User talk:Anchoress

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Anchoress is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia soon.

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*Archive 1: 2005 Archive 2: January–July 2006 Archive 3: August-December 2006

Contents 1 Yrgh vs Juppiter 2 Double nucleus 3 Caribbean cuisine 4 Re: Pregnancy fetishism 5 Buenos Aires 6 Cat:csd 7 RE: Help over at CAT:CSD 8 Random Smiley Award 9 Template 10 Er over the top 11 Need help please 12 Whoops 13 Go me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!1!!1 14 Removed prod on Natalie Talson‎; 15 UCFD 16 Cleanup templates 17 WikiProject Environment 18 Eh, kids 19 Thanks for Your Understanding 20 somnambulist's appreciation for the funambulist 21 help desk reply 22 Pinned 23 So there's no confusion... 24 IRC 25 Laura Smith Haviland 26 User talk:Wnjr 27 Problems with hyperlinks and msft access 27.1 The XML solution 28 The Excel - Access problem 29 Username 30 Hello 31 Kd lvr on WP:ANI 32 Calling Wikipedia Google Queen 33 ta 34 There is a third option 35 Overhauling suggestions 36 Help meeeeeeeeeeeeee___eeeeeeeeeeeeee___eeeeeeeeeeeee 37 Barnstar 38 Thanx 39 Question 40 copyediting help 41 Reward? 42 Nice 43 Gigantoraptor 44 New task force 45 Featured article nomination for ocean sunfish article 46 Thanks... 47 Far far beneath in the abysmal sea 48 Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2 49 3RR noticeboard 50 Lighten up 51 deletion of your recent posting 52 your comments 53 a note at WP:EAR 54 RFC 55 wikibreak date 56 serial killer tag 57 WP:3 58 Vulcan Barnstar 59 Abeer Quasim Hamza 60 Speedy deletion of Clay Tyson 61 Clay Tyson AfD 62 Request for help re format 63 Thanks 64 Gigantoraptor DYK nom credit 65 Adult-child sex 66 Zeitgeist, the Movie 67 Re: out of process merge 68 Thank you 69 Leon's COI 70 Stop deleting thread. 71 Reply 72 VPP 73 McCartney 73.1 Yanking a Yank's anchoress-chain 73.2 This simple Canadian girl is very confused... 74 References for Jonathan Roy 75 RfA Thanks 76 WikiProject Vancouver 77 Vancouver 2008 Meetup 78 Proposal 79 References question

[edit] Yrgh vs Juppiter

Hi. Thanks for posting that link to the personal attacks noticeboard. My time here on WP has thus far been fairly sedate, so I didn't realize there was such a thing. (Oops)

(Just a bit of background: Juppiter and other parties have publicly apologized to Yrgh, but he has refused to accept them as sincere. It looks to be shaping up into something nasty in the end. Oh well...) --SandChigger 02:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Happy to pass on what I know. Anchoress 03:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Double nucleus

I can attempt to write an article on VCC 128 (which I will probably identify by its UGCA number), but it will take be time to understand the science behind the press release. Dr. Submillimeter 02:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to take so long to reply to you. I read your note to me but for some reason I didn't respond. But that's cool, thanks for the helpful reply and action, and I'll look out for it! Anchoress 17:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Caribbean cuisine

Before you tag something as a copyvio, make sure you have a look at the page history. It's very clear from the page history that that article is the work of various editors spanning at least 5 years. In addition, the page you said it was copied from clearly credited Wikipedia (although not enough for them not to be in violation of the GFDL). Please be more careful when tagging articles - almost all our articles are mirrored somewhere. Guettarda 14:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I certainly will continue to make every effort to be careful about copyvio tags, and I ask that you take a generous, open-minded approach to your communication. I did look at the page history, quite carefully actually, and I did not see what you saw. Furthermore, I looked carefully at the site I cited as the copyvio source and I did not see a credit to Wikipedia. I thank you to assume goodwill of your fellow editors, we are just doing our best. Anchoress 14:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Pregnancy fetishism

Thank you very much, anchoress. I'm particularly a newbie on wikipedia and found the pregnancy fetishism article, which is shocking. To know an actual pregnancy experience (I had 3 children, 2 sons and a daughter) will tell them striaght forward. I hope they got disgusted and rather not obsess over her hypersexually, but I truly feel pregnancy has a beauty attached to it by the greatness of god or whatever you believe in, it's all the same in the mystique and sanctity of women giving birth to new babies to the world. For starters, Pregnancy isn't to look "sexually abnormal", a major obnoxious theme in prego fetish web sites and chat forums. All right have a good day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.3.14.1 (talk • contribs) 00:09, 26 January 2007.

No problem, and good luck. Anchoress 14:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Buenos Aires

It was lots of fun! Thank you for asking. I have a particularly vivid memory of the start of Christmas Day. We had been for dinner and were outside trying to get a taxi-an impossible task. Anyway, no sooner did midnight arrive than people began to celebrate the arrival of Christmas by throwing fire-crackers from their balconies. And what crackers they were: it was as if the city had suddenly descended into a war! Talking of war, I managed to pick up basic tango steps with the help of some very nice Argentinian gentlemen. Sigh-it all seems so long ago now. Still, ever forward. I will be spending most of February in Mexico City, another new experience. Best wishes. Clio the Muse 13:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, sounds awesome. You lucky duck, getting to travel so much. Anchoress 14:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:csd

Couple notes:

1. Categories can't be watched. There's an alternate listing for CSD that can.
2. Did you look at my logs? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 18:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok, thanks for the info. And no, I didn't. What are they? Anchoress 18:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

If the page can't be watched, how come there's a 'watch' tab at the top? Anchoress 18:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The "watch" link lets you watch changes made to the "category page", not the placement/removal of the pages from the category. Cbrown1023 talk 21:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... I know that already. ;-) What's your point? Anchoress 21:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I've already been knocking out 30-40 entries a day at Cat:csd... in fact that and PROD have been pretty much all I've done here since I got my mop and bucket. Not much more I can do... they get added faster than I can clear them out.--Isotope23 18:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the info. Anchoress 14:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

For logs: Night Gyr (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves • rights) Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's news to me. Cool! Anchoress 14:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Help over at CAT:CSD

Hi, and congrats on your promotion! Per this discussion, I'm dropping a friendly note to some of the recently-promoted admins requesting help with speedy deletions. I am not an administrator, so if you don't feel comfortable diving into deletions - or if you need more info - please don't come to me, but I'm sure that Cyde Weys would be happy to guide you if you want to help. Any help is great, but I'm sure that Cyde and others would deeply appreciate it if you could put the page on your watchlist and do a bit of work there on a regular basis? Maybe weekly? Thanks in advance! Anchoress 18:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the template message. I have read the thread already and am very busy at CSD since the promotion. I hope You detect the sarcasm in my reply. Best, feydey 18:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, no sarcasm detected. ;-) Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I also appreciated the template message. However, I've determined myself to be unqualified for the time being to do speedy deletions, and think its best if a more inclusionist-minded administrator takes a look at some of these pages before giving them the axe. Savidan 18:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

No probs, thanks for the reply. Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

If you look at my deletion log, you'll see that I've already been active in CSD work. I even wrote myself a JavaScript tool to help stick in the correct CSD reason. =) -- Gogo Dodo 19:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, sweet! I learnt something new today, how to look at user's delete logs. Cool! Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

In addition to the other users above, I am very active in CSD and AfD. I have also added direct links to the template with pre-selected warning to speed up the Speedy Deletion progress. Although I am I currently busy in real life, I am helping. Cbrown1023 talk 21:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Cb. Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. CAT:CSD is definitely going to be my first sysop priority, because there is indeed a huge problem there.--Yannismarou 08:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks like the problem is temporarily solved; good work everyone! Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm typically fairly active in WP:UCFD, and though I have been distracted lately from WP:CFD work by other Wikipedia things, I intend to be more active there as my next priority. However, I'd be glad to help in the apparent current "crisis", though I tend to stay away from Images... - jc37 10:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and for giving that task a go. Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Smiley Award

--TomasBat (Talk) 13:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! Anchoress 14:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Hello, Anchoress. I stole your template from the top of this page and put it on my talk page, but left you an exact copy. I managed to make mine look less appealing by randomly assigning a color without hitting preview. It could have been worse, I guess. Take care. ---Sluzzelin 17:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

OK. :-)) I have no idea what you're talking about, so Happy Friday! Anchoress 17:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it is a Happy Friday, so back at you! I always get these terms mixed up: I meant the box(?) with the message "To allow other users...", not the template. ---Sluzzelin 18:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Right... I think you used the right word; you mean my notice at the top of the page v/v keeping convos together? I just didn't get what you meant by taking it and leaving a copy? Sorry, I put that thing up almost a year ago I think, and I don't even remember where I got it. Is it your template, and you changed your version and subst'd the old one on my page so it wouldn't change? Colour me confused (radioactive lemon confused lol). Anchoress 18:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear, this is my fault. I didn't wish to confuse ... In fact I merely copied it from here, but wanted to see myself as the original's owner leaving you the fake, but that was pure TGIF lightheadedry. I did want to notify you. I will waste your time no longer and look forward to reading more contributions at the desks!. ---Sluzzelin 18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no probs! Anchoress 18:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Er over the top

I don't think that was a very good idea to write in a public place, FYI. This isn't a disagreement with the facts, per se, but an experienced user expecting backlash. You might want to consider not participating - I'm opting out myself. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. You're talking about the AN/I thread? No problem. Anchoress 18:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so I removed it. Why exactly do you think it wasn't a good idea? I don't care about backlash in any way, shape or form, BTW. Anchoress 18:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

(ec) I was gunna say something about it too. The problem with making guesses about the cause of someone's behavior is that it's just way too easy for things to get ugly. And, they are just guesses, be they correct or not. We can't know what's in someone's head. Best to focus purely on observable behavior and keep speculations to ourselves. I realize you're just giving your opinions and trying to help, and I hope nobody jumps down your throat about it, but I'd seriously consider ammending that remark if I were you. Friday (talk) 18:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

PS- Oh, I see I was a bit late. Oh well, for what it's worth, I think your remarks were mostly fine, except for the speculation bits. Friday (talk) 18:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

EC. Well if you read my response to Hipocrite, I already removed it so I don't need to amend it. FWIW I absolutely don't mind backlash for giving my opinion, and I did say at the bottom of my post that I realised I was stepping into uncharted waters. I gave my opinion about something, I am happy to defend it or apologise for it. And also FWIW I think there is ample evidence that Lc is OCD (his multiple minor adjustments of entries), paranoid (his reactions to criticism), narcissistic (his grandstanding, the way he talks 'to the masses' on his talkpage), and suffering from a persecution complex (see above). But... bottom line is I had already removed it when you posted, so I guess unless a bunch of other people don't notice that or comment anyways, the matter is closed. Anchoress 18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree fully with Friday and I think removing it was an A+ action. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

OK. Anchoress 18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm so youre a psychaitrist as well as an editor?-And Im a obsessive-compulsive, paranoid narcissist with a persecution complex? Is that a personal attack or just your musings? So what treatment would you recommend Doctor?-Light current 19:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

That comment was deleted by the author. I suggest you let it drop. Not every battle needs to be fought, and not every fight needs to be won - however, whoever walks away from this battle first will definetly win. Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

And I suggest you drop. preferably from a great height 8-) Oh and I never win-- havent you learnt that yet. The Admins ALWAYS win--Light current 19:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Given that the cat is out of the bag, it's probably appropriate for you to apologize to LC for the comment that started this all - honestly, I would have been a little offended if it were about me. I was hopeful he wasn't going to see it and we could bygones the whole incident, but obviously we can't. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course. I wholeheartedly and unreservedly apologise if Light current or anyone was the least bit offended by the content or phrasing of the comment I removed. Anchoress 20:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need help please

I tried to fix a stupid mistake I made when I made the two archives at top, but it doesn't seem to have worked. Anchoress 19:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the redirects Talk:Anchoress/Archive02 and Talk:Anchoress/Archive01 that were a result of the page moves. Is that all you needed? Friday (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you so much. Can anyone do that or only admins? Anchoress 19:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Links also fixed. —Centrx→talk • 19:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot both of you. I was in the middle of doing that when you did it, Centrx. Anchoress 19:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Only admins can technically delete (something which IMO needs fixed), but if you ever accidentally make a page, you can tag it with {{db-author}} and somebody will delete it. Friday (talk) 19:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, and for the quick responses. I can't believe how quick this was fixed! Anchoress 19:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops

Hi. Sorry to rope you into a chat session there, just get so little opportunity to "talk" to ya! Since you are keeping your $0.02 to yourself (smile). --Justanother 21:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey NP. Anchoress 22:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Go me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!1!!1

		The Editor's Barnstar
		I'm giving MYSELF this barnstar for reducing my watchlist from 700+ to 432. The hard way. By actually looking at each page to determine if it still needed to be there. Anchoress 03:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

What the? XD --Jw21/PenaltyKillah^talk_{GO'NUCKSGO!! 17:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)}

[edit] Removed prod on Natalie Talson‎;

Yup--newbie error on my part. Addere 02:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No probs; good luck and happy editing. Anchoress 02:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UCFD

I have nominated a category you created, Category:Wikipedians who aren't administrators, for deletion. You can contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion. Thanks, VegaDark 21:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the notification! Anchoress 22:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup templates

Just to let you know that most cleanup templates, like "unreferenced", "fact", "cleanup" etc., are best not "subst"ed. See WP:SUBST for more details. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 16:32 27 February 2007 (GMT).

I don't subst the fact templates. As to the others, thanks for the info and I'll keep it in mind. Anchoress 02:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Environment

I have created a barnstar for Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment. Please visit the talk page to vote for the barnstar since there are no votes for 2 months. OhanaUnited 20:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Will try to later. Anchoress 02:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eh, kids

... vandalising Wikipedia during study hall. I rolled that one back; drop me a note if he does it again and you want me to protect the page. And you were right about database lag! Cheers ... :) Antandrus (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

K. I wasn't sure if it was better to just correct the poopiness or revert the whole thing. Cheers back~! Anchoress 19:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for Your Understanding

When I make a mistake, and I'm called on it, I never hesitate to admit my guilt. Yes, lowering myself to the level of others was wrong, and I admit that mistake.

Yet there's a serious injustice going on here at Wikipedia. Certain users are pretty much getting away with murder when it comes to incivility, yet the admins seem to be oblivious about it all. I actually got blocked today for calling someone a coward, which, admittedly, was wrong. Yet take a look at the shockingly disgusting exchange of insults on the RefDesk talk page in the discussion entitled "Not a soapbox". Why are certain users allowed to attack others as being "intellectually impoverished wankers", among dozens of other equally disgusting insults, without even getting so much as a warning, while, at the same time, my referring to someone as a "coward" (which, though admittedly insulting, is not the least bit vulgar) gets me blocked?

I hope you can understand how frustrating it can be to be forced to play on such an uneven playing field. Yes it was a mistake to call hipocrite a coward, I just lost my cool.

I just only wish that everyone were subject to the same rules. I honestly believe that if that were the case, much of this nonsensical hostility would disappear. The admins just don't seem to realize, but in ignoring Clio's insulting remarks, and given her young age, they're creating a monster. They're basically telling her that she can insult others to her heart's content and not get the slightest warning about it, because, as we all know, she's always right, and everyone else is always wrong.

These are the worst possible of messages to be sending a obnoxious, arrogant 24 year old girl. She's obviously intelligent, and one would hope, for her sake at least, that her intelligence be tempered with discipline and humility. If only an admin would send her a warning: "Look, Clio, you've got to tone it down, your insults of others are just as innapropriate as those directed at you. If you're criticized, that doesn't invariably mean that the world is out to get you in some sort "witch-hunt". You've got to learn to show some respect for others if you expect them to show respect for you". That's all.

Like I said, she's a very intelligent girl with a great deal of potential. And I wish her the best in achieving that potential. Yet she's desperately lacking in social skills. If someone doesn't finally put their foot down, put her in her place, and tell her when she's acting inappropriately, she'll never achieve that potential, and that would be a shame.

But there's only so much I can do. After all, I've done quite well for myself and live a happy and successful life. It's her life and happiness that are at stake here. I can try here and there, but without any support, and on top of that getting blocked for a silly mistake really doesn't help.

Anyway, I've gone on too long. I'd be really interested in your feedback, though.

Write back if you can.

Lewis Loomis 06:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Loomis51:

Thanks a lot for the reply, and your gracious actions. I know what you mean about 'taking the coaching'; it's been my operating philosophy at WP (and my compliance is pretty good, lol), and I think it's kept me sane.

As to your other concern, well, I don't have much to say because I haven't been following it closely enough for analysis. But since you've asked for my opinion, I'll at least say what is on my mind. To put it bluntly, I think you should drop it v/v Clio; as a wise person once told me, "There's no cheese down that hole." I'm not commenting on who's right, who's wrong, who started it, etc, but I implore you to be the one to finish it. Just drop it, file it under Written Off Debts, and continue editing constructively.

If Clio irritates you that much (and I have had similar experiences with editors), unless you are willing to pursue it formally, just, for your own sanity, gloss over her contributions, discipline yourself to ignore her talk page entries, and ignore her. I've done that with some editors and it saved my Wikilife. There are many editors whose intellect and experience are appropriate for WP but whose personalities are not. IMO I am not an appropriate judge of that distinction, and neither are you. If an editor can't hack the community, they will crash and burn in due time without your help. Don't be that person. (The one who crashes and burns). You are well on your way, IMO, to becoming the person other editors shake their heads about (as I did with two editors recently) and say to themselves, 'That editor is either going to flounce in a huff or be permablocked.' Stay frosty.

To put it another way, I think one of the first rules of functioning happily on WP is to accept that WP is grossly unfair, manifestly so. I'm not commenting on the unfairness or perceived unfairness of your particular situation, I want to be very clear on that. I'm just saying in general. And the abiliy of an editor to accept that fact is IMO the greatest indicator of whether or not they'll be able to function on WP and contribute constructively.

I wish you well in your RL and WL, and I hope we intersect in happier circumstances. IMO that depends on you. You cannot ever control another's behaviour, only your own. Ruminating over this issue can do nothing but strangle your WP contributions and poison your RL. Don't let it do that.

And finally, I feel that some of your comments regarding Clio are inappropriate; "obnoxious, arrogant", "desperately lacking in social skills". Whether they are accurate or not, they are unwelcome on my talkpage. Would you consider striking them? To comment on the general thrust, it's not WP's place to assist in social development; if you feel something is lacking, you will have to trust in life in general to deliver that message. But my personal advice to you is just to stop speculating, ruminating, drawing conclusions, etc, and move on. Best wishes. Anchoress 16:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Anchoress, I give you full credit for inspiring me to make a rather bold step. I'm sure if you check out Clio's talk page, you'll see what I'm talking about. I really don't care how she responds. Perhaps she'll accept my apologies with grace, or perhaps she'll do a little victory dance, believing that she "won" and I "lost" some sort of fictitious battle. The point is that I apologized. Her reaction to it will be irrelevant to me. All of this is not to say that I don't believe that she acted innapropriately in offending me, I've just come to realize that the two issue must be separated from each other. I'm only in control of my own words, not hers. As for her words, if she decides to apologize I'll certainly accept it with grace. If she doesn't, well, I guess there's nothing I can do about that.

Thanks for the inspiration, Anchoress. I suppose it's only fitting that the one to finally inspire me to eat crow and offer peace whatever the result, would be a fellow Canadian. I'm not sure what part of the country you're from, but I'll end this message with the following most profound of words: GO HABS!!!! :--)

Loomis 23:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Lewis

Congrats Loomis51 on being the better man. IMO there's no downside to rising above. I wish both of you well in turning over your two, completely separate, never-to-intersect leaves. Good luck contributing, and I am very happy to have inspired you. Go Canucks! Habs are good too. And BTW I don't look at it as eating crow; we are well-known for both politeness and picking our battles. Cheers! Anchoress 03:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh well. Not the best possible of responses on her part, but certainly not the worst.

By the way, yes, you may have been my inspiration and you should of course feel great about that, but with it comes a down side. Now I'll naturally turn to you to bitch and moan every time I'm forced to bite my tongue and act polite! Just kidding, that's not your responsibility. Though I will likely have to get myself some sort of punching bag for every time I'm driven absolutely mad by yet another damned non-sequitur of a poem!

I hope you understand I'm just kidding around. I'm sure I'll eventually learn to find my happy-place all on my own. :--)

Thanks again,

Loomis 12:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] somnambulist's appreciation for the funambulist

You choose to answer some of the slipperier questions at the desks, sometimes subtly in the background, yet steadily and gracefully, just like Macke's tightrope walker here. And you even manage to pull off a Wallendas act from time to time, balancing the other funambulists, while keeping the question balanced as well. Your stunts are greatly appreciated by this member of the audience. Happy spring to you. ---Sluzzelin talk 00:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much! You made my week!!!! Anchoress 04:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help desk reply

Hi! Thanks for the reply and links on the help desk. I got your reply yesterday about 2 hours after you left it I think. I think that's good advice you gave. --Rebroad 15:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Good luck! Anchoress 22:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pinned

		Calvin's father award
		Sluzzelîn, hereby awards you the barnstar for Good Humor for all that wonderful nonsense on sense. Please expect my bill for giggoliposuction (made necessary by your answer at the Miscellaneous Desk). --- Sluzzelin

Tee hee, thanks. If your cosmetic surgeon has any difficulty performing the giggoliposuction, s/he might consider prefacing the procedure with a Bromide Liposensing X-Ray Test, which uses googolipid helper cells (Helper-Gs) to find and organise the giggolipids. Good luck! Anchoress 00:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] So there's no confusion...

Re Virginia Tech massacre...the "adviser" spelling is from a direct quote from Drudge. The American Heritage Dictionary also lists it as correct. --zenohockey 00:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Thanks for the note. Anchoress 00:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IRC

Are you active on IRC? --Durin 13:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean? Anchoress 13:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• I mean, do you have an IRC client and nickname so that I can talk with you on IRC :) --Durin 13:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, no, sorry. Why do you want to talk to me on IRC? Anchoress 13:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Because you indicated a willingness to be a guinea pig. I'd like to chat with you about it. --Durin 14:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Yeah, it doesn't sound like it's going to fly. But if you want to chat with me about it it'll have to be the old-fashioned way, on-wiki, thru email, or yahoo if you have it. I'm on IM as anchoresse. Anchoress 14:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laura Smith Haviland

Hi, I was wondering why you feel the Laura Smith Haviland article needs to be copyedited. Would you please explain so I can fix the problem? Thank you Epousesquecido 16:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I read the article, made a few changes, let me know what else you think I should change. Thanks, Epousesquecido 18:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll go have a look at it later. Anchoress 20:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Wnjr

Did you mean to tell him to "stay frosty" ? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 06:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, did I type it wrong? Anchoress 06:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No, nothing wrong with your typing. Perhaps it's a cultural thing, I read frosty as "aloof to the point of rudeness". Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok. It also means to stay cool, unflappable and on task. lol I've been using it like that for so many years, I forgot it even had another meaning. Anchoress 08:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problems with hyperlinks and msft access

I saw your post on the computing help desk and I couldn't help but wonder why no one offered to just take a look at the file and do the conversion for you. Unless the file contents are private and you do not want that out, I'm happy to lend a hand (2000 or so links doesn't sound like much). Alternatively, if you have a few "example links" I can try to put together a script, post it for you and you can run it yourself.

I'm assuming you wouldn't mind having the hyperlinks represented in access as:

   link_target               ;; link_text  ;; link_id
   http://www.yahoo.com      ;; Yahoo!     ;; 1
   http://www.ebay.com       ;; Ebay!      ;; 2

and so forth. If you haven't found an easy solution by the time you read this, let me know. I'll be happy to help. Regards. dr.ef.tymac 01:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thank you for the offer, I would definitely love to take you up on it. The contents aren't private, but the sheet is such a god-awful mess that I cringe at the thought of anyone else seeing it lol. I am kicking myself 6 ways from Sunday for not just doing it in Access to start with, but it was so ad hoc at the beginning, I didn't and couldn't really have any idea what it would look like a ways down the road. But... I was given a good suggestion on the Access Developers yahoogroup, which I'd like to try first as it would be easier than an Excel conversion, so I'll get back to you. Anchoress 02:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I tried the solution but it didn't work, so if I could send you a sample of my DB I'd be very appreciative. How can I get it to you? Anchoress 02:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Whatever's easiest. You can post it on any of my empty scratchpad pages, email, put it on your own scratchpad, whatever. 2000 links should not be too big for WP to handle if you want to just paste it into a page. BTW am I correct in assuming the format indicated above is acceptable? dr.ef.tymac 02:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

OK... You gotta know that I have never ever uploaded a file to WP, so 'scratch pad' is a complete whoosh for me, lol. But i'll see if I can figure it out. I'm just uploading a sample with 100 records, that's easier I think. And as for the format, yeah... thanks a lot. Anchoress 03:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Ohh ... oops ... *hehe* yeah you can click on the scratchpad link above and then just do "edit this page" ... then just cut and paste directly from the text file into the edit window as usual, or you can click the email link. dr.ef.tymac 03:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Right... I was wondering if that was what it was. See, I'm afraid that you've missed part of the discussion about this file; it's not a text file, and it can't be. If it were just a matter of separating the <a ref> URL from the anchor text, I could have easily done that myself; normalising data is kind of my area. But the URLs are embedded objects, and if I saved the sheet as .txt or if I try to upload it like you suggested, it uploads the anchor text alone (or, in the case of a few of the entries, the URL itself which I'd already copied and pasted in the course of my use of the sheet). So... I'd love to email it to you (I dropped you a line and am waiting for a reply), but I wonder if you can actually help me? It's perhaps more complicated than you realised. Anchoress 03:23, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I will reply, yeah I re-read the post and I was about to address that issue but (edit conflict) got me. Just a sec. dr.ef.tymac 03:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Follow-up: so despite my off-target "scratchpad" tangent, it sounds like we were both on the same page as what you were aiming for and an acceptable solution. Just in case, I'll put up another alternative on the RefDesk page and consider this issue resolved unless you indicate otherwise. Cheers. dr.ef.tymac 15:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The XML solution

Thanks dr.ef.tymac, your many suggestions and the work you've put into helping me has been very helpful. Unfortunately I just checked and my version of Excel doesn't support the XML format, as you feared. I'll check some of the other solutions, I'm just feeling a bit discouraged for now and I think I'll take a break from this whole thing. ;-) Anchoress 04:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Excel - Access problem

Request for clarification:
If you want me to come up with the VB code, please clearly explain what you want. Is this correct:
The cells in Excel contain hyperlinks and the raw code for each one reads

<a href="http://www.example1.com">Example1</a> 

and you want to extract it to say

www.example1.com 

Is that correct?
Rfwoolf 08:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm not asking you or anyone else to do ANYTHING, so you can rest easy on that point. But no, you are misunderstanding, and I believe I have been very clear with what I need. The contents of the URL cells in excel are not the <a href> strings; if they were, I could have easily fixed it myself as I am familiar with using a variety of advanced solutions for data normalisation. The links show as plain anchor text in the cell contents, so there is no way to parse the anchor text from the URL and .html using simple solutions. Is that more clear? The question was asked on the computer desk in my thread, and my answer seemed sufficient for the other questioners. Anchoress 09:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Username

No, I will not reconsider it, if I may be blunt. I don't know where you got the arbitrary 50-character standard from, but I do know that it is too long for practical purposes. —²¹⁰physicq (c) 03:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

However, if you really do seek to overturn it, you may post it on WP:RFCN. I will respect any decision that arrives there. —²¹⁰physicq (c) 03:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Well you're drawing a conclusion about my assessment to call it a 'standard' - I didn't call it that - but what I'm saying is that under 50 characters doesn't seem lengthy. Thank you for your reply. Anchoress 03:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

After checking the RFCN page, it doesn't look like that is the place to bring up my concerns about User:Joseph The Greatest!(I share my name with no man), since s/he has already been blocked. Do you have a suggestion as to where I should bring it up instead? Thanks in advance. Anchoress 03:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Please pardon my jumping in, but I suggest that you ask Joseph... whether he wants the username block reviewed or just to start a new account. If he wants an unblock, I am sure that WP:RFCN will consider the matter. (The purpose of the "not blocked already" restriction is to avoid pointless debates about either blatantly inappropriate usernames where the outcome would be a foregone conclusion, or situations where the user has already changed to another account so again the discussion wouldn't have value. Where the blocked user is expressly requesting a review, and another contributor is defending the name, those rationales wouldn't apply.) Regards, Newyorkbrad 03:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the reply. I left a comment on the editor's userpage; I'll keep an eye out to see if s/he responds in any way, but (other than the comment I left on the AIV talkpage), I'll leave it in the hands of the other editor for now. This issue is of particular concern to me, however, whether or not this particular editor ever gets unblocked. I wonder if perhaps the username policy should be amended to grant a maximum total number of allowed characters, combining the username with the signature. Anchoress 04:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

• I was not trying to be "disruptive" here, I was simply trying to show the user in question how it can be fun to either create new articles, and/or edit in a constructive manner by adding and searching for new material from reputable secondary sources. Diff, I tried to explain this, Diff, but was rebuffed. No worries, but in any event certainly not "disruptive", as the user had stated diff. Oh well, guess I'll go back to what I enjoy most: finding more material from reputable secondary sources to add as citations in existing articles - and/or better yet, to add to a potential new article later... Smee 13:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

OK. Anchoress 13:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Kewl. Smee 13:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Kd lvr on WP:ANI

You can probably cancel that WP:ANI request. That request got both User:TREYWiki and I blocked for 48 hours. Because of that, TREY left Wikipedia altogether and I am not helping anyone, reverting anything, or really doing anything but editing. TREY and I tried to help, did what we thought was right, moved a request ro WP:ANI and were blocked for it. Oh well. Just don't want you to get in trouble too. Take care....SVRTVDude ^(VT) 03:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Uh.... what request? Did I make a request there? Sorry, I only remember trying to fix the wiki markup, I don't remember doing anything else. Anyways, good luck editing. Anchoress 07:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean that you had, I was just saying if you wanted to cancel the request that TREY and I had made. I am staying as far away from any board as possible. - SVRTVDude ^(VT) 07:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Well I'm not an admin, and I don't know why I'd do that for you, but anyways after reading your post I went and checked, and it seems to have been removed already. Listen, I don't want to seem like I'm being rude or anything, but I'm really not sure why you've messaged me? Were you asking me to remove the entry for you? Because I'm not sure why I would do that? Anyways, it's a done deal now, the entry seems to have been archived. Best wishes again, and over and out. Anchoress 08:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

You had posted on my KDKA page (I made it for the KDKA problems) and I was just following up with you. I got 48hour blocked, so it was a little slow of a response. My apologizes for upsetting you. - SVRTVDude ^(VT) 08:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Right... OK. Well, you didn't upset me, and glad we kinda got it figured out. I'm still not sure why you said what you said in your original message, but I guess that's fine. ;-)) Anchoress 08:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calling Wikipedia Google Queen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Family_Trusts --Goingempty 16:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Tee hee. OK I'll take a look. My first real assignment! Anchoress 17:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; could you use your queen magic again for these questions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Hostile_Takeover.3F

&

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#NYSE_stocks_-_alternative_trading_methods.3F --Goingempty 20:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ta

Just wanted to say thanks for the stuff about the Adambrowne666 Inaction Figure - v funny and cute - made my day. Adambrowne666 07:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Har har. NP, I thought the whole thing was a scream. Congrats again, BTW. Link for anyone who wants to find out how fune I am. Anchoress 07:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There is a third option

Never discount the possibility that the developers and the users are "dum". Friday (talk) 14:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Tee hee. I think that's very plausible. But the people who talk about them on Anchoress's talk page, now THEY are NEVER dum. :D Anchoress 14:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overhauling suggestions

A few things I would do in over hauling your user page.
1. I would put your userboxes in a more orderly fashion.
2. Any thing vandalized on your page, I would either put it in a separate category on your user page or delete it all together.
3. Any tips or suggestions for other users I would keep that is non-vandalism related.
I hope this help and I look forward to your replay on my page if you like. Chris 23:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chris: Thanks a lot for the reply, I would be very grateful for any and all decorating help. I have to confess, though, that I wouldn't be able to do anything for you because I completely lack the markup skills and flair to do any userpage decorating. Did I use the wrong box on my page? I thought I'd placed the one that indicated an editor who was looking for decorating help but was unable to reciprocate. Anchoress 23:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help meeeeeeeeeeeeee___eeeeeeeeeeeeee___eeeeeeeeeeeee

I don't know how to make the two columns on my userpage an even width. Thanks in advance!! Anchoress 03:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Howdy!.. Actually they are even 50%. What are you seeing? Lsi john 03:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Let me know what you're trying to do and I'll see about fixing it for you. Lsi john 03:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Magnus already fixed it, but didn't remove your help tag.. I guess I should have looked at edit history, just didn't anticipate someone would have helped that quickly. Here's a little something for you anyway. Peace. Lsi john 03:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Cute, thanks. Anchoress 05:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

I'd suggest asking over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Awards. I'm none too good with graphics myself, so I'm afraid I can't help you with that. >Radiant< 07:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, I'll check that out. Anchoress 23:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanx

Thank you for your help in my question 'The Effects of Music on Plants' I really appreciated it. --Ninjawolf 23:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, good luck. Anchoress 23:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

As sad, tragic, (and all other appropriate words) as it is, is the De Anza article/case really notable, beyond the local town? I thought that WP:NOT says we are not a news agency. Lsi john 21:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Good question, I don't know the answer. To me notability is a morass of grey areas and unpleasantness; first off, I am almost never interested in whether an article is notable, and secondly, I am concerned by the frequent use of non-notability as a criteria for deletion, despite the fact that it isn't a valid criteria on its own. ;-) Anchoress 22:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

To expand on that: IMO if we (Wikipedia) are serious about being a storehouse of all human knowledge, then notability should be the very last thing we are concerned about when considering an article. Sadly, IMO, we seem to be retreating from the 'comprehensive compendium' value in recent weeks. OTOH, I completely understand that 'NN' is at least the easiest, if not the only, brickbat available in the struggle against the abuse of WP's SEO potential by commercial interests. Furthermore, 'NN' is an easy tool for use by the 'WP:IDONTLIKEIT' crowd, particularly for use against fan- and list-cruft. Anchoress 22:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Continuing on that line of thought (in a purely conversational way)... Is it our goal to be a storehouse of all human knowledge? Or, is it our goal to be an encyclopedia?

Encyclopedias are, specifically, 'not' a storehouse of all human knowledge, but, rather, are some minimal collection of information about items of significant interest to humanity. An encyclopedia article provides a window for the layman to look through and affords him an means to gain some basic understanding of the item in the article.

In contrast, if we are a storehouse of all human knowledge... well, to me, knowledge is fact, and fact is truth (or minimally, facts are accurate and truthful). And, there are numerous texts available on the full knowledge about the known facts of DNA strands, which cannot possibly be represented in a single article on DNA here at Wikipedia.

While I used the term 'notable' (above), I also connected it with 'not a news agency', which I believe is part of WP:NOT. I agree that notability may be overused, and that doesn't address the question of whether that particular article is notable or significant. I had intended it as a simple question. I have nothing in particular against the article, and it was clearly an unfortunate situation. Yet, it was simply an event, like 1000's of other events which occur daily, tragic though it was.

Anyway, I'm new(ish), and wanted to know your opinion. Lsi john 22:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Meh. I'm really not interested in getting into a whole thing about this. Like I said, the topic doesn't interest me. As to your first point, are 'we' trying to be a storehouse of all human knowledge? According to THIS PRESS RELEASE, featuring a quote by Jimbo Wales, yes we are. Anyways, I really don't have an opinion regarding the article in question, and I'm really not interested in a discussion about the threshold of inclusion for information about DNA strands, so... ;-) Anchoress 22:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't thought that I intended to get into it either. However, based on results, we both intended it. I actually thought I was asking a simple question. Sorry. Peace in God. Lsi john 22:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for the link. I hadn't seen that.. and it contradicts what I had just read this morning by the same individual. Peace. Lsi john 22:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

NP. Over and out. Anchoress 22:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Conversation continued off-wiki. Anchoress 15:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Copied from Lsi John's talkpage:

Anchoress, thank you for your response. As you specifically asked for a response from me on-wiki, here it is.

My feedback to you is this: To me, this is a subject that you have quite a bit of energy on. To wit, I asked a relatively simple question (or so I thought), and you expounded with an opinion on deletionism .vs. a statement made by Jimbo, and the current trend of wikipedia. I was a bit overwhelmed, as I had not anticipated such an opined (and positional) response. Then, when I attempted to follow your lead, and continued the discussion on the path you had chosen, you MEH'd me and said you were not interested in discussing the subject, citing my DNS stranding example as being uninteresting. Thus, closing the conversation as abruptly as it had begun.

If article deletion isn't a topic you are interested in discussing, then (rhetorically) why did you open that door with such elaboration? And, as it was a conversation between you and me, if your response wasn't directed at me, then (rhetorically) to whom was it directed? We were the only two in the conversation.

Anchoress, I saw you make an edit in the article, I assumed you were somewhat familiar with the article, I recalled your previous offer to help with wiki questions, and I asked for your opinion. Though I was aware of your position on deleting articles, it did not occur to me when I asked your opinion. In hindsight, it was not one of my better choices, and I apologize.

You asked me where I perceived judgment in your response. To me, there is both judgment and conclusion in your comment about the current trend of wikipedia. And, based on results, I would submit that article deletion is a subject about which you are very interested.

Respectfully, I would prefer not to address this further on-wiki. Without sufficient background (our conversations) to understand it, I feel the conversation could easily appear confrontational to the casual reader, and I have neither the desire to be, nor to appear to be, confrontational with you.

Best regards,

Peace in God. Lsi john 13:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, no probs, thanks for your reply! I feel that you've misunderstood in several ways, but as I'd said, I don't want to discuss WP stuff off-wiki, and if you don't want to discuss it further here, I'm perfectly happy having this be the end! Cheers, over and out (again lol). Anchoress 15:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] copyediting help

Anchoress, Could you assist me with copyediting this article 2007 De Anza baseball players rape case‎. Thank you.PEACETalkAbout 22:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. I don't feel like it right now, but if I feel like it before someone else does it, I will. Anchoress 22:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for giving it consideration.PEACETalkAbout 22:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reward?

Hi! I came across an offer from you on the Reward Board that you're looking for a Vulcan themed barnstar. Before replying, know that a) I've currently got no decent editor for SVG images, b) I use typically low-tech methods for design, and c) I am fascinated ( ;) ) with the challenge, think the reward is ample, and think it would be something I'd try my hand at. So, I'd like to know: a) That the reward offer is genuine, b) Would you: prefer a green standard barnstar with Vulcan ears at 11:00 and 1:00 'points' added or replacing the 10:00 and 2:00 points with ears, and c) Would you like the addition of a circular "THE NEEDS OF THE MANY..." around the perimeter of the Star. Or do you have some other concept in mind? (Also, I wouldn't want you working on the reward, or taking down the notice, until I deliver the image to your satisfaction.) I now have your talk on my watchlist for a reply. Thanks. LaughingVulcan 03:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to take so long to reply - I forgot you'd posted. First, yes, the reward offer is VERY genuine, I'm looking forward to it actually. ;-) I am not sure about the points replacement, I would have to see it. I love the 'the needs of the many' quote, and what you said about the graphics etc I don't understand either, sorry... (If I knew anything about editing graphics I guess I wouldnn't have been looking for help lol). So I guess... Only you know if you have the skills and tools to do a good job of it - I am not picky but I'd want it to look good enough that people would actually want to award it - but if you want to give it a try, I'm all thumbs up!! Anchoress 00:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice

Nice. Friday (talk) 00:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. But thinking about it, I may have been too hasty. Attempting to satisfy an inflatable replica could make a lot of things sore... particularly for someone who doesn't know when to quit. Anchoress 00:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gigantoraptor

Moved DYK notice because I wasn't the originator, just the nominator. Anchoress 06:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! G4rfunkel (talk) 22:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New task force

You are being recruited by the Environmental Record Task Force, a collaborative project committed to accurately and consistently representing the environmental impact of policymakers, corporations, and institutions throughout the encyclopedia. Join us!

Hi Anchoress,
looking at your edits I'm not sure this is in your line, but thought I'd invite you to come have a look--could sure use someone w/ your wp experience!
Best, Cyrusc 23:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Not super into task forces at present, but I'll keep my eye out for it. Good luck!!! Anchoress 13:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured article nomination for ocean sunfish article

After lots of work on the article, I've nominated ocean sunfish for Featured Article status. I noticed your post at Talk:Ocean sunfish, and thought you might be interested in taking part in the nomination discussion. I hope to see you there! PaladinWhite 01:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow, fantastic, I'll definitely look it over. It was such a piece of crap before, I look forward to seeing the improvements with my own eyes. Anchoress 13:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for checking it out! PaladinWhite 13:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a look again at the ocean sunfish page, and add your support to Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Ocean_sunfish if you believe most concerned are now addressed? I have edited the article extensively to address questions raised in the nomination page. Thanks! Fred Hsu 18:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

VanTucky 16:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Far far beneath in the abysmal sea

I looked and didn't find the incorrect reference in the Giant squid article. I guess someone removed it already. Nice catch, and of course that gem of an answer is untoppable - I love that scene! Any further reply would have ruined the the thread. Completely irrelevant, but the kind of thing I notice: Cosmic synchronicity expressed itself on Wikipedia on July 11, 2007. ---Sluzzelin talk 11:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2

Thank you for taking the time to participate at the discussion in my Request for Adminship. Unfortunately the nomination did not succeed, but please rest assured that I am still in full support of the Wikipedia project. I listened carefully to all concerns, and will do my best to incorporate all of the constructive advice that I received, into my future actions on Wikipedia. If you can think of any other ways that I can further improve, please let me know. Best wishes, Elonka 05:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Good luck, and will do. Anchoress 22:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR noticeboard

I reverted your entry as it was malformed. Please try it again, using the provided template at the bottom of the page. You need to cite diffs for each user you believe violated 3RR.

If you believe that 3RR was violated by a user abusing multiple accounts or IP's to bypass 3RR, you need to post at WP:RFCU for a checkuser case (there is a special code letter for 3RR vios), including diffs there. If the result comes back positive, they block will be done there, with no need to post on the 3RR.⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 02:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, sorry for doing it wrong. I looked for a template, but I didn't see one. Don't know how I missed it, lol. Thanks very much for the notice! Anchoress 03:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lighten up

Lighten up. Give Cliff some credit; he has a sense of humour. If you can't have a totally inoffensive chuckle at the complexity of template syntax, you may need a wikibreak. Adrian M. H. 07:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow. I was just trying to be respectful towards the original questioner, and I did say in my post to you that I was sorry in advance if I mischaracterised your response. I am really surprised at your take on this, I would never have expected such a harsh response to my good faith and polite comment to you. Anchoress 07:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not intended to be harsh, though I did feel that your post was totally unnecessary and came across as a bit patronising. Adrian M. H. 07:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. Anchoress 07:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deletion of your recent posting

I thought you might find it interesting that User:Pez1103 deleted the advice you posted to her talk page (see this diff:[1]). Dyanega 07:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that, so I posted it under her request for input on WP:EA. Thanks for the heads up, though. While I think it's interesting (and telling), I won't be taking any further action because I really support editor talkpage autonomy. Cheers, and happy Friday! Anchoress 08:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] your comments

I apologize if I offended you by deleting your comments. I did not want people to take your comment about my "neglecting my child" out of context. I noticed that other editors were already commenting on it. The last thing that I want is for CPS to show up at my door. All I meant when I said that was I was spending time on the computer when could have been paying attention to her - not that I was neglecting to feed her or anything. There appears to be quite the campaign against me and I don't want to add fuel to it -- don't you find it odd that Dyanega would "tattle" on me above? I'm just trying to create a less biased article. That's it. 11:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Pez1103. You don't need to apologise for removing my comment, because as I stated above I believe strongly in user talkpage autonomy. I only mentioned it because of your subsequent actions and how they could seem in toto. I don't look upon Dyanega's notification to me as 'tattling', it would have been extremely helpful and courteous if I hadn't in fact already noticed it. Consider me a supporter and well-wisher in your goal to collaborate on an unbiased article, and a supporter of your continued development as a WP editor and of your constructive edits. I have noticed that some editors have been short with you; you have to stay frosty, be cool like Fonzie, don't take actions that will make editors overlook others' callousness towards you because you seem to be such a contentious and contrary editor. Civility, restraint and humility are three things you need to demonstrate in your on-Wiki actions. Never mind what other people are doing. You need to work on your credibility here, it's (pardon me for saying so) in the toilet right now. Anchoress 11:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your feedback. Please read my user page -- the mix up with dyanga's comment was completely inadvertant, if this is what you are referring to by my subsequent actions.Pez1103 12:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, cool, glad it was a misunderstanding. Good luck and happy editing! Anchoress 12:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] a note at WP:EAR

Hello Anchoress - I'm an editor who often helps out at WP:WQA. I responded to an alert regarding the Morgellons situation and had some communications with Durova and Thatcher and EdJohnston about it, as well as trying to help Pez1103 find an adopter. As a result of all that I saw the incident with the deleting of your comment from her talk page and the various discussion that followed.

I thought that was over, but then today I saw this comment at WP:EAR. I'm not involved with the Morgellons debate any more, but I saw Pez1103 feels really bad about that comment, so thought I should contact you about this. I've not mentioned it to her.

Now that you have had a personal resolution with her about the deleting of your comment from her talk page, would you be willing to delete that same comment from WP:EAR? To be clear, I have no direct knowledge of Pez1103 as a person. So, no pressure, it's totally up to you, but that's my request, based on just basic compassion I guess. (By the way, an aside, I concur with your reply to her in the section just above here). Best Wishes --Parsifal _Hello 10:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I won't be removing it, but if you or she or someone else wants to, I won't object. Anchoress 10:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Well thanks, but it's not my place to remove your words. And she won't, I don't think she even knows it's there. Thanks for the reply. --Parsifal _Hello 10:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, no probs. :-)) And BTW there wasn't ever really a 'personal resolution' with her over the removal of my comment, because as I said, I never had an issue with it. I was just using that as one example in my comment advising her to be more cautious about what seemed (to me, at the time) to be selective deletions on her talkpage. Anchoress 10:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFC

This is better. >Radiant< 08:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the fix. I think the instructions on the main article RfC page aren't quite explicit enough. But after the growing pains are worked out, this method will undoubtedly be much better. Anchoress 20:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to improve the instructions if you think they're unclear. >Radiant< 10:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to take so long to reply. I don't think I'll be doing that, because I have no understanding of RfC (it's one of the areas of WP that I'm completely ignorant of), but I do know that I can go ahead and improve things when I feel I have both the capability and inclination. Anchoress 22:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikibreak date

Thanks for the head's up, I meant August 13th. Did you have another question/comment for me or were you just browsing? Thanks again, VanTucky ^(talk) 18:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Just browsing. I'm a chronic buttinski. Cheers, and welcome back! Anchoress 20:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] serial killer tag

Yes, I had not read the full discussion. I agree with your points about not being convicted yet. I only added the tag because he "admitted he was a serial killer", of course until proven in a court of law this is just the state's (or is it crown in Canadian law) word against his. Anyway I agree with your removal of the tag. If there is anything I can do to help out on this article please feel free to drop me a line on my userpage. Thanks, Jmm6f488 04:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Re; Pickton's confession, REALLY??? Don't forget there's a publication ban in Canada. I was aware of an ambiguous statement he'd made to an undercover officer while in custody (about wanting to 'do an even 50'), and a couple of vague apologetic statements he'd made to police interrogators (how he was 'bad' and 'had done it' and 'deserved to die'), but I did not know he'd confessed. Not that it changes the official WP position, but ... WOW! Do you have a link to the information? Anchoress 22:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:3

Thanks for linking to this - I had no idea it existed. Very handy! — Matt Eason ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 11:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome! Anchoress 11:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vulcan Barnstar

At that rewards/bounty thing you requested a Vulcan barnstar, I thought I would chuck in this attempt. Hope you find it useful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by SGGH (talk • contribs) 22:39, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that is really, really cool!!!!! I love it! Listen, someone else already said s/he was going to make a Vulcan Barnstar, so I want to check and see if it's still on the burner before officially going with this one, but either way I'll write you a sonnet! Could you tell me what you want the topic to be? Anchoress 19:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abeer Quasim Hamza

Please note that the article for Abeer Qasim Hamza, which you commented on, has again been nominated for merging with the Mahmudiyah incident. nut-meg 03:17, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Clay Tyson

A tag has been placed on Clay Tyson, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per CSD a7.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 02:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the notice! Anchoress 19:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clay Tyson AfD

I nominated Clay Tyson for deletion, but I forgot to notify you of it. I apologize; it simply slipped my mind. (By the way, it was also I who removed the speedy tag from the article.) I'd like to see the article get a fair hearing, and I further apologize if my "lazy" comment offended you. Deor 17:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks very much for the note, and best wishes. Anchoress 21:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for help re format

I saw your name on the Adopt a user page and thought I would ask. I am having trouble with the Talk:Lord Nicholas Hervey page. There are issues of substance that I am trying to resolve with another (anonymous) editor, and I will continue with that attempt and request help if I need it. What I want to fix now, before too many edits intervene in the "I said/you said" dispute, is simply the format. Ages ago there was a RfD, and a name change debate, and for reasons I can't understand, the whole of the talk page has a dotted blue background as if it is contained in the box that tries to delimit the debate. The text ("The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.") appears correctly, but the visual boundaries are not correct. I have looked at the code, and can't see how to fix this. I did create a pollbottom template, because it appeared to be missing. I don't think this added to the problem, but I might be wrong.

Can you help me, by completing the separation, so that the previous debates are not mixed up with the current ones? Or, if not, could you point me towards someone who can help. Thank you. BrainyBabe 09:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I checked it and I see the problem. I tried fiddling with it a bit, but I'm not sure why it's not working. Formatting isn't my strong suit (I thought I said that at my entry on EA but maybe not), so I'd suggest either WP:HELP, Template_talk:Polltop, adding {{helpme}} to the talkpage of the article (or your own talkpage), or the talkpage of the creator of the polltop/bottom template (User_talk:Locke_Cole). Good luck!! Anchoress 23:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: I just left a message on Locke Cole's talkpage. Anchoress 23:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. For what it's worth, the problem was some table code in the middle I think, which messed up the DIV tag and kept it from being closed. The poll templates were fine, otherwise. =) —Locke Cole • t • c 01:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you're my hero! Thanks so much. Now I can go back to my Wikibreak! Anchoress 02:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks!BrainyBabe 05:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Good catch. I was mixing up two different movies Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zeitgeist the Movie which is a real but non-notable film and the you just saved. It's been an ongoing problem with Zeitgeist the Movie and I reacted too quick. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem and thanks for the note. ::crawls back under rock:: Anchoress 04:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Glad you were checking and just didn't ignore it. If you need some reading material here's the background, Revision history of "Zeitgeist (disambiguation)", Talk:Zeitgeist (disambiguation)/Archive 1 (compare that with the valid discussion at Talk:Zeitgeist (disambiguation)), Revision history of "Zeitgeist" and Talk:Zeitgeist/Archive 1. The ongoing efforts to get anything in about "Zeitgeist the Movie" have been very persistant and time consuming. About the only thing they haven't done is go to deletion review. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

No probs about checking - I can be counted upon to be a buttinski. I will enjoy reading the whole saga, I'm sure. But it does raise the issue (totally not chastising here) of how important it is to double-check before jumping in with the delete-bats, because a less-experienced editor might have just slunk away. It is extremely confusing, though. IMDb doesn't have a page for 'Zeitgeist the Movie', and so most of the comments, reviews, postings and plot summaries on the 'American Zeitgeist' movie are actually for ZtM. Slightly odd that two films with almost identical topics and titles came out within a year of each other. Maybe it's a conspiracy??!!??!!1! My wikibreak has refreshed me so much, I'm putting all the extra energy into creative wikilinking. Anchoress 04:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I apologize too and totally agree on the issue. To be honest I had later checked and the forums were confusing; I couldn't really tell if it had been the actually movie or not. And by that point, Cambridge deleted after finding that other AfD, so I thought no harm had been done. Once again my apologies. Happy editing. :) -WarthogDemon 04:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Totally no problem, and thank you for being so gracious. I agree that it is exceedingly confusing; the only panacea I suggest that you could have employed was to have checked with me. But totally no harm, no foul, and it truly is an unusual case, with two such eerily similar movies. Anchoress 04:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gigantoraptor DYK nom credit

Did you know? was updated. On 17 June 2007, a fact from the article Gigantoraptor, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

See [2] and [3] Thanks! -- Jreferee t/c 14:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adult-child sex

There's an article now, if you're interested. A.Z. 06:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zeitgeist, the Movie

Did you know that the article exists? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I didn't. Off to check it out now. Anchoress 02:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: out of process merge

I see that you have reverted my out of process redirect from the Brazilian waxing page. As I see things, that merge was quite sensible, and I am not aware of compromising an explicit process. I may be wrong. Could you, please, explain how it was out of process? I still am hoping for a successful merge, with Bikini waxing article that features all three types - Brazilian waxing, French waxing and American waxing. Please, respond to my talk page. Thanks. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 22:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Well the merge clearly didn't have consensus, since I reverted it. You should seek agreement on the talkpage before merging. Anchoress (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that I didn't notice the reply reply. After making an explicit request to respond to my talk page I was not watching you page. I hope you understand. Well, I guess in your reply we could try replacing "should" with a "could", as waiting for a consensus is not applied to most merges as the custom goes. If there is reason, it is alright to use one's brain and be bold. Every process has a reason behind, the process itself can't be the end-all reason. While you undid the merge, you could/should have shown some other reason apart from "out of process" thing. The page that describes the process (WP:MERGE) says explicitly - it makes little sense to object to a merge purely on procedural grounds, e.g. "you cannot do that without discussion" is not a good argument. But, well, I guess, on the second time I did follow the process and there's nothing left to complain about. Cheers. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 03:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

It is nice to see someone cares. Igor Berger (talk) 23:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No probs! Anchoress (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leon's COI

See the talk page for Leon's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemike (talk • contribs) 00:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

See the talkpage for my response. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 08:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stop deleting thread.

Hello please stop deleting the thread on Talk:Samantha Power. Thanks.-Aboveloan0239 (talk) 22:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It's off topic, and you're making it worse by adding more OT discussion. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 22:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I was looking at the time under "History". My mistake. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 01:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] VPP

Just because you disagree with it, doesn't make it "trolling".

If you have legitimate criticism to offer, by all means post it--but don't just dismiss it as a complete troll and advocate elimination of the discussion. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 04:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, my criticism is with your complete post. The concept isn't necessarily trolling, but IMO, the way you've framed it, is. Editors can say just about anything on WP in a constructive way, but even the most constructive concept can be presented in such a way as to be trolling. I stand by my statement - I think your post is trolling and can't be framed as good faith, the way it's worded. Write constructively and I'll respond constructively. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 05:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] McCartney

A state school is a school run by the state (or at least a local authority) from general taxation where any pupil is accepted and where no fees are paid. The vast majority of schools are of this character. A public school is a school run privately usually with a selective entrance exam and very high (10-25000 USD per annum per pupil) fees. See the relevant wikipedia articles for more details. Badgerpatrol (talk) 17:51, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. But why would there be info on schools that charge US$ for kids going to school in the UK? Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 18:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I'm afraid in the best American fashion I'm not sure if you're being ironic or not! ;-) Of course I was converting the amount from sterling, although I dare say you can pay in rupees if you so desire, so long as it's the full amount, promptly discharged.... Badgerpatrol (talk) 18:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

So Americans don't recognise irony? Wow, I've learnt two new things today. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 18:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yanking a Yank's anchoress-chain

Sadly, my British friends assure me, we folks on this side of The Water are prone not to recognize irony-mongery when it is committed in our presence. Our national tradition of simple, blundering bluntness militates against the subtleties; and of course, online discourse, with the lack of visual and auditory clues, makes it all the worse. (Would you believe me, o ancrene wisse, if I were to say that I didn't know that there was a feminine form of the noun "anchor"?) --Orange Mike | Talk 18:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC) (actually Southron, not a Yank, by birthright)

Well I'm on the same side of the pond as you and BadgerPatrol, just a little north of you. And it's not actually the feminine of anchor, it's the feminine form of Anchorite. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 19:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you are, actually, unless you mean the pond on the village green next to the cricket pitch. Badgerpatrol (talk) 19:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

But you said right above that you are American. Now I'm confused. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 20:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Now I don't know who's yanking who's chain. I thought the link to the Ancrene Wisse was a pretty broad hint that I knew what your name meant, anchor puns or no. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC) B.A. Hist. magna cum laude '04, UWM

I didn't read the link. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 20:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This simple Canadian girl is very confused...

And I feel like you're both fucking with me. I just take everything I read and write on Wikipedia completely literally. If you guys are going to be sarcastic or ironic or faux naif it's going to fly waaaaaaay over my head. OK? BadgerPatrol, I thought you said you were American, because you said "In the best American fashion I don't know if you're being ironic or not". To me that means that, as an American, you don't understand irony. Plus, you quoted school fees in US dollars. So, what am I supposed to think? Orange Mike, you said you didn't know that Anchoress was the feminine of Anchor. I thought you were being literal. So I guess I'm just a fucking chump. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 20:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Oops, perhaps I have inadvertently opened a can of worms, if so I apologise. I meant "after the fashion of an American..." who are, stereotypically, jocularly, and no doubt unfairly, sometimes thought of as having little appreciation of irony or deprecated meaning. I quoted the fees in USD because I thought you may have less appreciation of figures quoted in UK pounds (in fact I slightly underestimated the amounts anyway) and because I'm not too sure how much a Canadian dollar is worth either these days. I can certainly see why you may have been quite legitimately confused however. As for the other point...I'm not sure if "anchor" can have a feminine form (in English). Slightly confused by that one...Badgerpatrol (talk) 22:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References for Jonathan Roy

Career info: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=92193 and http://www.lhjmq.qc.ca/lang_en/index.php?page=2147483647&id_register=2948

Footage of attack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVIG7RMif6s (and pretty much all the related videos)

Footage of Patrick Roy telling him to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2xX-9A8sn4&feature=related

Michelle Courchesne: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080325/CPSOLEIL/80324108/6787/CPSOLEIL (I translated the French for my entry)

Public Apology: http://tsn.ca/chl/news_story/?ID=232761&hubname=chl

Criminal Probe: http://www.thestar.com/Sports/Hockey/article/350582

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Svatos40 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks back, Svatos40. I've added the refs to the talkpage, and either I or someone else will put them in the article. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 21:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA Thanks

You're welcome. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 00:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Vancouver

You are receiveing this message because your name appears on the WikiProject Vancouver registration list but not on the Members list. The WikiProject Vancouver is currently having a roll-call; if you are still interested in participating, please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Vancouver/Members and place your name in alphabetically. Also the WikiProject is currently discussing some proposed changes on the talk page. Thank you for your time. Mkdw^talk 08:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver 2008 Meetup

May 5, Benny's Bagels, see here. You show as a CWNB Vancouverite, hope to see you there! Franamax (talk) 05:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Not interested in meetups any more, but thanks for the invite. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 00:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

Since you were heavily involved in the discussion at Wikipedia:Responding to suicidal individuals some time ago I thought you might be interested in discussing the merits of a similar but slightly different proposal here. I would be very interested in your opinion. Cheers, --S.dedalus (talk) 00:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been away for a while. Will check. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 00:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References question

Hi, I saw you listed on the editor assistance page for questions about formatting references. I'm currently working on making some updates to the lipoma article and am having a small dispute with another editor about how best to reference one of the articles. He's been getting somewhat upset with me for not understanding the use of a "Sources" heading in wiki articles, but I can't seem to find much information on Sources vs. References vs. Notes that explains his argument. If you have a chance and could look at the article, or if you could point me to more information on the section headings, it would be most appreciated. Thanks! Schu1321 (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't have a problem with the heading. I had a problem with you moving its contents (the AFP article).

• You first moved the AFP article to the "External Links" section because you claimed that none of the content of the AFP article was used in the wiki article. I countered your claim by quoting nine facts from the first couple of paragraph alone (and there were many more) but for some reason you could not even find one.
• Yet another reason you gave for removing the AFP article as a source was that you claimed that it contained information that contradicted the wiki article. Even if that was true, it would not invalidate it as a source. In any case, your assertion wasn't even true as a result of another two cases of miscomprehension on your part: Firstly, you claimed "the wiki article says soft and small, while the AFP article says small or large)", but that's simply not true... the wiki article actually said "soft and has a small connective tissue component", not "soft and small". Secondly, you claimed that the wiki article included a fact that was not included in the AFP article... well, that is not a contradiction - that is merely a separate (unsourced) claim - every source used does not have to back up every claim in the article!! Think about it: as soon as someone added a new unsourced claim into any article, your approach would therefore mean that every source should then be moved to the "External links" section. Even worse, by your reasoning, two sources could not be included even if all facts in the wiki article was covered unless both sources each covered all the facts!!
• Then you decided to turn the AFP artcile (the major source for that wiki article) into a mere inline citation by arbitrarily selecting for special treatment only one out of dozens of the pieces of information used from the APF article.

If you don't like the heading "Sources" then change it to "References" or whatever is more appropriate like I suggested, or you could have simply deleted the heading "Sources" and the article would have had more integrity than what you did with it. But stop treating the source itself inappropriately and claiming that it not a valid source.

I'm sick of all this voluminous debate which has gone on for far too long because of the numerous issues of miscomprehension on your part. I'm now going to override your edits and fix it according to what I believe is correct. --David from Downunder (talk) 15:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have time to get into this now. I'll check it out if I have time. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 00:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)