Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bianca Golden
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Subject fails BIO1E. She is an also-ran on a television game show, notable only in that context. The fact that a print model gets work as a print model is not notable. We have articles for the winner, runner-up and 3rd place contestants from ANTM. The others are not noteworthy, apart from their appearance on ANTM, and have yet to establish themselves as leaders in their chosen profession. Consequently, I am nominating all but the top 3 finishers from the ANTM cycles for deletion. In time they may prove notable enough for an article in the encyclopedia but until then they are quite well represented at all the various ANTM articles and the ANTM dedicated wiki. L0b0t (talk) 01:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Delete Per my above nom. L0b0t (talk) 02:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Toccara Jones No opinion on the rest. Jones was the host of a game show that lasted 85 episodes. As the host, this makes her notable, IMO. Dismas|(talk) 02:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Toccara Jones per Dismas; reasonably notable career after the show. Possibly keep for Kim Stolz as well, since she's been on TV regularly since. I'd redirect all the others to an appropriate article, either a list of contestants or the article on that season of ANTM. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Jones and Stolz they are successful models, have hosted numzerous shows or worked as correspondants and had small acting gigs. Markley is one of the most successful contestants of the show (winners included) so I guess that makes her notable. Strauss and Golden have been discussed a while back and the result was Keep as they are both successful and memorable contestants. Kuzmich has gotten a lot opf articles in various newspapers for her Asperger (including the New-York Times and one in the French version of Closer) so that makes her notable too. She also co-holds the record for most CoverGirl of the Week titles. Siemgi (talk • contribs) 08:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I think you need to renominate separately. The individuals are not of the same notability. But here goes:
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- Bianca_Golden - weak delete : has had some activity since the show, but with one covershot, I would probably say she's under borderline notable per WP:ENTERTAINER for now.
- Nnenna_Agba - weak delete I was about to default to AfD in December 2006, but she seems to have had a few important gigs since the show. However, none of the gigs references are from reliable sources.
- Heather_Kuzmich - weak delete : has had some activity since the show, but with one covershot, is probably under borderline notable for now per WP:ENTERTAINER. However, none of the gigs references appear to be from reliable sources.
- Lisa_Jackson_(Model) - delete : has had a small handful of modelling gigssince the show which, I believe, does not put her above the bar of notability for now per WP:ENTERTAINER.
- Toccara_Jones - keep - appears to have found notoreity as a TV presenter.
- Ann_Markley - delete per plenty of precedents - no significant achievements since the show. default to AfD in March 2007
- Brittany_Brower - weak delete : has had some activity since the show, I believe under borderline notable for now per WP:ENTERTAINER. In addition, none of the gigs references appear to be from reliable sources.
- Cassandra_Whitehead - keep default to AfD in November 2006
- Lisa_D'Amato - weak keep, per her activities since the show, which appear to be adequately sourced.
- Kim_Stolz- weak delete : has had some activity since the show, I believe under borderline notable for now per WP:ENTERTAINER. However, I cannot decide if the gigs' references are from sufficiently reliable sources.
- Sarah_VonderHaar - delete per plenty of precedents - no significant achievements since the show, except being a Youtube artist.
- Jael_Strauss - delete per plenty of precedents - no significant achievements since the show. Ohconfucius (talk) 10:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
By the way, if every runner-up deserves his own page, why was Nik Pace's deleted? As for the models's achievement you can see their picture galleries here: http://all-antm.net/index.php . Markley (Cosmo, Cover Magazine, 2 Style Covers, face of Free People Wear), D'Amato (face of Daftbird clothing, Lip service clothing and Clementine clothing + several magazine spreads by Amanda Brooks) and Strauss (face of Hitch Couture) all have over 100 pictures of printwork. And to answer Ohconfucius, Kim Stolz has hosted the MTV movie awards, is an MTV VJ, covered the Fiercees for MTV and has had several covers (Knit, Go NYC...) so to me she's a keep. Siemgi (talk • contribs) 11:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Fierce; someone actually put these all up. Anyway:
- Toccara Jones/Kim Stolz: Keep, as both have been television presenters and are still active. I think Toccara is obvious (Celebrity Fit Club contestant, BET host), but Kim has also done a lot of MTV (she did some interviewing at the MTV Awards thing recently).
- Lisa D'Amato: Weak Keep. She has found some notoriety outside of the ANTM bubble, with coverage on Perez Hilton's site and such.
- Everyone else: Delete. They have done nothing notable enough to be on Wikipedia. SKS2K6 (talk) 14:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Keep for Heather Kuzmich, spokesperson for autism/asperger, did a Carol's daughter add, very popular contestant to this day. Also strong keep for Ann Markley (in the top three most successful) and Jael Strauss (dealt with the death of a friend by drug overdose in the public eye, had her WTF moments like when she got thrown in the pool by 50Cent, her article states she was voted as one of the most memorable contestants by AOL, by the way so were Markley, Jones and Bower, has a huge campaign with Hitch couture).
- Keep for Toccara Jones and Kim Stolz, TV personalities, do I really need to explain? Same goes for Lisa D'Amato, she seems to have had some good coverage.
- Weak Keep for Bianca Golden, she walked for several designer, was one of the most outrageous contestants on the show, had a spread in Essence recently, it hasn't been a year since Cycle 9 was over and she already has booked quite many jobs. Same weak keep goes for Sarah Vonderhaar, she is a model, musician and, I think, actress. Her CD got her some news coverage.
- For the other ones I don't really know. I mean, they don't really level up to the other girls in terms of notability but each one of them has something that makes her notable inside ANTM and as Toccara Jones said on the Tyra Show, ANTM is a quite high rated show and being notable in it sometimes is enough to make you notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.194.35.225 (talk) 08:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Keep for Brittany Bower, her page has a lot of links and she has been featured in several magazine.
- Keep for Heather Kuzmich, Jael Strauss, Toccara Jones and Kim Stolz. No need to talk about the last two, it has been covered already. About Jael, if there is one notable non-top-three contestant in ANTM, that's her, she has a longstanding deal with Hitch Couture, sued after someone published some underage naked pictures of her... Heather is to Autism what Caridee is to Psoriasis or Fatima to FGM.
- Weak Keep for Bianca Golden, Ann Markley, Nnenna Agba and Lisa D'Amato. Bianca is quite successful for a non winning contestant in a recent cycle, she appeared in a music video for Will I Am, has walked many runways and had a spread in Essence (which is kinda big in the "black model" world). Lisa, well this has been covered amready too. Ann is quite successful even though it is not so covered by gossip sites or such, same for Nnenna although on a lower level.
- Weak delete for the rest. Having been on the show, won CoverGirl titles or quit makes them a little notable nonetheless.
To me the main problem with those article is not notability, it's that some of them need to be rewritten a bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.129.225.186 (talk) 11:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- I'm still not convinced. Again I must stress that a model getting work as a model is no more notable than a chef getting work in a restaurant or a teacher getting work at a school. Toccara Jones is the only one here who even tries to demonstrate some notability outside of ANTM. One girl has Asperger's, so what. Many people have many afflictions. Having a disease, even being a model with a disease is just not notable. D'Amato gets drunk and exposes herself, that's not notable, that's just a weeknight on Bourbon St. None of these articles contain anything that could not be fit into the articles for their respective seasons on ANTM or, better still, transwikied to the ANTM dedicated wiki. Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 16:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: Not that I don't generally agree with you, but I gotta point out a few things: [A] Heather got coverage on the New York Times. That's gotta count for something. (I know I voted for her deletion earlier, but I guess I'm just playing devil's advocate here.) [B] Kim Stolz is now an MTV personality, doing things for MTV News and co-hosting the preshow for the MTV Video Awards.
- The NYT article only mentions her BECAUSE she is a contestant on ANTM that has Asperger's, not because she is a notable person with Asperger's or because Asperger's has made her notable. She still fails BIO1E. Stolz writes for one of MTV's websites, has she achieved acclaim or notoriety in the field of journalism? No, she just has a byline on website. She hosted a preshow for the MTV movie awards, so what? Just being on television is not notable. These subjects, quite simply, fail here, here, and here. Notoriety and notability are not the same thing. Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 18:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: Not that I don't generally agree with you, but I gotta point out a few things: [A] Heather got coverage on the New York Times. That's gotta count for something. (I know I voted for her deletion earlier, but I guess I'm just playing devil's advocate here.) [B] Kim Stolz is now an MTV personality, doing things for MTV News and co-hosting the preshow for the MTV Video Awards.
