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[edit] Persian Phonology

Please do not change sourced material. If you have an academic source, then please include it for discussion. Please follow wikipedia policies. Thanks. Azalea pomp (talk) 20:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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Dj1AM, thank you for your efforts to improve wikipedia. If you have reliable sources for your more controversial edits, please include them. We are all trying to make wikipedia the best encyclopedia possible, and while we don't always see eye to eye on some things, we can all agree that reliable sources will help WP align with current scholarship.

Specifically concerning Persian phonology, if you have reliable sources for your edits, this would help ease the slight friction that some of us are feeling. Unfortunately Odden's pedagogical excercise isn't really a reliable source. If there are not reliable sources for these changes, please be understanding why others might prefer a different version.

Thanks again for your efforts, –jonsafari (talk) 05:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dj1AM. Yes, this whole issue seems to revolve around reliable sources (either for or against trilled r, in this case). Having dealt with this subject, I've had plenty of difficulty finding reliable sources for many aspects of Persian phonology. Even the IPA handbook is less than perfect in this respect (!). I see David Odden around every once in a while, so I guess I could ask him his opinion, but know that he has never published anything (AFAIK) on Persian phonology specifically (nor does he speak the language), so even he wouldn't be as reliable as we'd like.

The closest thing to a RS that I've seen is Mahootian (1997:292)'s short discussion on Persian phonology (your local university library might have it). She's not a phonetician or phonologist, but is a native speaker with a PhD in linguistics, and is pretty well-respected in the Persian linguistics field in general, and is quite well-rounded in linguistics -- she'd have to be for Bernard Comrie to want her to write a descriptive grammar of the language. I posted this reference yesterday on the Persian phonology article.

I'll try to cite this ref more in the relevant articles, so that there's at least some reference out there on this issue.

I guess the whole point of RS is that nobody needs to (necessarily) believe what another editor is writing, so long as the RS backs up their claim. So you don't need to believe others' unsourced edits, but likewise they don't need to believe you when you say you don't remember your sources, even if they are backed up by your personal encounters with native speakers. RS is the only fallback we have here on WP for disagreements on the veracity of something, and so unfortunately recollections of sources and personal experiences aren't enough.

So for the time being, until there are some good RS to back up the pervasive trilled r, all we have to rely on as a RS is Mahootian (1997:292), which says otherwise. But I'm more than happy to entertain alternative theories when you come up with RS to back them up.

Thanks for your williingness to discuss the topic. –jonsafari (talk) 20:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR Warning

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