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Furcadia was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: January 19, 2008

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2006-11-15. The result of the discussion was Keep.

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Archive 1: April 2005 - September 2006

Contents 1 Furry? I think not. 2 Splitting Dreams from main article 3 primates? 4 GA failed 5 Mention in a local paper 6 Screenshots

[edit] Furry? I think not.

Many of the people discussing this on the Article for deletion page made the assumption that Furcadia is specifically for furries. In my experience, this is definitely not the case. Most of the people I know on Furcadia are not part of the fur fandom. It's certainly attractive to some furries but to assume that it's a furry-only game is incorrect. Should this be mentioned in the article?--Teiladnam 16:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, considering since the avatars, port.. and the "Gods" (Primes) of the games are furry (anthropomorphic). The main drive of Furcadia is for the fun, and roleplay. For meeting people as well. I see plenty of people as humans as well. But Furry is a vital part of Furcadia. Yes, it isn't furry only, but it is a big, big part. Hence the Fur in Furcadia. I am sorry, but I am putting it back until it is further proven that it shouldn't be there. Note that the other categories it is in listed in roleplay as well. It should have some more categories as well. Disinclination 22:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, its a moot question. A GAME is for anyone that enjoys playing it, not some sort of specific stereotype or subculture that has to be forced upon anyone. Its like saying,"baseball and football are for jocks!" Frankly, its an adolescent and juvenile point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.46.60.64 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 23 July 2007

Okay, I reread and thought about what you wrote, and after looking on Furcadia forums, I get what you're saying. I changed the category to anthropomorphism to be more specific. But in the article, it never talks about the "culture", for lack of a better word, of Furcadia. And I don't think it should, simply because it would create too many problems. Disinclination 06:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

See also this discussion on the Furry Fandom template. User:kotra just added something to the article about how Furcadia relates to the fandom, although I'm not sure if it's relevant enough to stay in the article.--Teiladnam 04:45, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Added my own bit in there. In short, it's my opinion that Furacdia is a part of the furry fandom as much as any other game could be, because it has both meaning to and direct inspiration from the fandom. It's designed by furry fans, it has recognizably furry characters in it, it's been widely played by member of the furry fandom . . . if there was a poster child for "furry game", it'd be a strong candidate. It's not designed just for furry fans, nor are only furry fans welcome, nor is playing it a requirement of being a furry fan, but that's true of a lot of things that are generally regarded as "furry" as well.

As an aside regarding the commercial aspects: Most fursuit makers I know who are in it as an actual business don't just cater for the fandom either - they make "mascots" - but it's a significant part of their market and where a lot of their design ideas come from. Note that Dr. Cat was perfectly acceptable as a Guest of Honour at Further Confusion 2001 on the basis of his work, like WhiteyFawks, even though both probably make most of their money from people who are not members of the fandom. GreenReaper 06:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting Dreams from main article

The "Dreams" section seems to be a good candidate for splitting into its own article, as similar to DragonSpeak. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yamake (talk • contribs) 11:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

I'm leaning towards disagreement here. The "Dreams" section isn't very long, and if it was made its own article, would be difficult to find sources and prove notability for. It would probably not withstand an Articles for Deletion nomination. I would extend this judgement to the DragonsSpeak article as well, to a lesser extent (Felorin has spoken at length about DragonSpeak in interviews, so sourcing may be possible there). However, complete articles on both subjects would definitely be appropriate on FurcadiaWiki. -kotra 01:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] primates?

are there no primates or reptiles? that's too bad.--Sonjaaa (talk) 15:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

There are dragons (a pay avatar). Otherwise, no. -kotra (talk) 21:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA failed

Sorry, not quite GA standard yet. Some notes for improvement;

• "Furcadia is the longest continuously running MMO." - needs an independant reliable source
• Infobox image should be a welcome screen or something (if it isn't)
• Gameplay section before development
• "On 16 December 2006, Furcadia became the first-ever MMORPG to celebrate ten years of continual service" - standalone, merge to a paragraph
• "Dreams" section unsourced
• "Main maps" & "Other official maps" sections are listcruft
• Is the "The Beekins" section needed?
• "Business model" section = unsourced listcruft
• "Awards" section could do with some prose

If you have questions/comments, leave a note on my talk page. If you found this review helpful, please consider reviewing another nominee. Cheers, Dihydrogen Monoxide (party) 05:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, it's helpful. I predicted it would fail for many of these reasons (the unsourced sections and the amount of crufty information, particularly). For the "longest continuously running MMO" claim, I think the MPOGD reference is independent and reliable enough, though. Also, I think the Beekins section (trimmed down, perhaps) is notable due to the unique and extensive nature of Furcadia's volunteer program. Everything else I agree completely with. -kotra (talk) 22:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mention in a local paper

I thought this might be interesting to people. Furcadia was briefly mentioned in a college newspaper: [1]

Conner's chosen character is a snow leopard (an animal he has always felt close to) named Satoshi, which he developed from a furry role-playing game called Furcadia.

Probably nothing of use there for citation purposes, but it's something. -kotra (talk) 13:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots

Hey, any chance you could upload the screenshots to commons so we could use them on Polish Wikipedia too? Plushy (talk) 19:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe anyone can re-upload sanctimonious's screenshots to Commons as long as the two licenses (CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL) and the summary info all remain intact. I noticed though that the screenshot currently being used on the Polish article (Commons:Image:Furcshotee.JPG) does not have the correct license. Since it's a screenshot of a copyrighted game, it cannot be released into the public domain (except by the game's copyright holder, Dragon's Eye Productions). So I've nominated that screenshot for deletion, because such copyrighted works aren't allowed on Commons. For the Polish Furcadia article, I recommend using the other screenshot on Commons, Commons:Image:FurcShot2007.png, since it is licensed freely. Or another of sanctimonious's screenshots could be uploaded to Commons too.

Also, good work on having a Polish article! -kotra (talk) 19:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Well I guess thanks? And if anyone can re-upload do you by any chance know someone who could do it? I mean I'd do it but I'm not really sure how. Plushy (talk) 08:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

This page explains how to move an image to the Commons. Basically though, all you need to do is just upload the image to the Commons and use the same licenses and description, and link back to the original image on the English Wikipedia. If you've uploaded images to the Commons before it should be pretty easy. -kotra (talk) 21:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)