Talk:Augusta National Golf Club

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Items to add:

• Green jackets
• Fruitland Nurseries, original property owner
• Alistair Mackenzie, designer
• Opened in 1933
• List of club chairmen
• Pictures

--Added. I didn't cite the source since I believe this is pubically known fact. In case someone feels otherwise, I found the info at: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/masters/2002-10-10-augusta-facts.htm Jxyama 01:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

• Club courses (main 18 hole, 9 hole par 3)
• Address (2604 Washington Rd, Augusta, GA 30904)

Contents 1 Conservative viewpoint 2 Holes 3 Eisenhower tree 4 Amen Corner 5 Membership section and POV 6 Amen Corner and non-encyclopedic text 7 Faldo/Wogan incedent 8 Membership fees 9 Need Sources tags

[edit] Conservative viewpoint

Okay, okay, this article is young and uncomprehensive. But the first thing a conservative will see lacking is any mention of the saturation coverage of Augusta National's policy towards women members by the New York Times, which has become a canonical example of its Liberal media bias.

If you'd like to add a section to the article about its controversial membership policy, of course feel free. My mention of the commercial-free broadcast of The Masters was added specifically to touch on the subject. I'd suggest, however, that it should be focused more on the golf club itself and less on liberal media bias. Dmleach 15:08, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree, if for no other reason than Martha Burke's protest turned out to be one of the most ineffectual in history.--Buckboard 11:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holes

As we have the names of each hole, could someone make a chart giving the par and approximate yardage for each? I think it would add to the article. -R. fiend 15:34, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We need a scorecard template.--Buckboard 11:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eisenhower tree

Thank you so much, anonymous user! I've read from a few sources that Roberts immediately adjourned the meeting after Ike's request, but never why. I'm glad someone that understood what happened took the time to add that clarification (12/14/05 revision). --Dmleach 23:12, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Amen Corner

I've pasted in the content of a stub about Amen Corner, but it was inconsistent with this article, so I have requested citations for both theories. Scranchuse 15:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

More pictures would make this page much better

[edit] Membership section and POV

This is always going the most contentious section of the article. For my part, I don't have a strong opinion on whether or not the club should admit women. I think it's sad that they don't, but I think it's their right not to. I say this now because I don't want anyone to think I'm pulling out POV speech because I disagree with it.

I removed the following text from the section because there are no references. If anyone can find citations to back it up, feel free to add it back with the reference:

• "(a very low number considering both the unmatched quality of the golf course and the vast wealth of many of the club's members)." A good reference would be the membership fees for other, similarly prestigious and well-known country clubs. At any rate "unmatched quality" and "vast wealth" have no place in the article.
• "The present chairman of the Club, William "Billy" Payne, has maintained the position that the club is private and holds the right to determine who the members are with no regard to sex, creed, or race of a prospective member of the club." In fact, I found just the opposite; Payne is taking the "high road" approach every chairman other than Hootie Johnson took and is saying nothing. If you can find a real quote, add it back with a reference.

I removed the following text from the section because it's POV:

• "...non-policy policy against..." Replaced with "lack of female membership"
• "...led to a huge public row..." Replaced with "received national attention"
• "...the little-known [NCWO]..." Removed, no reason to have it
• "The club's official reply, from then-chairman Hootie Johnson, was that the club would not be told how to run its own affairs by an outsider, especially not "at the point of a bayonet."" Seems more relevant to an article about Hootie Johnson and how he handled the protests. This is the one edit I'm willing to admit I may have swung too far the other way on.
• "As the controversy has died down, commercials resumed in 2005 with sponsorship by ExxonMobil, IBM and AT&T." Removed, it's minutia

--Dmleach 14:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amen Corner and non-encyclopedic text

I removed the following text from the Amen Corner section:

Amen Corner is legendary amongst golfing enthusiasts, both amateur and professional alike. The scenic view of blooming azaleas during Augusta National's hosting of The PGA Masters Tournament each spring in early April has become ceremonial rite for ladies and gentleman to include in business, social, educational, civic, community and even religious interactions. During the 2006 televised broadcast of 'The Masters', simultaneous live webcasting was available which seamlessly and prodigiously linked past and present, tradition and technology, grace and honor.

The privacy of any golf club or golfing community is likened to the privacy of prayer, a sacred communion between earthly humanity and divine inspiration. Augusuta's 'Amen Corner' may have been inked by a sports writer; but in golf as in life The Amen Corner has deep roots in the tried and true hearts of fervent worshipers who have served, survived, sacrificed in steadfast faith and hope through generations in America. Although G.O.L.F. at one time demurely denoted Gentleman Only Ladies Forbidden, today all golfers who have experienced AUGUSTA'S AMEN CORNER know without doubt that G.O.L.F. confidently connotes God Our Loving Father. Amen Corner is not only legendary, it is eternal.

It's a lovely essay, and I'd encourage the user to place it on his or her personal page, but it really doesn't have any place in an encyclopedic article. --Dmleach 17:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I re-removed it. It had come back in this form:

Amen Corner is legendary amongst golfing enthusiasts, both amateur and professional alike. During the 2006 Masters tournament there was live internet coverage from 'Amen Corner' via webcamera and webcasting. The scenic view of blooming azaleas during The PGA Masters Golf Tournament each April is ceremonial rite for gentleman and ladies. Now with broadcasting and webcasting, a wider audience has opportunity to enjoy both the game and sport of golf, along with the history and traditions of golf.

The privacy of any sports club or golfing community is likened to the privacy of prayer--a sacred communion between humanity and divinity. Augusta National's 'Amen Corner' is a divinely inspired and impeccably tended sanctuary. Like so many other national cornerstones, the amen corner is a deeply rooted American passage. At one time G.O.L.F. may have exclusively denoted Gentleman Only Ladies Forbidden, however, each individual who has experienced AUGUSTA'S AMEN CORNER knows that G.O.L.F. humbly harkens God Our Loving Father. In the words of the legendary Texas gentleman and golfer, Lord Byron Nelson, "Amen Corner is like heaven here on earth."

Agreed with the above reasoning, it doesn't belong in the article. Carl Lindberg 17:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Faldo/Wogan incedent

Might be worth adding that the club took action against Nick Faldo after he let British chat show hoast Terry Wogan try on his green jacket. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Djarra (talk • contribs) 15:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Membership fees

An anonymous editor (maybe correctly) changed the fees from $250,000 to $500,000 to $25,000 to $50,000. The former seems ridiculous, but I'll leave it to someone else to determine which is correct. - Dudesleeper Talk 15:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need Sources tags

These tags are a bit gratuitous given the secrecy of the Augusta National. Membership lists, initiation fees and so on are generally not disclosed by the club and so remain educated or secondhand speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughespj (talk • contribs) 16:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)