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Contents 1 Panini Video 2 question 3 Hagane no Renkinjutsu 4 Hagane no Renkinjutsushi 5 Terminology needs rewrite! 6 Manga Chapter List? 7 Suggestion about Terminology 8 GameBoy Advance Games Missing? 9 Possible original research in trivia section 10 Manga Volumes 11 What If??? 12 The Humming Alchemist: Kimbly 13 The symbol on Ed's jacket and Al's shoulders 14 Scientific backing section 15 Running Gags Section 16 Chapter guide 17 GA Fail 18 Trivia Point 19 Characters of FMA Template 20 What's up with the Manga Translations? 21 Possible Spoiler - Opening and End Themes 22 Paracelsus? 23 How advanced Amestris' military really is? 24 Anime copyright on images? 25 pod casts 26 Volume 12 released 27 OVAs 28 In the Manga 29 Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard 30 list of people of the anim ? 31 Shonen Demographic? 32 What I see as a serious problem 33 ?????¿¿¿¿¿ 34 Lost religion? 35 Completely missed Rosé on the Character listing

Panini Video

They also releasing DVDs in Germany (with german dub) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.189.236 (talk) 01:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

question

is there a fma movie 2 or is that a rumor? ~~ from Ilovedark

Hagane no Renkinjutsu

Maybe this isn't that important, who knows. But someone keeps changing Hagane no Renkinjutsu to Hagane no Renkinjutsutra or Hagane no Renkinjutsushi. Hagane no Renkinjutsu translates (literally) to Steel no(a possesive article) Alchemist. Renkinjutsushi and Renkinjutsutra aren't even words as far as I know, just someone adding extra letters to the end of Renkinjutsu. Whoever it is, please stop. Glotnot 12:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Japanese dictionaries disagree: 錬金術 (renkinjutsu) versus 錬金術師 (renkinjutsushi). This one even has it written in kana: れんきんじゅつ. —TangentCube /c /t  15:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for saying Renkinjutsushi wasn't a word. Also, upon searching further into the internet I found that adding the 'shi' means that the person practices alchemy though for some reason even your sources say that Renkinjutsu means alchemist.Glotnot 23:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, what the dictionaries say is that 錬金術 is alchemy and that 錬金術師 is an alchemist, a practitioner of alchemy, although it seems you realize that now. —TangentCube /c /t  03:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I studied in Japan and used Fullmetal Alchemist as a study aid. The Kanji for the title are clearly 錬金術師, meaning (renkinjutsushi), talking about Edward Elric as the Fullmetal Alchemist. If you listen to how the Japanese track says it, you can clearly and distinctly hear the "shi" at the end. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.7.74.107 (talk • contribs).

Hagane no Renkinjutsushi

Fine... if you want to be the ignorant mass, fine by me. This is the proper spelling, and if you change it, damned be ye. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.7.74.50 (talk • contribs).

What? Nobody's changing the title. —TangentCube /c /t  01:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Terminology needs rewrite!

First of all, it contains MAJOR spoilers... I know there is a warning about spoilers on top, but these pretty much spoil the end. Secondly, most of the stuff refer only to the ANIME version and most of the stuff is different in the manga. For example:

"the Elric brothers discover that to create the stone requires many human sacrifices, as seen in the final episodes."

This obviously refers to the anime, and has nothing to do with the manga... If the terminology is going to be anime only, maybe it should be moved in the anime part below and make a new one for the manga. AcidArrow 15:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I concur, in addition, I believe its drifting towards an in-universe perspective in some instances. akuyume^T_C 02:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it AutoMALE not Automail? I could be wrong but I thought that automale made more sense then automail :\ DC2600 11:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

No. —TangentCube, Dialogues 14:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Manga Chapter List?

Anyone else think that a manga chapter list would be a good idea? I realize that there is one on the main page, but after looking at the fantastic list of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes, I think it would be great if the manga got the same. It would be awesome if it was in the same format as the episode list, with the volume covers in the same place as the DVD boxes. Anyone else agree?--Nitman99 21:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Nope. We don't keep lists of chapters for books. Episodes are different. --Kunzite 02:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

We don't? --tjstrf 02:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Note: this was proposed 6 months ago, yet nobody did something about it. And on that matter, I would support moving that ugly list to a new article and fleshing it out. Not me, though; I'm better at copyediting than content. —TangentCube /c /t  05:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm finding it really difficult to find information on the manga. Creating a manga page for it will be very much appreciated. --Cpryd001 03:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

i think we should have a chapter list then if you go to the library and its not avviable at least you can find out what happened Ilovedark

Suggestion about Terminology

Let's split it in 3. Have one area that all the terms are common for both the anime and manga, have one only for the anime, and one only for the manga... AcidArrow 19:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

GameBoy Advance Games Missing?

I noticed that even though someone previously wrote that there were two Fullmetal Alchemist titles for the Gameboy Advance, no mention in the article had been made about the titles. Anyway, I just thought that to be strange. I added them in myself; the first is Stray Rondo, and the second is Sonata of Memories (Omoide no Soumeikyoku, or just Omoide no Sonata, depending on who you ask)

I have Omoide no Soumeikyoku, so I think I'll write the article on that when I get the time. However, I know very little about Stray Rondo, and would appreciate it if someone who knows anything about the game or, even better, if someone who has the game would like to contribute to that.

Thanks! Discussion of the Gameboy Advance Games can take place here as well. =)

Stephie Chan 01:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Possible original research in trivia section

I recently removed the following sentence in the trivia section which I think constituted original research:

* The English dub is one of the few to feature actors who primarily dub in all four major areas, California (Johnny Yong Bosch), Vancouver (Scott McNeil), New York (Michael Sinterniklaas), as well as numerous voice actors from Texas.

The above sentence is original research, as it does not appear to cite any authentic reference. No resource whatsoever cites this claim, and it seems to have originated from this article instead, thus constituting original research. In order to improve the quality of this article in order to bring it up to featured status, all unsourced statements which may constitute original research should be removed immediately. Ganryuu (talk) 15:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Manga Volumes

I think it would be wise to sepperate the chapters in to what volumes they belong to, not only to organize things more, but because I see people constantly searching for this info online. I only have the volumes to chapters through Vol.10 anyone want to add the rest before editing anything?

• Volume 01 - Chapters 1-4
• Volume 02 - Chapters 5-8
• Volume 03 - Chapters 9-12
• Volume 04 - Chapters 13-16
• Volume 05 - Chapters 17-21
• Volume 06 - Chapters 22-25
• Volume 07 - Chapters 26-29
• Volume 08 - Chapters 30-33
• Volume 09 - Chapters 34-37
• Volume 10 - Chapters 38-41
• Volume 11 - Chapters 42-??
• Volume 12 - Chapters
• Volume 13 - Chapters
• Volume 14 - Chapters

Is anyone able to finish that and then edit the page, or if it can be completed I will edit it gladly. --Midusunknown 09:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that the last 4 Volumes might go like this

• Volume 11 - Chapters 42-45
• Volume 12 - Chapters 46-49
• Volume 13 - Chapters 50-53
• Volume 14 - Chapters 54-57

this is just speculation though so don't take my word on it Jstraley420 02:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

anyone else think its worth editing the page with this speculation, presuming its more than likely right? --Midusunknown 03:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Speculation does not really have a place on Wikipedia, as that would violate the rule of no original research. So, no. Otherwise, a volume listing would be fine. —TangentCube /c /t  06:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I have all of those volumes in Japanese, and that is how they are compiled. Chibi Gohan 16:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

i think u are right ~~fromIlovedark

What If???

What if shortly after Ed and al's travels in this world the noticed someone that looked strikingly like Dante, in near Japan. Ed tells Al about there is everyone's double on the other side of the gate then remember that he already seen Dante's double. Looking for answers he runs around the town looking for her only to smell her scent on a peace of clothing he finds. So he run's back to Germany to look for answer to see was it really her and find the other girl still there without that scent. Ed knowing something is up go's to the building where they held envy to find him gone and something strange written on the stone's kill Hohenhim even tho his father is dead. He then run up stairs to the spot where he found the incomplete circle and tried to use it again to open it but didn't work. After that he and al both worry about there world and what is going on. Al tries to make him feel better about it telling him gluttony killed Dante, and his worrying for nothing. As he passes a man of African decent the man noticed Ed's automail, and approached him. They where from the same world but different time periods he was what could have been and Ed and Al was what was. He traveled back a forward between words learning magic of this world and of his world for over 700 years. He maintained his youth only because his father attached his soul to the body of three Homunculi combine through alchemy. And letter revealing that his father was there fathers teacher and that's where he went when he left home for his research. And Hohenhim was not willing to do as his father did with the fussing of homunculi because the homunculi have to be emotionally linked to the soul of the one that will be attached. And he explain that his body is made up of this fallen brothers and sister. Because the emotional attachment the body will not reject the soul since it is made of homunculi it will not die. But in the war on ishbal his father attached his brother's and sister's remains to the gate and he could not cross back over. Then he said something about a sweet smelling woman named Dante came to him asking a lot of questions and demanded the secret's of alchemy from him since his father just about knew them all expect one. And with that she flow away on what seemed to be a dragon(envy). So Ed and al were ready to try to find away to cross the gate to stop Dante but the man reviled that his father has been trying for years to deceiver the ultimate foam of alchemy and that is to truly become a God a living deity. And control both worlds. And he was trapped here because he tried to stop his father from making another mistake and started to talk about how he wished could have stopped his father from murdering his family, and doing what he did, etc. So he introduces them to his son from this side of the gate and started to teach them everything he knows and showed them how to return. And when they returned it was in the middle of the mountains over what was ishbal. They made the journey home to find that there house had been rebuilt, and as good as knew. When they seen this they knew it could only mean one thing. So they rushed in the house to find there father. There explained after he opened the other gate he found himself inside the gate once again and found his body that he started out with 400 years ago. The gate attached them together and then he found himself laying on there mother's grave. So they go in this big thing about how and why it happened because be returned all he gained and got back what he lost. The 400 years of memories, the stone, life and a homunculi son from the gate. Since Homunculi are from the other side of the gate, and his son returned to the other side of the gate where he came from and the stone was all used up when he opened the gate on the other side, and he also buried his feelings for his lost son and satisfied the homunculi revenge, and gave up the 400 plus years of memories he got his one wish to be able to become a father to his children. So then they tell him about Dante and Father and everything that's going on. All of a sudden he sees Winry out the window and step's outside to greet her, her eye's water, his water, he run's screaming her name, she do the same, etc., etc. So all 5 (Ed, Al, Hohenhim, Winrey, and the new dude) set out on the greatest journey of all time to stop father and Dante (and Winry learn alchemy that she apply to making her automail only and learn more along the way the new dude got a thing for rose) so how is that for a story line hit me up at Corey_giles2003@yahoo.com and tell me what you think make changes where you think there needed and maybe we can come up with a good enough story line to send to them and make them start a new season

dude you suck, no matter how much i would love to see another season of FMA you suck...

Wtf? Wikipedia is not a fan-written fiction community. Please peddle your community-written script projects elsewhere. Maybe you could start a wiki dedicated to this pursuit of yours. -FrostyBytes 13:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• Er. . . I'm sorry to say, that basing an article on a "what if" wouldn't be a good thing.

Wikipedia is a research site, basing on the actual events of something, not a fan's hopes. Sorry, but that's the way things go sometimes. HagaRen016 04:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)HagaRen016

The Humming Alchemist: Kimbly

In episode 38, the Crimson Alchemist known as Kimbly hums a familiar tune that anyone would just sign off as Beethoven's "Ode to Joy". The voice actor on the English track just sort of hums out some dissonant notes, but on the Japanese track it is clearly Ode to Joy. However, this is where it gets interesting. Kimbly lives in the world where Alchemy prevailed over Physics, this world is called "Amestris". The world where Beethoven lived is our world, where Physics and Mechanics prevailed over Alchemy. The name used for Earth is Terra. Those worlds never cross paths. I wonder how Kimbly knew that song to hum it? Everybody in each world has a theoretical opposite in the other world. Did the Beethoven in Amestris write the same pieces as the Beethoven in Terra? I wonder if the creators of FMA caught this... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.7.74.107 (talk • contribs).

Nice catch --Midusunknown 06:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Near the end of the series, Hohenheim says that the two worlds (Amestris and Earth) diverged from each other with the success of alchemy, and share the same common history before that point. So, the two worlds are not completely separate. Although this diverging point was definitely before Beethoven's lifetime, it's possible that he existed in both worlds, and wrote the same song in both. --Wikivader 16:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• Wow, I noticed the song too- Though, it didn't really connect til' now. . . I agree that there may have been a Beethoven in both worlds. HagaRen016 04:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)HagaRen016

The symbol on Ed's jacket and Al's shoulders

Is the meaning behind this symbol explained at any point during the series? I haven't seen the entire series, so if its meaning was given I may have missed it. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 18:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE: Nevermind, I did some more looking and found the references. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

what is it i forgot??? Ilovedark

The symbol is known ad Flamel's Cross, named for the great alchemist Nicholas Flamel, who was rumored to have created the Philosipher's Stone24.81.59.101 06:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Scientific backing section

Although there is chemistry involved in the alchemy presented in FMA, the process still appears to be in some way magical or paranormal, and thus I'm not certain that any extensive scientific backing can be given for what happens in the anime. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 21:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing the section; while theories such as this are nice, they are also original research, and are thus outside Wikipedia's scope. —TangentCube /c /t  23:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Running Gags Section

I strongly suggest we add a Running Gags or Rinning Jokes section to this page. First of all, we should write about how Alphonse is mistaken for the Fullmetal Alchemist b/ people think he is wearing armor and Edward always gets pissed off at this. Second, a good note would be characters constantly poking fun at Ed's height. Another may be Alphonse's unhealthy obsession with cats as well as well as Mustangs' constantly wanting to be more manly. I've only read the manga up to voulme ten and have not watched the anime, so I don't know if these themes are only used in the ten volumes that I have read, or if they are also featured on the show/later manga. If no one has a qualm with this, I will put up the section in about one week. Thank you! The Hero of Time 22:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not so sure why we would need such a section. If it's just going to be a list, perhaps it's better not to put it into the article; if it's to help with a summary of the manga's plot, perhaps it's better to draw up a full summary. There is also the matter of whether it would fall in Wikipedia's scope to have such a section; be mindful of WP:OR... —TangentCube /c /t  05:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it's not original research (the in-jokes the author puts in to each graphic novel are obvious to long time readers), but I see your concern. If I have enough time, I may just start a "Fullmetal Alchemist (manga)" page and, if it doesn't have enough information itself, it could just be merged to the existing FMA page (seeing as there is already a mildly long section relating to the anime, I don't see why the manga doesn't also have one). Anyway, I will begin compiling research right away, and will probably start the new article in a few weeks. Thanks again! The Hero of Time 22:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Chapter guide

I tried giving the guide a more "professional" look. Questions, conserns? FullMetal Falcon 19:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

For now, it has been placed in my sandbox. FullMetal Falcon 23:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

While I have no opinion either way concerning the look of the final product, I think we should hold off on "prettying it up" until after the manga finishes (whenever that is), as the current format seems a fair pain to update; instead of merely shifting the <td> tags to extend the list horizontally, one would have to create a new wikitable section and move (almost) all the chapter names around. —TangentCube /c /t  22:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It looks great FullMetal Falcon, It definitely sounds a lot less fan-ish, and a lot more professional. Great job.

Catgaard 05:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)Catgaard

GA Fail

• Images need fair use rationale
• References go after a full-stop
• References aren't formated properly, please check {{cite web}}

Basically aside from the lead and story, the rest of the article is just lists, turn it into prose. Before you re-nominate for GA i strongly advise you to take a peer review. M3tal H3ad 04:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Point

Added a trivia section and the one very, very obscure fact I recall. I have personally and repeatedly confirmed this, though have never heard it mentioned by another source and would appreciate verification. --72.150.206.24 04:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is original research and is therefore not allowed. We are not reliable sources. —TangentCube /c /t  02:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Characters of FMA Template

Does THIS have any significance? RecklessFire 00:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Internal navigation and the decluttering of the main FMA template. --tjstrf talk 00:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not that so much–the main template has all the same links, minus one–but it's a useful replacement for Template:Main in this instance. Even if it is kinda scrunched up. —TangentCube /c /t  00:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

What's up with the Manga Translations?

In the paragraphs before the chapter list, it says that Viz is up to Vol. 11 and the project is ongoing, but right before the list, it says that they stopped at Vol. 10. Which is right and which needs to be removed? --RockMaster 02:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It says the listed translations are up to volume ten. Once someone gets ahold of volume eleven, the list will be updated accordingly. —TangentCube /c /t  07:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Possible Spoiler - Opening and End Themes

I was browsing through the article, and thought that the reference to Maes Hughes' funeral replacing the end theme of ep. 25 warrants a spoiler tag. If I hadn't seen the series before, I'd be pretty peeved at that little secret being revealed! Indja 12:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Paracelsus?

Great guy and all, but why is he in the see also section? Not even alchemy (real world version) is linked, XD... Jaimeastorga2000 06:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Alchemy is linked in the Plot section. Paracelsus isn't anywhere else. —TangentCube /c /t  06:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

How advanced Amestris' military really is?

Please excuse me, a new fan to the series, but I would like to know few things about Amestris' military. Just how advanced it really is? Do they have tanks or any armored vehicles, aircraft and warships? What kind of small arms (the small arms I have seen so far are all straight from history books) the military uses? Only few episodes have been aired here in Finland so far, but I am eager to know more about the series. *cough*addicted*cough (just kidding :D).

With warm regards, --Kurt Leyman 13:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

- This is what we do know, Kurt. Amestris' military is comprised of several technological implications similar to what Terra (our world) had in the early 20th century. Yes, they did have tanks, and yes, their firearms took the shape of anything from Colts to Muskets. I believe I saw someone use a submachine gun in one of the episodes, but I'm not completely certain. There are no flying implications (i.e. no planes or what have you), because the citizens of Amestris developed Alchemy over Physics and Mechanics, thereby rendering them flightless (flight requires the latter two). If you have any more questions, Kurt, just post them and I'll respond forthwith.

The information that you've given Kurt pertains only to the Anime, where we know about Amestris and our world being related. Nothing in the manga states that Alchemy developed over Physics. As for Mechanics, certainly not! Take a look at automail, for example. As far as we know, the technology in Fullmetal Alchemist is similar to the early 20th century, with some exceptions and fantasy-tweaks (such as the automail) --HayashiKun 03:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

You must not study physics and mechanics, because there is more to mechanics than metal and machines. It also takes dynamics, the study of forces and reactions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.7.111.161 (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Wow, I just reread my input. I'm pretty stuck-up, huh? Yes, there are differences between the manga and anime, and I should have pointed that out before I just ran off talking about the anime. As for the automail, it takes quite a bit of science to put it together, so why didn't they implement that technology (or that scale of technology) into flying machines? Pardon me, but I'm only a soon-to-be junior in high school, and I'm still getting my bearings in the fields of science and mathematics. In conclusion, you shouldn't let yourself get too caught up with fabricated concepts in cartoons. Anime is better than American cartoons (because it is more serious, with more serious/mature concepts), but we shouldn't get to high and dry on fictional things like this. I was wrong, I understand that. Forgive me.

I am sure automail is powered by alchemy and not science or anything 210.49.21.150 14:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Anime copyright on images?

An image (Image:Lust.JPG) is being removed from the Homunculi of the Fullmetal Alchemist anime article due to lack of appropriate copyright, source, and fair-use information. I know of several companies associated with Fullmetal Alchemist, so I am wondering who actually owns the copyright on what? Especially, I would like to know what information should go onto images from the Fullmetal Alchemist anime to be sufficient to prevent those images from being removed. -- Lilwik 10:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Screencaps are legally owned by the company that owns copyright over the anime. There's also associated copyrights on derivative works, specifically, the person who took the screencap. Ideally speaking, we would claim fair-use with regards to the first copyright, and have the second copyright waived through some open license or public domain-ing of the work, which may not be the case if the screencap was ripped from a random fan website. (Of course, I am not a lawyer.) — Edward Z. Yang^(Talk) 17:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that the company that owns copyright over the anime is Bones. What is an associated copyright? You either own the image or you don't own it. I can't imagine what an 'associated' ownership would mean. I really hope that I don't need to discover who took the screenshots for all our Fullmetal Alchemist images because I am sure that is impossible.

Copyrights are usually attached to dates. If Bones owns the copyright, then what date should go with that? The original airdate of the episode? -- Lilwik 22:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Original air date is good. However, I think you'll have to find out who took the screen-cap, because there is a certain amount of "work" involved with taking a screen-shot, even though the majority of the work is copyrighted by the company. — Edward Z. Yang^(Talk) 01:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

pod casts

ther is a podcast caled The Annotated Alchemist search full mittle alchamist (not as i spelled it)Tdk jon 02:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Volume 12 released

Changed the text within the Manga section to reflect that volume 12 has already been released. I don't know the date for V. 13 though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Veridicum (talk • contribs) 21:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Surely it's not too much trouble to wait for the official release dates? —TangentCube /c /t  02:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

OVAs

According to Anime News Network, Fullmetal Alchemist has 3 or 4 OVAs (depending on whether you count the live action one). Perhaps this should be mentioned in the summary in the top-right corner of the article. Heihachi 21:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

also, what are the titles of the OVA's 84.130.158.217 23:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

In the Manga

¿In the manga has Ed returned Al and himself back to normal yet?

No, and it is a loooooooooooooooooooooong way from happening!

Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard

A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

list of people of the anim ?

I think this article should include a list of people as in the french version.

Doublehp 13:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Shonen Demographic?

I noticed that the demographic of FMA in the article is listed as Shonen, grouped together with animes like DBZ and InuYasha. I find that this is incorrect because if you look at the plot and structure of other shonen, it's completely different. Plus, there's the fact that in America, FMA is shown on Adult Swim, which is geared towards the 18-24 year old male audience. It seems to fit in more with the Cowboy Bebop and Trigun genre(s) and audience. Furthermore, the issues, philosophies, and violence portrayed in the anime and manga are quite mature for a young audience. Shonen tend to portray simple action violence (i.e. InuYasha, DBZ, One Piece, Bleach), while FMA talks about death and destruction in a less fantastical form. Like when Hughes dies (manga and anime). Think about how real it was. How his daughter cried "They can't bury Daddy! Daddy! DADDY!" and feeling your heart being torn out. I only saw that part in the manga, and people have told me that it was even more emotional in the anime. Do you think that the shonen demographic would be able to handle that? ForestAngel 09:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Just because other titles marketed as shōnen have certain conventions does not mean that all shōnen titles must slavishly conform to those conventions. The term, as a demographic, only describes the intended audience; since Fullmetal Alchemist is serialized in a shōnen magazine, it is a shōnen title. Death Note, anyone? —TangentCube, Dialogues 14:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I still believe that FMA belongs more in the Seinen demographic. I think that any 12 year old would be traumatized by a lot of the blood and gore shown in FMA. Like Scar getting his arm blown off? ForestAngel 11:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

This would be incredibly tame by seinen standards. And how would "any 12 year old"—meaning, by expansion, "every 12 year old"—be traumatized by the level of violence in FMA? An argument based on a generalized assumption better have a fair amount of sourcing behind it—I'd be willing to bet there's some people who've played Manhunt at 12 and not come out traumatized. —TangentCube, Dialogues 14:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you looked at the title of the magazine it's published in? Monthly Shonen Gangan. It isn't Seinen by a long shot. For blood, have you seen Naruto, Bleach, or even Magic Knight Rayearth? Even Shaman King has appendages being cut off in later volumes. My little brother was playing Resident Evil 4 when he was 12/13, and he didn't even have a nightmare. Case in point, FMA is shonen. Jezebel Parks 16:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

American standards are not the same as Asian standards. People in America try to shield children from violence and sex. A 12year old in America isn't exposed to as much violence and sex in games, and television as a 12year old in Japan. Watching an anime with someone getting cut to pieces in Japan is normal, over here, parents would throw a fit to find something like that on day time TV. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 23:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

ForestAngel was saying "the plot and structure" of FMA it's completely different from other shounen titles, but I actually think it's the same. They're all about being the best you can be: Naruto wants to be the Hokage, Yoh wants to be the Shaman King and Goku wants to be stronger than everybody else.

FMA is made in the same mold: the Elric Brothers want to be the best alchemists in Amestris. How? By finding the Philosopher's Stone. It's allegory.--Nohansen 16:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The FMA style is shōnen, simple. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

What I see as a serious problem

If "manga" is a Japanese word for comic book or print cartoon and this is a English version article, then it should say "comic" and not "manga". I'm sure 99% of people will disagree with me, but there is obviously a case of english-language-mutilatation-for-the-sake-of-wanting-to-make-a-japanese-word-a-english-one. This should really be changed. 71.82.98.241 22:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Manga is not just a word for comic, but a differnt style of drawing. Compare FMA style to X-men style drawings, there's a difference. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 23:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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Is Full Metal Alchemist Shōnen Jump?¿ Uzumaki Dude 06:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You can read the article, right? —TangentCube, Dialogues 20:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Lost religion?

I do recall hearing about a religion in FMA that was lost many years before. It was mentioned in episode Hohenheim of Light. Lyra was talking about a religion lost a long time before, because it was a taboo. This said religion only had one god. Could this lost religion be Christianity? -Yancyfry 04:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes. —TangentCube, Dialogues 06:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. -Yancyfry 02:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Completely missed Rosé on the Character listing

I noticed, Rosé isn't even mentioned on the minor characters page, but shes referenced in Noah's little discription, also with her the Baby should be mentioned. R.L. Nieman 05:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC) R.L. Nieman.

She is located on the Minor characters of Fullmetal Alchemist page, as she is a minor character and not notable enough to be in the major character listing. Jezebel Parks 06:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

What is he name of the track used in the ending of the episode Soul of the guardian? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.64.131.178 (talk) 11:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

"Tobira no Mukō e" ("To the Other Side of the Door") by Yellow Generation. -Yancyfry 01:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much.But what I meant was the name of the track played in the background when Barry the chopper brainwashes Alphonse.Could you please tell that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.64.76.124 (talk) 06:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, uh. I wish I knew. Sorry. -Yancyfry 01:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)