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How about some notable tracks and artists in each of these sub-genres?2toise 13:05, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Links an issue 2 Hardstyle vs. Hardcore 3 Hardcore vs Gabber 4 Hardcore Techno 5 Happy hardcore 6 Examples 7 Links 8 Oh no 9 Nosebleed 10 Whole article needs amendment 11 "Hardcore techno" 12 Clean-up 13 Merger proposal

[edit] Links an issue

The links section of this page is really bad. None of them have been tweaked to redirect to the right page -eg, 'stormtrooper' and 'orca' lead to articles about the real thing, not the artist name. Really needs fixed but I just don't have time right now. If the active editors of this article don't know how to do this, I refer them to this page: [1]. -Zepheriah 23:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hardstyle vs. Hardcore

From what I can tell this Wiki article is about the genre Hardcore. But when you search Wiki for Hardstyle you get re-directed to here. Hardstyle should be considered a really hard variant of trance. It's not 'hardcore'. Hardcore is more closely linked to gabber (the hard music that came out of Rotterdam), but it's, well, more serious and harder than gabber. Check out Ishkur's for a better look at the genres. What I think of as 'hardcore' he lists as 'gabber' but then oddly creates a new genre, 'Rotterdam', which he then describes as 'gabber'. Other than that little quirk, I think it helps a lot. Oh and, take some of his descriptions with a grain of salt.

• Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music -->Chemical Halo 08:18, 2005 Jan 9 (UTC)

In addition to making up a proportion of the presented styles, Ishkur is way off in his "history" of music and genre associations - it is not the definite source to reference and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. However you're right, for such an influencing music style (and huge movement in the early 90's), this page is more of a stub and should be made broader both in scale and depth of knowledge. I'm planning to do something about it in the near future, though a "grand" subject like this (almost 20 years of music history and science with cultural references) does require some ahead planning. It seems, though, that no one else is going to do anything about it and I might be the only one with enough knowledge, contacts and interest in here.

What comes to hardstyle itself, it is a cross-genre between hardcore and trance, but originally (IMO) seemed to develop from newstyle, which in turn was dutch hardcore developing back towards techno and house influence. If hardstyle itself isn't featured in Wikipedia, this is just as good place to refer to it as would be trance music, Dutch music in general, or electronic music in general. However, you could make a page about hardstyle yourself, if the topic is close to your heart, even if it was just a stub - a style of popular music currently hitting the charts is bound to receive more contributors sooner or later. aeris 11:21, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

This was an old comment. I've already removed the re-direct of Hardstyle --> Hardcore techno and created a working stub for Hardstyle. Check it out. And I agree. Ishkur's, of course, is just an unaccredited internet source, but it's still a good place to start for noobs. (I was a noob when I wrote that comment, although at this point, I don't even remember writing it. :P) Thanks.-->Chemical Halo 02:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hardcore vs Gabber

What is the difference between Hardcore and Gabber music (if there is any)? I think it should be explained in the article... --ha-core 18:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

hehe, i've just spent the last month or so doing research into hardcore dance music and that's something that's been bugging me for the last week or so, and it's a biggie that needs to be sorted out on wikipedia. i have a feeling it's to do with the fact that gabber tends to use/have melody/melodic sounds but i shall go on looking for references and articles on the matter (or poke some friend sin the know) and report back. --MilkMiruku 10:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Gabber is a subgenre to hardcore, just like speedcore, terror, happy hardcore, trancecore etc. /Jiiimbooh 20:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hardcore Techno

This is a term from germany, used about 1989 for Agrumh... and later for Leather Strip. In the early '90s Hardcore Techno was used for hard style EBM projects and shortly after, the term was used for the distorted techno sound from frankfurt (germany) and later rotterdam etc (netherlands). after this shift of meaning, the early hardcore techno (hard EBM) was renamed to Hardcore Electro. that's not a joke, i can scan the old magazines. --Menorrhea 01:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

hey again :) sure, if you can provide reference to an earlier usage of the term 'hardcore techno' then i'm sure it's worth a mention somewhere on this page --MilkMiruku 10:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Look There. It's from a New Life-Soundmagazine printed in october/november 1989.

[edit] Happy hardcore

"Happy Hardcore is probably the best known, and best selling variant." Is this really true today? Happy hardcore was most popular in the mid-90s. Jiiimbooh 02:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. A lot of what people are calling "happy hardcore" these days is generally UK Hardcore/4-beat, Freeform and other genres. Even though these are evolutions from the "happy hardcore" sound, even to the point of sharing many of the DJs and artists (which may be where the confusion lies), there is very little "happy hardcore" being produced at all these days. --86.2.119.178 16:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Examples

Someone should list some well known examples of the harder styles (mainly so I can get into it) because terrorcore.pl doesn't really help. XdiabolicalX 17:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

i removed two links that i thought were inappropriate. one was blatent spam, and the otherone was to a german language website, and so i assume not usefull for the english wiki. there may be other links that need removing however. Ricecake 15:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please tell whoever that is who keeps adding some site called 'Pounding Beats - The ravers Guide' to the links to stop spamming? 172.202.247.23 19:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh no

UNENCYCLOPEDIC LISTS on a page about Hard Tech? NO NO NO!
Seriously, what is UNENCYC. about pages in a Cyber-encyclopedia crafted by people who are into what they're writing about, and willing to share their wealth?
Whatever bogus definition of ENCYCLOPEDIC got cooked up by the sub-group who got spooked by Brittannica: why are you people SO worried about image? Why do you want to submit to 19th century ways of doing things? Why the tight ass mockery of people's efforts, huh?
It's pretty obvious that we have a RED and BLUE contingents working on this magnum opus -- whyn't you RED folks go hang around where you belong? Twang 08:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Yes, because unending lists of nobody artists is REALLY useful 62.53.29.254 12:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nosebleed

This Scottish hardcore club .. which town was it in? Motherwell? maybe Paisley or Hamilton. Cheers —maxrspct ping me 18:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's Rosyth from what i have gleened from google. --maxrspct ping me 13:24, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whole article needs amendment

IMHO if this article is intended to be about Hardcore Techno then references to Breakbeat Hardcore (Old Skool, Happy Hardcore, Freeform, etc) should be removed. Hardcore Techno is afterall one of the derivatives of Old Skool Hardcore (alongside Happy Hardcore and D&B) and has the sub-genres of Speedcore, Gabber, etc.

Fluffbomb 17 October 2007

[edit] "Hardcore techno"

This page's use of the term "Hardcore Techno" is confusing. Due to unclarity as to the use of the term, I think this page should be renamed "hardcore dance music" and all references to "hardcore techno" removed from this and other pages except in the case that such a genre definitively does exist.

I'm unfamiliar with Gabber and its brethren, and for all I know they did evolve from Techno, but happy hardcore, freeform and trancecore all evolved from breakbeat hardcore, and therefore ultimately have roots in acid house.

Also, happy hardcore, freeform and trancecore do not satisfy "rhythmic use of distorted and atonal industrial-like beats and samples.", and certainly new beat does not have a fast tempo.

The paragraph on production techniques seems like a non sequitir, as much hardcore is not produced this way. Trancecore, as noted, is a lot of the time simply a timestretched trance song. Grievre 17:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the page explains the term as it is used. The term Hardcore dance music isn't used as often as Hardcore Techno and Hardcore techno is often used for what would technically be more appropriate to call Hardcore House (although the term hardcore house is also used). /Jiiimbooh (talk) 13:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up

I came here to remove a link to a speedied page and decided, as per the tag, to clean up the section on individual performers by removing all red-line links (links to pages that don't exist). Accounting4Taste:talk 04:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposal

Breakbeat hardcore is an unsourced article consisting of original research. The article suggests that it is "popularly known as rave music" which suggests it's just another term forsomething else. opinions? --neon white talk 16:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

its undoubtaully a subgenre, if you don't know it, then you probably don't know enough about hardcore and i'd suggest you leave to people who do--82.18.90.197 (talk) 12:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Anyone can edit any page. Pages are required to provide sources and assert notability. This article does neither. --neon white talk 13:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

No Merger. Hardcore Techno (Hardcore) is a historically relevant sub-genre of techno. There is no clear rationale behind mergering it with a newer sub-genre that is chronologically it's junior. See the Techno page for context. Semitransgenic (talk) 19:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)