User talk:Hordaland

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Contents 1 See Talk:Phase response curve. 2 Article on chronotypes 3 Blog 4 Appreciation 5 SAD 6 Looking for help 7 Sleep (non-human) 8 Free-running sleep 9 Bodyboarding 10 DST vandalism re-inserted 11 Defining what DSPS "severity" is 12 Uberman's sleep schedule 13 The Master Genealogist 14 DOIs 15 Snails 16 SOL

[edit] See Talk:Phase response curve.

On a personal note, I had a free-running Circadian clock for twenty years. I also had some issues with irregular sleep quality, where I would sleep a lot yet not feel rested. The later condition I treated for a while with amitriptyline (which helps to control burning-type pain), until that bothered my stomach too much, and I could only tolerate it irregularly. In the middle of June I switched to nortriptyline, which has a much lower side effect profile, but loses the sedative effect which was helpful in managing my free running circadian clock.

The loss of the sedative effect caused me to take another look at melatonin. My past experience with melatonin at bed time was that it made my circadian day even longer than it's normal 25 hours. I was sleeping too much and not productive. Three weeks ago I discovered a recently published paper which provides a protocol properly taking into account the melatonin PRC. I began a regime of taking 3mg melatonin in the early afternoon (10 hours after est. body temp. min.) I've been waking up in the morning ever since. The melatonin sometimes make me a bit dopey (varies from day to day) so I've allowed my timing to slide into the early evening, and it still seems to work, but not quite as well. Research shows that 1mg works just as well for entrainment, and can be taken later into the day without persisting within the body into the wrong half of the PRC. I have yet to find 1mg melatonin in Canada. I know Schiff offers this product in the U.S. and I once had a sleep specialist tell me that their quality control was better than many of the discount formulations.

As a point of reference, I didn't go three weeks at any point in the last twenty years without losing a day. If I attempted to force myself into a regular waking time, by the third week I would feel beyond terrible, and then suddenly I would go through a 28 hour waking period followed by 16 hours of sleep, and feel perfectly fine again, with all my clocks properly resynched. With melatonin in the afternon I wake up in the morning feeling the same every day and all the weird stuff has vanished.

• Advancing Human Circadian Rhythms with Afternoon Melatonin and Morning Intermittent Bright Light

For a while I exposed myself to blue light in the morning as well. I have a LED lamp of exactly the right frequency of light. I tried this before, but light never has much effect on me, so I dropped it. The melatonin alone seems to work the trick for me.

If I'd found the PRC graph for melatonin ten years, the first time I researched sleep therapy extensively, it would have spared me another decade of free running. What's really irritating is that taking melatonin at bed time, as all the jetlag research used to suggest, tends to push the clock in the wrong direction, toward a later rising time. So it was a matter of the right drug, wrong regime.

DSPS runs in my family, I'm just the worst of the bunch. It could work for DSPS, too. MaxEnt 16:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I found something of interest to you, but I went to your blog and couldn't find a contact link, and you don't have email enabled here, either. You snooze, you lose. Well, I had to say that. You can edit my talk page, that will get my attention. I see your blog has info similar to what I wrote above concerning my own situation. MaxEnt 00:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

email sent. MaxEnt 22:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article on chronotypes

Thank you for your suggestion, on the talk page for chronobiology, that there could be a a Wikipedia article on chronotypes. This is a good idea, but we would have to ensure that it would not simply be a replication of what is covered elsewhere in Wikipedia. I would prefer not to start the page myself, though, as I think it would need attention from an expert chronobiologist, with a good idea of the up-to-date questionnaires to assess larks and owls. ACEOREVIVED 17:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC) Thank you for staring this article, it looks really good. Do not worry about the Horne and Ostberg paper - I can assure that I have read it. Many thanks again for your good article, ACEOREVIVED 20:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

On November 6, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chronotype, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done. hope to see you at DYK agian! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Great job on Chronotype, Hordaland. — Athaenara ✉ 05:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks to all for positive response. I could become addicted to Wikipedia, I think. Hordaland 16:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blog

Yes, you may include a link to your blog on your user page :) Good to see Chronotype on the Main Page today; I'm sure a few people who read it and suddenly understand themselves a lot better. Best wishes, Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 04:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appreciation

		The Original Barnstar
		For your great work on the sleep articles. It's great to have you here! Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 06:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

WOW, thanks! What a lovely message to wake up to. You're the pioneer. Knowing that you're here and keeping tabs has meant the world. By comparison, I haven't been able to find a single interested person to work with, trying to clean up the mess on the one Norwegian WP, having done a piece on what needs doing. So I'm starting fresh on the smaller WP here, where there was nothing on sleep except for apnea, and still isn't a word on circadian rhythms.

Thanks again! Hordaland (talk) 09:29, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SAD

Hi,

I left a reply for you on Talk:Seasonal affective disorder. Note that your action didn't really need a posting on the talk page, an edit summary would have sufficed (just to save you a bit of time). I do think your interpretation of the comment may be a bit incorrect, but since I don't have the original article (and I'm willing to bet that the article itself cited another article rather than saying so itself) I won't be reverting. WLU (talk) 21:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for help

{{helpme}}

To whom it may concern!

Fairly new user here, minimally computer-savvy and with virtually no experience working with images. (But I've sure learned a lot working here lately!) I do not have the capacity to learn to work with images at this time.

I've drawn a couple of graphs in Paint, at least one of which I'd like someone to convert to an acceptable format and upload to Commons for me, if possible. But first, someone knowledgeable should evaluate if it violates Copyright.

The drawing can be seen at the top of a (unfinished) blog entry here with an older version here (I must learn to do prettier links than this...)(Haha, I just did! 13 Dec. 07)

The information contained in it is from several sources and lots of reading. The only thing I think might involve copyright is the double bright light / dim light curve (purple) which is only a bit reworked from a Harvard illustration. I've drawn it, only increasing the amplitude, adding color and a bit more. Could that be a copyright violation?

Next, please see bottom of the talk page for Phase response curve (PRC) where the (claimed) original author of the drawing now in the article likes mine better than her/his own. PRCs are difficult enough to understand and to explain, even with a drawing. It's just about necessary.

Could I send the Paint file by e-mail to someone who'd do the work to convert and upload it? Would sure appreciate it. Thanks. Hordaland (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I think you would be fine by using it but also state some of your sources in the description of the image probably. --cmelbye^talk! 03:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Hordaland, do you still need the files converted and uploaded to Commons? Feel free to send them to me at klaquot @ gmail dot com, and I'll do it for you. Cheers, Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 04:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Sent! And now I know that helpme actually works, how very nice. Thank you, Kla'quot! Hordaland (talk) 05:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Hordaland, I have converted the image and am ready to upload it to Commons. Can you leave a note here saying what license you would like to use for the image? If you're not sure, I suggest the GFDL which is what is used for all your text contributions to Wikipedia. I will credit it to User:Hordaland unless you prefer something else. Cheers, Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 09:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Good. I don't need any credit (unless it's required, in which case your suggestion is OK), and whatever license Wikipedia/media likes best is fine. I'd bcc'd it to myself at work and printed it out there just today. Even in B/W one can (just barely) see the differences among the three colors. Now I'll have to learn to upload it to my corresponding Norwegian articles from Commons. What fun.

Thanks so much! Hordaland (talk) 14:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

You're most welcome. I've put it on Phase response curve. Are you planning to create Norwegian versions for those articles, or use the English version? Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 06:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Must admit I hadn't thought of translating the small text bits. I've now added the image (sans thumb|) to the bottom of Døgnrytmeforstyrrelse (Circadian rhythm disturbance) in Bokmål. (Nice to not have to put the word 'sleep' in the title; it's circadian rhythms plural which are disturbed, not just the one for sleep.)

It was no chore translating the few English words within the otherwise necessary instructions on using a PRC.

Haven't got 'round to the other Norwegian language, Nynorsk, yet.

[edit] Sleep (non-human)

Wow! It's amazing how much better the article has become thanks to you. You're much more eloquent than I am, and you've fixed lots of things I really don't know how I managed to miss. You've also done interesting copy-editing: the part about seals and their REM sleep is quite different. Did you even go as far as to re-check the sources? If so, perhaps it would be a good idea for me to back-port this article to the sv WP when you're done? There's some copy-editing to be done "over there" anyway, so perhaps it would be nice to bring those changes you made back there as well. Where next Columbus? (talk) 21:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It's alway easier to proofread someone else's work, rather than one's own. You'd only left out one essential bit which I had to go to the Swedish to understand: the fact that those cats had been operated on. (Poor things.)

I have a sleep disorder and on the mail list for it I pointed to our article, Sleep (non-human), about REM sleep. I got this reaction from another list member:

The Wikipedia article you cited seriously mischaracterizes the two references it cites on REM sleep in seals. Both references clearly state that REM sleep occurred in the seals they studied while they slept in the water. One study (the one in Nature) only studied fur seals (otariids) and did state that they might go a week or two without REM sleep during their 6 months in the water ("When in the water, the fur seal has an extremely small amount of REM sleep, and may go without any REM sleep for a week or two." - page 1267). The second paper (the one in Science) very clearly states that the gray seals they studied had REM sleep while sleeping in the water ("The REM state was observed both in and out of the water, but seals in the water exhibited REM only when floating with the nostrils just clear of the surface." - page 554).

I found only one of the two references online, and have linked to it in footnotes (click it and search the PDF for seals). Trying to revise the Aquatic section, I found that the original version skipped back and forth between whales and seals in a manner I found confusing, so it became a more major revision than first intended. (And I think I should move those 2 refs to the 1st rather than the 2nd paragraph.)

Our Swedish author obviously knows a great deal about what s/he writes about, but seems to have been a bit careless here (tho s/he may have even more, unlisted, sources to support the original text). So I may get 'round to googling for a few of the other sources as well.

I don't know what "back-port this article to the sv WP" means. I've wondered whether to contact the author about my revision. I'm often way too picky, but s/he seems to be the same type :) in spite of this instance of apparent carelessness. So if you want to do it instead, that's great. --Hordaland (talk) 09:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the information wrt/ the sources. With back-port, I meant editing the Swedish version so that it contains the same information as the English article does. The editing you made was interesting and certainly clarified issues, but that part about seals caught my attention because it wasn't what the original author stated. That said, I think that your edits seem closer to the truth than the original article, also because it simply is more easy to read. That's why I wondered whether you thought I should revise the Swedish version as per your changes. There are some other issues that I think should be revised anyway in the sv version (linguistic things). I think I'll edit those things, and at least drop a note with a reference to the translation and your comment to Nitramus. I'm not regular on sv.WP so I'm not sure about whether they use the same writing style as here. Oh, and BTW, it was fun to see that this article already has been featured in Did you know? Where next Columbus? (talk) 20:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Free-running sleep

I'm generally fine with your changes. See the talk page (in about ten minutes) for an explanation of the two changes I'm making. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bodyboarding

Yes, that article needs a HUGE amount of attention!!! So many things to clear... I have been too wiki-lazy for a few months... I really need to take a closer look into that article. I think that almost all names should be cleared alway as they are there for vanity reasons... But you need time and patience to fix such a "plagued" article... In the moment I have only the latter, lacking the former :-) Thanx for shaking me up, I needed that to come back to wikipedia. Regards. Loudenvier (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DST vandalism re-inserted

This change reinserted a vandalism to Daylight saving time. I'm sure that wasn't your intent, but just wanted to point out the glitch. It's been fixed. Eubulides (talk) 21:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! There was something funny about that. I expected an edit-conflict message somehow, but it didn't appear. Will try to be more careful. --Hordaland (talk) 09:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Defining what DSPS "severity" is

I wrote a response to what you said on my talk page. Let's keep the discussion there, so we will have it in one place! Mmortal03 (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uberman's sleep schedule

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[edit] The Master Genealogist

Hordaland Thank you for pointing out that Legacy Family Tree can handle conflicting information. I agree that the articles should not be a sales pitch which is why this article is taking a while to write. Gioto (talk) 01:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DOIs

Hi, just to let you know I've replied on my talk page. Smith609 Talk 12:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Snails

Dear Hordaland, I'm solving interwiki conflict using my bot. The Idioma-bot works perfectly by my comands. The article snail is about common name of animals, Norwegian or Swedish articles links to English Gastropoda (class). It can't be double links to one article. Hugo.arg (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for answering, though it doesn't seem intuitive! The Scandinavian articles Snegl etc. have the every-day common name, as does the English Snail. --Hordaland (talk) 18:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SOL

Just passing by to drop a note thanking you for the edit at Sleep Onset Latency. I usually don't do this, but I didn't expect that the article to get attention so fast, as usually the stubs I create are only visited by people doing maintenance tasks. So, thanks! Waldir ^talk 02:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please do merge if it is appropriate as you say. I wouldn't mind collaborating but I really don't have special interest or knowledge in the subject, I mostly do WikiGnome work in widely diverse subjects :) Waldir ^talk 04:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Sleep latency > Sleep Onset Latency, done. Including all the inline links I could find. --Hordaland (talk) 05:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice! I solved the double redirect at sleep latency (RHaworth moved the article to sleep onset latency, lowercase), and added some incoming links from other articles :) --Waldir ^talk 17:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Good job. I didn't like all those capital letters (Onset Latency). I'm going to remove the 'See also' to and from Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome, as there's no real connection there. (I oughta know; I've had it all my long life. We generally go to sleep instantly, if we go to bed at the right time, which unfortunately often is at 4 a.m.) --Hordaland (talk) 19:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)