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Cape Canaveral named Cape Kennedy. Why was it changed back?

People didn't like the name

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Something is messed up here with redirects:

• Talk:Cape Canaveral -> Talk:Cape Cañaveral (place)

but

• Cape Cañaveral (place) -> Cape Canaveral

It appears the article name is right. I'm going to fix the talk page. -- Chuq 15:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Weather question 2 Cape Canaveral is not home to KSC 3 Citation Needed? 4 People Living On Canaveral? 5 Fair use rationale for Image:The Simpsons 1F13 Cape Canaveral sign.jpg

[edit] Weather question

The article gave reasons as to why it was built in Florida, but why didn't they take into account to frequent bad weather that is typical of Florida? It seems like every launch is delayed at least once due to weather, which is a huge waste of taxpayer money.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.240.182.65 (talk • contribs)

Location, location, location. And no place has perfect weather. -- Donald Albury 22:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

The weather is better in Florida than in most places. Shuttle launches are just very sensitive. If you had it out in the desert somewhere, you might be better off, but there aren't any deserts as far south in the continental US. Lattitude is a big concern, and putting all the parts on boats every time you send new equipment in or the shuttle has to land at an alternate site would be a nightmare. Athaler 07:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The article makes clear that you need a site that faces the ocean to the east and is as close as possible to the Equator, and that logistics make Hawaii and Puerto Rico impractical. Mainland US + east cost + closest to equator = Florida. No other option. Also, as the article on Challenger disaster notes, "31 °F (−0.5 °C), the minimum temperature permitted for launch." Afternoon thunderstorms in the summer, with the occasional attendant hail, are the trade-off for hardly ever having sub-freezing temperatures. Also, some delays are due to wind beyond the permitted limits. Not many places are totally wind-free, especially near the ocean. (See Sea breeze. The US's deserts are in the western third of the country. Launching eastward, which is done for the reasons in the article (Earth's spin), puts the rocket's path over 2/3 of the US land, much of it heavily inhabited. The article on Vandenberg Air Force Base notes that a Space Shuttle launch facility was planned and started there. Its Southern California location has frequent coastal fog, but much less rain than Florida and vastly fewer thunderstorms. The Challenger disaster pointed out the risk of launching eastward over the entire mainland US, so the Vandenberg Shuttle plan was abandoned. Vandenberg is still used for ballistic-missile tests (where the help of Earth's spin to get to orbit is irrelevant, so you can launch over the ocean to the west) and for polar-orbit launches, where Cape Canaveral would have to launch north across the heavily-populated eastern US. You can't have everything! Unimaginative Username (talk) 06:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cape Canaveral is not home to KSC

It is a common misconception that the Kennedy Space Center is in Cape Canaveral. This is not true. While launch pads 39A and 39B are accross the Banana river on Cape Canaveral, the entire Kennedy Space Center is on Merritt Island, including it's headquarters. Cape Canaveral became known only because the launch pads for the Shuttles and previous launch vehicles are across the Banana river on an isolated strip of land that is considered Cape Canaveral. 130.76.96.14 18:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)jkrup44

Not quite. Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, which actually *is* on Cape Canaveral, was and still is the site of unmanned launches, long before KSC existed. This map shows the several dozen launch sites on CCAFS/Cape Canaveral. Note that Launch Site 46 is practically on the very tip of the Cape itself. Unimaginative Username (talk) 07:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation Needed?

The article says this and someone says that a citation is needed. "The "Cape Kennedy" name shows up in some 1960s TV shows, at least in episodes of "Flipper" and "I Dream of Jeannie".[citation needed]" Isn't this sort of ridiculous considering the fact that that the citation is the shows themselves. If the article says the name "Cape Kennedy" appeared in these shows, how could there be further citation? All one has to do it refer to the shows. Mirlin 21:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. -- Donald Albury 23:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

This comment is conserning what happens on TV. As such, it should be treated like an article on a TV show, following the rules that statements about TV shows follow. When you write about a TV show it is not needed to site sources other than the TV show for something that happened on the TV show. I see no need for a citation here. The TV shows are the citations for the comment. I will remove it, and if anyone still thinks it should be there then they can put that back, or find a source for it themselves (though I don't know where a citation could posibly be found on this.) SadanYagci 23:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted your removal of the 'fact' tag. Please do not ever remove such tags without supplying a citation to a reliable source. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden of evidence. If no independent reliable source has written about the items, then they do not meet the verifiability policy, and don't belong in Wikipedia. -- Donald Albury 23:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not original research to say "X" was mentioned in a particular TV show, any more than it would be to say a particular actor starred in a TV show. The source there would be the TV show itself, in the credits, and that's no more original research than taking various statistics and forming them into a list, or subtracting two figures to say something like "the city lost X people between the 1990 and 2000 census". That's not what the original research policy prohibits. As for verifiability and reliable sources, what more reliable source is there for a TV show than the show itself? Anyone can watch the show (just as they can look up something in a book) and verify that the term is mentioned in the show. The citation tags here aren't needed. PaulGS 18:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the TV show "Flipper" was set at the Space Coast, as claimed.Eregli bob (talk) 11:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] People Living On Canaveral?

Just one question: do people live on Cape Canaveral or no? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.151.77 (talk) 02:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

Depends on how you define the area of the cape. People certainly live in Cape Canaveral, Florida. -- Donald Albury 22:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course! Cape canaveral is a thriving city, with many hotels, condos, restraunts, bars, businesses, and of course beaches. The remote area where launches take place is in an isolated area, accessible only from the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, or the Kennedy Space Center. Port Canaveral, which is in Cape Canaveral is home to many cruise ships too.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:The Simpsons 1F13 Cape Canaveral sign.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)