is still broken. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cunners (talk • contribs) 18:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

• If this continues to be a problem, I suggest we use the same code for the image and caption as a template like Template:Infobox actor (assuming it does not have this problem). Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed it again now. As far as I can see there is no issue in either Firefox or IE, I don't know what the "annoying space between the image and caption" even refers to as both seem totally fine. There's no need to change it at all. --Cunners 01:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops, sorry - didn't know there was a thread about this. The "annoying space" I was referring to is visible here. - Dudesleeper · Talk 15:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It looks like there was a problem with the Ibrox Stadium article itself. I believe I corrected it. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sponsored v. Unsponsored names

With more and more stadiums having corporate names which can't be used in FIFA and other events, shouldn't there be a part of the infobox that is something like unsponsored name or something like that? XinJeisan 16:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Construction cost

Bah! I tried to add the missing (?) construction cost field to the code and it didn't work. Could someone who knows templates better take a shot at it? Never mind, I just didn't update my browser. Hoof Hearted 19:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger 2

I noticed that Template:Infobox Arena has a lot of overlap. This template should cover them both. Hoof Hearted 18:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blank line

There's some whitespace at the top of each article containing the infobox. Would appreciate someone looking into it. - Dudesleeper · Talk 00:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorted now. Gracias. - Dudesleeper · Talk 11:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Operator vs. Owner

What is the difference between the operator and owner? MicroX 22:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with Infobox

Certain information in the infobox such as services engineer does not appear on the article after filling in the information on the edit page.Tbo 157 21:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mixed with NRHP Infobox

The Rose Bowl (stadium) is using this infobox along with Template:Infobox_nrhp for the National Register of Historic places in the United States. They are different widths, but they are not mutually exclusive. I actually moved the NRHP inside the stadium infobox in this case. I am not sure that is the best way. Any suggestions? Group29 20:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

There are a number of articles that have multiple infoboxes, but there are each put in a different section. For example, the Arnold Schwarzenegger article currently has Template:Infobox Governor in the lead introduction section, Template:Infobox bodybuilder in the Bodybuilding career section, and Template:Infobox actor in the Acting career. Hope this helps. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project manager error

When a project manager is included, it appears twice in the infobox. Does anyone know how to fix this? --MicroX 02:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Because it was coded in twice on the template, so I removed one of them. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Events hosted section

I think there should be an events hosted section on the template to show what events the stadium has hosted. --MicroX 15:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Dimensions" vagueness

Your documentation instructions give people adding this template some guidance as to what you are looking for. But the readers of the articles are given no such clue. Since the articles are about stadiums, couldn't you make it clear that these are not the dimensions of the stadium but rather of the playing field, using something along the lines of "Playing field" "Field dimensions", finding some wording sufficiently generic ("pitch" is too sport-specific, for example). Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I changed the label to "Field Dimensions" for now. Will that work? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Caption

There is a minor problem with this template of the image caption not appreaing when completed in template call. Looks like a mis-placed vertical bar - but as it is a much used template would appreciate if someone more familiar with the template took a look.

I also noted that the field is not mentioned in the documentation. Keith D (talk) 13:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Good catch. Fixed. Doc still needs updating, though to be honest I think it needs an overhaul. Chris Cunningham (talk) 14:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Only partial fix - I think you need to delete the pipe later on in the line you changed. Keith D (talk) 14:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Can you point out a page which indicates the problem, should there be anything else that goes wrong? Looked alright last time after a quick check of a random article which used it. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (talk) 14:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It came up as the result of a GA comment on KitKat Crescent‎. It appears to be working now on that article. Many thanks. Keith D (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested additions

I have several: scoreboard (a description), parking (a number), luxury suites(a number), website. Alaney2k (talk) 15:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dimensions

Could the text generated by this offer some cultural/regional variations? In association football articles in English English, the word "pitch" would be used in place of "field". --Dweller (talk) 15:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The current wording is the result of what was discussed above on the #"Dimensions" vagueness section above. I am willing to add a parser fuction, but only if someone or a bot will go through every article listed on Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox Stadium that is football (soccer) stadium. Otherwise these articles will be inconsistent. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

That's a great idea. I'm a little concerned though about different applications around the world - for all I know fans of football in Australia or the US may still call it a field. I'll consult the football WikiProject and get back to you. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 08:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I take it from the discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Football_.22field.22_or_football_.22pitch.22_.28again.29 that a suggested compromise is "Playing area". And no, User:Richard Rundle's assumption is incorrect:[2] Although I have made major edits to that template, it was created by User:RadicalBender,[3] who made it as a fork of another template he created. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's certainly a workable compromise. My concern was whether that worked in other regional variations of English, but it's fine in English English across the spectrum of sport. --Dweller (talk) 11:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

What I want to know is: why is the dimensions field (field, as in databases!) centered, when all others are left-aligned? For instance, here it looks silly. --RFBailey (talk) 23:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It should not be centered. Looks really stupid with the rest left aligned. Also I know I'm late to the party, but I object to "playing area" and think it should be reverted to "dimensions". It just looks silly particularly for baseball parks. The dimensions of such parks are always refered to as "dimensions", not the playing area, as with baseball the playing area also includes the foul territory, not just fair (which dimensions covers). We either need to find a way to modify it to sport specific terms or heaven forbid go back to using separate infoboxes for individual sports. This will also help with regional variations, particularly in soccer where it's a "pitch" in the UK but may be a "field" in other countries like the US. Gateman1997 (talk) 00:19, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I've moved it back to left alignment with a similar setup to the rest of the template. Looks much better IMHO. Gateman1997 (talk) 00:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UEFA star rating!

Hi, I noticed most of you just put 4 or 5 pictures of a star in the "image" parameter.
Well, in the Hebrew Wikipedia someone wrote a parameter for that (it could either be 4 or 5). So I suggest that someone good with templates (not me, hehe) add a line for the star rating, and I will help replacing the images with the parameter. YemeniteCamel (talk) 20:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate parameter names

Is it necessary to have alternate parameter names for "stadium_name" and seating_capacity"? They were added here and here It seems to me it just adds inconsistency to the template. Thoughts? VerruckteDan (talk) 14:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Templates should be easy to use. Parameter names should be as intuitive as possible. It adds only a small amount of complexity to the template for the sake of making it considerably easier to add an infobox to an article without having to look at the documentation. I wouldn't have added them if I didn't think I'd be using them (and indeed already have). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New 'tenants' format

Docklands Stadium
Telstra Dome (The Dome, The Phone Dome)
Location	Docklands, Melbourne
Broke ground	1996
Opened	2000
Owner	James Fielding Funds Management
Operator	Melbourne Stadiums Limited Access One
Surface	Grass
Construction cost	$250 million AUD
Architect	Daryl Jackson Architects Hok Sport Architecture Bligh Lobb Sports Architecture Pty Ltd
Former names	Colonial Stadium Victoria Stadium
Capacity	53,355 (oval) 56,347 (rectangular)
Tenants
Club	Years
Carlton (AFL) Essendon (AFL) Kangaroos (AFL) St. Kilda (AFL) Western Bulldogs (AFL) Melbourne Victory (A-League) Melbourne Storm (NRL)	2005-present 2000-present 2000-present 2000-present 2000-present 2006-present 2001

I've been working on an alternate way to display tenants. As an example, compare the Infobox to the right, to the existing one at Docklands Stadium. You will see the new one takes up a lot less vertical space. The main thing that could use improving is the spacing of the columns - either just to use different widths to the columns in the main part of the infobox, or to use three columns (club, league and years). All suggestions welcome! -- Chuq (talk) 09:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)