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Hello, SV. Thanks for the note about suggested edit from "animal liberation" to "animal welfare." To explain my reasoning, it is apparent from the author's website, linked at the bottom of the article, that his book argues from the tradition of moral concern for animals and an abhorrence for cruelty. The book itself deals at some length with difference between that outlook and the concept of "animal liberation." As I'm sure you know from previous editorial disputes, there are many differences between the two terms and what they represent. In this case, "animal welfare" seems a better fit, as is clear from the Library Journal review on author website: "This is one of the best books ever written on the subject of animal welfare." Anyway, appreciate your asking. Egajbs

Ptmccain redux

Using AOL as promised.[1]--Mantanmoreland 01:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

If Ptmccain can't get this out of his system I wonder if a semi-protect would be in order?--Mantanmoreland 13:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Found a new tool

Hi SlimVirgin. I just happened to stumble across User:Cacycle/wikEd. It seems to be pretty new (warning: alpha quality), but looks quite promising. It can highlight ref parts in the edit window. But please don't ask me too much about it. I just started playing with it and thought this might be of interest for you in the longer run. Apologies if you should happen to know this already. --Ligulem 09:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

spaces and footnotes

They look pretty goofy with the extra space, if you ask me, but if there is a policy saying that that's OK, I'm happy to ignore it. Uucp 15:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

User page on Meta

Hello SlimVirgin,

I've semi-protected your user page and talk page on Meta due to repeated attack by IP's. Korg (talk) 17:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Gnetwerker

Hi SlimVirgin, wasn't aware of the issues. Will defer to your better judgment. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 22:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Advice

Slim, have you seen this? [2] I'm aware that the Damadian talk page is entirely the wrong forum for discussing the issue they have with Dunc, but, I'm not clear on whether it can be removed. Thanks •Jim62sch• 15:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.  :) •Jim62sch• 15:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

40,000

You're about to hit the old four - oh - kay. Editingwise. (Ahem. Some of us reached that milestone hundreds of edits ago.) Well, even so, let me be the first to welcome you, prematurely, to the Society of Too-Many Edits (SOTME). You're now eligible for the Wikipedia swag bag, with a value of hundreds of thousands of accolades (the IRS will want its cut). Cheers, -Will Beback 11:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

ALF

Hi SV, could you explain why the ALF does not meet the definition for a Designated terrorist organization? I can't see why being named as such by the US Dept of Homeland Security, a department of the Federal Government of the United States, is any different than being named by the US State Department (which is given as an example). Thanks. Rockpocket 17:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. That makes sense! Rockpocket 17:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

CC'd from RockPocket's talk page:

Incorrect SlimVirgin. There are organizations that exist in the united states that are on official lists of terrorist organizations (DOD, FBI, state dept. etc.), and are still allowed to operate/raise money. ALF is one that comes to mind. GreenPeace was another, they were on the FBI list. Westboro Baptist Church is on the DoD list. When I was working full time counter-terrorism/force protection for the army, we would get the CT briefings with a full list of terrorist organizations operating in our area, and some of the names on the lists were very public organizations that were actively engaged in fundraising activities. Religious organizations like IIIT, SCC, IRO, Al Wafa, etc still operate in the US. For a Terrorist organization to have their bank accounts seized, they must be on the Terrorist Exclusion List. I will CC this to your talk page. ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 18:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

talk:God

Your changes have been impressive. -Ste|vertigo 21:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Gnetwerker

FYI: an admin apparently didn't listen to your notice and deleted Gnetwerker's /hist page. Paul Cyr 18:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Just had to say

Just had to say that Bruegel picture overlapping visually on top of the Wikipedian classification boxes is... yikes! Highly disturbing to the eye! --wayland 20:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Boston Tea Party

Howdy, I noticed that you and I seem to post in one or two articles dealing with progressive issues in political science/sociology. There's currently a debate beginning in Boston Tea Party as to whether the article should include the category [3]. It meets definitions set in the articles Terrorism and Definition of terrorism, however, there are several self-proclaimed patriots who watch BTP who refuse to recognise the fact. The simple criteria for terrorism generally seem to be intimidation or destruction of property in order to change public policy or public opinion while a state of war has not yet been declared. Some users would rather use recent acts of terrorism as a yardstick, rather than using a firm definition, and hence lose their ability to discuss matters calmly. Would you be able to pop in to the Talk page and join in the discussion? Thanks much, samwaltz 05:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:NewASAnti-Semiticposter.jpg

I've responded at PUI. In terms of the larger issue, we have a sort of haphazard approach to derivative works. If I take a picture of a busy street, and there's a poster in a storefront window, we tend to ignore it. But if I take a picture of a poster, and it is clear that the subject of the photograph is the poster, we tend to delete it. There are plenty of cases in between these two where we just try to come to some sort of reasonable decision after discussion. Jkelly 18:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Rat Park

I know that you have worked a lot on this article, and I can understand where you are coming from, but I disagree with your editing out the intro statement "The series of experiments were conducted as part of the debate about the nature of addiction, and whether social solutions, or medical and legal responses, are the best way to curb addictive behavior." To use your own words, "The thing about your intro is that it didn't say what was special about Rat Park. Someone reading the intro should be given an overview of the article such that, if they want to, they can read the intro and nothing else, and still get the gist of the page..." Well, that statement alone gives the clearest and most succinct explanation of the experiment. I don't want to get into an edit fight over this, but I really would prefer if you didn't delete the statement. 24.126.199.129 22:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Removing warnings poll

Even though m:Polls are evil, you may or may not be interested in this one. Cheers, JYolkowski // talk 02:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Linking of dates and edits to Ronnie Lee

Greetings, SlimVirgin. I typed my reply to you on my own talk page, but, due to some technical glitch on my computer, was unable to export it to your talk page. Romanspinner // talk 14:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

A question of your opinion on NOR

In the case where the transcript says "Terrorists are bad people", we are in agreement. And - that agreement prefers the primary source over the secondary source. So if you and I agree that in this case the primary source is preferred, do you see why I resist changes to NOR that say primary sources are not preferred?

In the case where the President's transcript said "I don't like terrorists and I always like good people," and the CNN article said "The President said terrorists are bad people", then here are my thoughts:

• The President said terrorists are bad people [link to complete transcript of president's remarks]. <- no, because the president did not say that.
• The President said terrorists are bad people [link to CNN coverage of president's remarks]. <- better, but the president STILL did not say that.

I prefer:

• The presidents remarks have been interpreted to mean that he believes terrorists are bad people [link to CNN coverage of president's remarks].

Good night for now - O^O 23:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:RS dispute

Sorry to bother you yet again, but there is a dispute about whether certain sources meet WP:RS and you seemed like the person to ask for an opinion on it if you have time. See here. The issue is essentially whether the ADL and TheocracyWatch are reliable sources. JoshuaZ 01:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

How to handle disputes

Hi Slim. I've seen you around here, and I know you've dealt with your share of disputes, so perhaps you can help with mine. I'm in a bit of a dispute over language (FWIW it's here). Would it be in bad taste to request a third opinion on the Language reference desk? I know spamming, etc., is discouraged, but putting up a request on WP:3O always takes a long time and usually doesn't work to well. In your experience, what is the best way to do this? The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 01:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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Why are you reverting?

Why are you reverting me? You've said yourself that some say it's anti-zionism and some say it's anti-semitism. In such a case as I'm sure you know it is common practice on Wikipedia to say , "X says Y about Z". (→Netscott) 14:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

You have only one source stating it is anti-Semitism (and a source who you must admit is rather questionable in terms of reliability). (→Netscott) 14:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

3RR Warning?

Since you've placed a warning on my talk page I'm bringing this to your talk page. Please show me four diffs where I've undid someone's editing on New anti-Semitism. If you can't do that then kindly remove your warning. Thanks. (→Netscott) 16:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:HA

Knock it off. -SV

Does it now? -Ste|vertigo 20:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

lord moyne page

nice work on the page, I thank you for your efforts. Amoruso 16:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Dealing with a stalker

This nasty little troll continues to post my location in an effort to intimidate me.

he goes by 12.72.119.59 but has other ip addresses as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Diana_Irey

132.241.246.111 23:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Martin Luther

Hey Slim, I'm gradually working my way through the Core Biographies (especially those slated for Version 0.5) to make sure there are no obvious outstanding problems (copyvio, POV, etc.). I scanned through the Martin Luther article and it mostly seemed up to snuff, except for the part of the intro discussing Luther's anti-Semitism. The gist of the content is fine, however, the style is very awkward for an intro. Since you are a prominent contributer to the article, I was wondering if you could look over my suggested change on the talk page and let me know if it is acceptable. I'm beginning to wonder if there are any Core Biographies that you are not a prominent contributor to :) Kaldari 00:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Please respond

It took me a while but I found where you deleted the image I uploaded. You wrote that I was a LaRouche supporter, and the image was to promote LaRouche. That is a bald faced lie. Please cite one example of any time that I have ever inserted a favorable comment or edit on LaRouche to Wikipedia. --NathanDW 16:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Poster over at New anti-Semitism

Hi Slim, I wasn't trying to be funny (this time) about that poster. Justing trying to get more info about it. I really consider you a voice of reason around here and also you have been very fair with me in the past, so I hope I haven't offended you and if so I apologize. As I stated, the CONTENT of that poster is GARBAGE/SCUM but the color and style are striking, for what its worth...anyways..--Tom 16:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Tagging BLPs

Hi Slim, I share your concerns about the use of importance rankings for biographies. Persoanlly, I would like to see the importance rankings dropped from biography articles in favor of a "core=yes" or "core=no" assessment. The idea has been discussed before, but I'm afraid it's lost in an archive somewhere. If you feel strongly about the issue, perhaps the idea should be reintroduced. Kaldari 17:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

NAS

You've changed a quote in NAS. Please revert yourself. We don't change quotations. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:34, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I actually changed it to reflect the actual quotation. I'm I missing something? If my edit wasn't correct I apologize and oh course will revert it, but I believe I am corrct....--Tom 19:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

You've created a monster

I was patient with your silent removal of my previous request, but now your indulgence of User:IronDuke has led him to come to Reed College and accuse me[4][5] of stalking him there! He is baiting me by again making unsourced edits and nasty Talk page comments[6]. I would ask that you suggest to IronDuke that he back off. -- Gnetwerker 19:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)