User talk:Menchi
维基百科，自由的百科全书
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您好，Menchi！ 多謝您對台灣相關條目的貢獻。- 如果您是台灣人，請在您的用戶頁面加入代碼：
[[Category:台灣維基人|{{subst:PAGENAME}}]]
或者使用{{User 中華民國}}、{{User Taiwan}}、{{User Taiwan2}}、{{User Taiwan3}}任一用戶框模板語法，就會自動歸入本分類，除此之外，還可以參考台灣相關用戶框以獲取更多資訊。 - 誠邀您參與台灣主題公告欄，以便合作撰寫台灣條目。
您可以將代碼{{TwBoardNews}}加到您的用戶頁面中，這樣就能在您的用戶頁面上接收到台灣維基人的最新消息。 - 批踢踢[1]、KKCity[2]與香港地網路社區BBS[3]皆設有連線的維基百科討論板（英文版名均為Wikipedia），歡迎經常使用BBS的維基人參與討論。
- 台灣維基人社群Blog（Blogger、台灣維基社群官方Blog）有台灣維基人所有的新消息，歡迎多多利用。
歡迎您的維基人是：阿儒 19:46 2006年2月23日 (UTC) Skeletons in the crypt:
你不用刪除舊的討論。沒有這個必要，我每幾個月自己存庫的。
目前：2005年1月～現在
Notes for myself:
- Wikipedia:关于中文维基百科
- User:Menchi/Test：自己维基版面測試
新的留言在最下面：
[编辑] 请帮忙参加校验工作
请帮忙校验：板→板闆、表→表錶、并→并並併竝、布→布佈，谢谢。--Mountain(Talk) 23:11 2005年1月5日 (UTC)
[编辑] Long Time no see
he....he....he.....^^--虎兒 01:22 2005年1月22日 (UTC)
- :o) --Menchi 02:31 2005年1月22日 (UTC)
[编辑] 新年logo投票
- Done. --Menchi 2005年2月8日
[编辑] 鸥
Thanks very much. I photograph these birds in beijing beihai park and taoranting park. --User:用心阁
渔鸥,in en:Pallas's gull，那片子是在北京动物园拍的，北美的鸟出现在北京的几率太小了，前两天刚听有的鸟友说动物园来个渔鸥--有组织无纪律 (talk) 看看雪夜猫子是个啥 10:34 2005年2月17日 (UTC)
- You're probably right! --Menchi 20:16 2005年2月17日 (UTC)
[编辑] Am I nosy? I can't tell and don't know
I just read your comment on User talk:Seasurfer: it's definitely a good one. It's better to guide a newbie the right way of editing than correct errors later, even in risk of hurting a newbie mood of wikipedia. Btw, how's your reading week, assuming your study in a postsecondary institution? :) ZZZ...很睏 (对话、留言按这里) 23:08 2005年2月20日 (UTC)
- Thank you for understanding. I just replied Seasurfer below, then I saw your message. Yeah...phew! I thought my comments may be misunderstood and tried hard to write my explanations in a really nice friendly tone, but to excite this much anger? Woa! Anyway, I really am not gonna bother with this idea of "keep it Chinese, it's Chinese WP!" I do not own this place and I'm way too tired to stage a takeover. ;-) People can do what they want, I'm not gonna be pushy about it. --Menchi (討論頁)Â 03:39 2005年2月21日 (UTC)
[编辑] Essential use of English
Regarding to the way you edit my post, I find it extremely intrusive and rude.
You should ask my opinion first before you did such a thing, I may have my own reason behind.
Why I listed those English terms? First, most medical articles and most new discoveries are written in English, whatever I wrote today could be outdated tomorrow, I put those English terms there because readers might want to have more infomation. It could help them to find more information in English.
Second, regrading this: "However, it is purely unnecessary to, in a Chinese text, say things like " "英語中的其他名称：" Since this is an encylopedia, why can't I list those terms that are also commonly use in the world, regardless of language.
No reason to benefit other languages users doesn't mean that it doesn't benefit people who can use English! Why the hell you want to stop benefiting people who you can benefit just because it may not benefit everyone, your kind of thinking is selfish!
I don't see by mentioning the name in other languages will made it unreadable multilingual junk. Remember, I am only listing those terms in English, not writting the whole article in English. That is no rule in wikipedia to stop listing names in other languages!!!
I find that you extremely arrogant, what "baby article" you mean!!! Just because you join in earlier than me doesnt mean that you have the right to everything and do whatever you want to a person who just joined.
Lastly, I am a medical student, and I clearly know every single terms of it, in both languages, even French, Japanese, Malay, not as what you say unsure of those terms!!! Don't make such kind irresponsible comment!!! I retained some English words, because they are names!!! There is no official translation of those names yet, I think it is best to remain those original name, so people can verity it on their own!!!
If you want the names of other languages, I can do it too, but it is not necessary, as a medical student, I knew clearly that the latest infomation are most likely written in English!!! Please stop doing such stupid thing, and has such stupid thinking!!! You want every thing to be in 100% chinese, I can tell you that is fat hope, today, languages interact more frequently than in the past!!! Don't be such a purist, and hinder the propagation of knowledge.
I really don't like this kind of stupid and unnessery argument, I think this time could be use to write more articles. And stop doing such an unnessary thing!!! Your time can be used better!!!
--阿仁 02:43 2005年2月21日 (UTC)
- And I thought I made it clear in my comments that my constructive criticism shouldn't be taken the wrong way. But evidently, they were! Well, I'm not sure how much more I could do to emphasis that my suggestions were not -- are not-- meant to hurt your feeling. It's important not to take ownership in WP and consider stuff one wrote as "one's article". But nevertheless, I expressed my understanding that you probably feel it's precious to you. That's what I mean by "baby" -- precious and cared for. But you seem to mistake it to mean "litte/sucky". That was not what I meant. In fact, in my very first sentence, I said your article was a great work.
- And the "multilingual junk" part is what could happen if we add in every single language -- English, French, German, Spanish, Tagalog, Arabic, Zulu, Inuktitut. Can you imagine how messy and lengthy that'd be? That's just job of Wiktionary and Wikibooks. But apparently you don't see that distinction important. Well, I tried to explain, and I won't try to change your idea again.
- And the rest of my comments were -- I honestly thought -- pretty polite and nice. I made the effort of going to your talk page to explain my edit on your article. I went out of my way, thinking my explanation could help you understand the Chinese WP. But you apparently are not interested in hearing what I said, since you "clearly know every single terms of it, in both languages, even French, Japanese, Malay". I was wrong to assume you'd hear me out. My bad. You're right that I should really spend my time more wisely. So, I apologize to writing such a comment to you. I won't ever give you feedback ever again (unless I forget this encounter, which is unlikely!) I'm sorry if I made your Wikipedian experience unpleasant. I hope you make more good works.
I, on the other hand, will just live with the fact that the Chinese Wikipedia is evolving into Chinese-English Wikipedia and move on. I apparently only offend people by trying to be a "purist". This is the last time I'm taking extraneous English text out of WP. Nobody else seems to mind, so I shall get on the bandwagon! --Menchi (討論頁)Â 03:28 2005年2月21日 (UTC)
I welcomed your comment, but I think you should discuss it first rather putting everything into your hands first. Because other people may have a different opinion on it, and more importantly, this is not something against the rule of wikipedia, shouldn't you discuss it first? It is a gesture of respect.
The fact today is, even in China and Taiwan, most medical articles will come along with English terms, reason is simple, it helps to understand better, I would say, most chinese or taiwanese medical students and reseachers can't rely on chinese article alone, they have to search for English article to facilitate or expand their knowledge, I knew this, that is why I put those English terms, why I don't put french terms, because, the word dengue is the same as in french. Why i dont put other languages, because, at the current trend, it doesn't help much, I put it in Japanese, because I knew, Japanese has a lot of info too, imagine, while translating this article, I did some read up on some Japanese source...although not significant compare to English, but what is the harm of listing it? no harm being done right?
After I post this article it is free for everyone to use and edit, I own no right to it, I knew it from the beginning of the day I start to write. And I dont take it personally, there is nothing i can do, if you insist on it, and I am also not going to waste my time to reedit it back again. But what i want to say is, there is no harm at all mentioning other langauges.
To tell you the truth, I have also thought of this question too, why should i only mention it in English and not other languages while i wrote this article. Since I knew the terms for other languages as well. However, I have to admit to the fact that, English is currently the dominating language in most scientific field and medical field. It is very unwise if i didnt mention the current term in English....if you are a researcher reading this article, would you like to find more info about it? What will come to your mind first? go and do some research on those english journals right? and if there is no english term there, then those people have to take the trouble to look it up in the dictionary or worst, they may not be able to find the correspoding english term sometime, this is the case the i frequently encounter...
The main reason I came to Chinese Wikipedia, because there are too little articles on Chinese Wikipedia, I wanted to do some contribution, to expand the knowledge in Chinese language, one reason, why people do not use chinese as a research language is because, there is simply not enough of material for use in research. The reason, why i have not written this article in English, is because, there is already a lot of info on this subject in english, but not in chinese...--阿仁 04:12 2005年2月21日 (UTC)
- Menchi's comments were appropiate but newbies, including Seasurfer, sometimes though not intentionally, do misinterpret good intensions. IMO Seasurfer was furious about the way the post was edited. Maybe a discussion before editing would smooth things out and a reading for Seasurfer at en:Wikipedia:Replies to common objections would help. Anyway, guys, don't take it personally. Wikipedians write stuff for The Reader: when different ideas crash, emotions tend to blow out of proportion.
- Don't give up hope, Menchi. Your presence is an asset to Wikipedia. You kept your cool while being called for promoting Taiwan independence in a sentence on your user page. I can assure that this comparatively petty incident will not affect your passion at wikipedia. As for Seasurfer, medical expertise is also in dire need at Chinese wikipedia. I can further assure that all of us are here for the ultimate goal: The Reader...and a lasting site of the information :-) Relax and lay back. ～～ZZZ...很睏 (对话、留言按这里) 04:50 2005年2月21日 (UTC)
[编辑] 吳廷琰
在[4]這本漢越字典上“琰”是Diệm，中華民國當時和南越有正式外交關係，如果中華民國外交單位把南越總統的名字弄錯，不可能不被當時的南越政府糾正 --無名氏
[编辑] welcome back
hi, Menchi, welcome back. Long time no see.--Theodoranian|虎兒 (talk) 02:23 2005年6月1日 (UTC)
[编辑] 继续讨论
请到此处继续讨论待翻译非中文的处理办法。谢谢。---肚脐 | 。| 18:31 2005年6月6日 (UTC)
[编辑] Menchi, please help me to stop the Chinese spies in Wikipedia
Menchi,
As a Taiwanese, you respect freedom of speech and academic freedom, because Taiwan is a nation presently bullied by China; please contact me ( freehongkong25@hotmail.com ) and help me, if you think the Chinese spy Wing is abusing his or her power to delete pro-independence entries
Sincerely, Chong, contact person of Hong Konger Front, and Hong Kong Independence Movement
I hereby strongly protest against Wing, a China-born wikipedia admininstrator (in charge of the Chinese version of wikipedia) who keeps deleting the entries about the Hong Kong Independence Movement and the Hong Konger Front, both groups advocate building an independence sovereign state of Hong Kong;
China-born Wing (you lived in Maine, the USA, right), Hong Kongers are not Chinese, and at least 30% of Hong Kongers want the Chinese occupying troops (PLA) to get out of the Hong Kong, and at least 30% of Hong Kongers do want the Beijing regime to leave Hong Kong alone, and at least 30% of Hong Kongers have the visions of building an independent sovereign Hong Kong state
China-born Wing, I know you dislike Hong Kong separatists, but does it mean this (your hatred against Hong Kong separatists) is the reason why you are abusing your power to delete the entries of Hong Konger Front and Hongkong Independence Movement
China-born Wing You live and study in the USA, a democratic nation, but you have not learnt about democracy, and freedom of speech, and freedom of expression in the USA
China-born Wing, I think you pay no respect to the wikipedia, because you delete any politics-related entries you dislike
香港人不是中國人, 香港也不是中國的一部分．所謂 “九七香港回歸” 只不過是北京政權在違背香港人的自由意志下對香港人所實施的非法暴行．
中國人Wong, 請你尊重學術自由, 不要在當中國的間諜
Hong Konger Frontline(我是香港人連線), calling for Hong Kong independence http://www.geocities.com/hk_front
Best regards, Hong Kong-born Chong (香港人Chong)
香港人不是中国人？是英国人？可惜英国抛弃了你们！那么是什么呢？香港独立国人？呵呵，你靠什么立国？“是北京政權在違背香港人的自由意志下對香港人所實施的非法暴行”？为什么不说英国政府在违背了香港人的自由意志？难道英国人交还香港没有违背你们的自由意志？那么为什么中国政府接受香港就违背了你的自由意志？慊卑若愚-(☎) 01:26 2005年12月15日 (UTC)
[编辑] 中文維基年會地點選擇通知
您好，中文維基正在籌辦首屆年會，誠摯地邀請您一同參與年會的籌備工作。
- Wikipedia:2006中文維基年會
- 網址：http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:2006%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%B9%B4%E6%9C%83
目前已投票決定年會日期為2006年8月26日-8月27日舉行( http://0rz.net/1110P )，2月19日起開始進行年會地點的選擇投票( http://0rz.net/4114e )。
地點的選擇規則(採用vipuser案)：
- 先进行为期2星期的第一轮投票，所有在投票前注册的维基人都可以参与投票（每人投任意票）和讨论，选出支持率最高的前3名的城市。
- 一星期讨论并确定各个城市的举办条件，并进行SWOT分析(優點、弱點、機會、威脅)，讨论并进行审核确定符合条件的城市。
- 如果有2个以上城市符合基本条件，进行为期一星期的维基见习编辑参与的第二轮投票（建议结合，个人可能出席的城市）。
--Jasonzhuocn...._交流 21:58 2006年2月20日 (UTC)
[编辑] 管理員離任
hi, Menchi。
发现你已经有很长时间没有来维基百科了。最近很忙吗？还是对这个计划失去了兴趣？或者是别的什么原因？
我们现在有一个管理员离任的政策，由于你长时间没有编辑，根据我们的规则，“最近的六個月未曾做過有關百科條目的編輯”，我们需要考虑取消您的管理员权限。
希望你还能够为维基百科做贡献。我觉得你在维基百科上的发言经常能够推动维基百科又向前进一步，真的希望看到您重返自由的百科全书家园！
最近看到一些老朋友一个个离开，真的有些伤感... --用心阁（对话页） 13:30 2006年3月1日 (UTC)
[编辑] 吉米來台見面會
Jimmy Wales將在4月7日來台，其中4月9日是和台灣朋友的見面會，見面會的詳情請見吉米·威爾士見面會，管理員可優先報名，記得去報名喔--KJ(悄悄話) 02:17 2006年3月22日 (UTC)
[编辑] 台灣維基全國性社團的名稱
因為春聚時要討論的事太多，台灣維基全國性社團的相關事項並沒有進入議程。現在我在元維基開了一個投票頁：m:Wikimedia Taiwan/命名投票，請一起參與討論和投票。--mingwangx 14:01 2006年3月22日 (UTC)
[编辑] 台灣維基人的全國性社團相關事宜
台灣維基人正在籌備一個全國性社團，有一些事情要請大家一起來參與。現在正在進行的討論與投票有：
此外，現在發起人人數已經跨越30人門檻，不過，人民團體法和社會團體許可立案作業規定都沒有規定人數上限，因此想加入發起人名單中的伙伴請繼續簽名。
至於身份證影本，原本打算請各位在社團名稱確定後，在身份證影本上註明「專供＊＊＊＊＊使用」字樣郵寄給我，但是剛才去翻申請組織全國性社會團體須知（Word檔）才發現先前漏看一個規定，發起人名冊除了需要發起人的資料並且附上身份證之外，還要有發起人親自簽章。所以，郵寄身份證變得沒有意義了。因此，我將安排幾次發起人聚會（可能北中南各一次），讓大家帶身份證過來並簽章。
對這個社團的籌備事宜，如果有任何意見，請到相關頁表達，如果找不到相關頁面，就到Talk:Wikimedia Taiwan留言。--mingwangx (talk) 15:00 2006年4月10日 (UTC)
[编辑] 「動員令」活動
部分維基人設計了每人貢獻二新條目的「動員令」活動，歡迎參加。 詳情請參閱Wikipedia:社區主頁之公告欄。--18164 13:01 2006年7月23日 (UTC)
[编辑] 二次动员令
为了增加中文维基的条目数量，8月15日到10月1日为止，请每个维基人编辑至少5个新条目，条目必须符合维基的规则，内容至少要达到条目标准，不可是小条目或小小条目，如果可以的话，请尽量提高所编写条目的质量、内容，甚至达到推荐新条目的水平，创建新条目，创建后请在“二次动员令”内设链接，谢谢！
收到此动员令的维基人，请将此动员令贴到至少5个还未收到此动员令的维基人讨论页上，就算不想建立新条目，也请帮忙散发动员令，因为能否将动员令传播出去，是成败关键之一，“首次动员令”效果不大，就是因为没有在传播。
现在中文维基百科有9万注册用户，只要有4000人参加动员令，10月1日就会增加2万条目，意味著中文维基将迅速超越俄文维基，进而突破10万条目大关，且是很漂亮的突破10万大关，因为增加的是有质量的条目，非滥竽充数者，请大家尽力帮忙完成这壮举，就算是新人，也不要害怕，尽量创建新条目，若有问题就改正，参加这次动员令活动，也可让新人们更快学会如何创建条目。--真實事求是 12:36 2006年8月16日 (UTC)
[编辑] 采访
你好. 我是香港大学新闻系的研究生Yarson. 我在做一个有关WIKI的调查研究.可能会发表.不知道你这位资深的创始人可不可以接受我的采访?请速和我联系.谢谢. yarsonrobin@yahoo.com 这是我的邮箱.希望我们能尽快去得联系
[编辑] 第四次動員令
第四次动员令将在4月1日开始，为期一个月，欢迎各位参加。
此次动员令与前三次不同，是以增加某领域条目为目的的小动员令。这次共举办6个主题的小动员令，翻譯動員令、生物動員令、異國(寰宇)動員令、體育、奧運動員令、音樂動員令及暗黑动员令，是些大家感兴趣，或维基条目贫乏，需要人编辑的领域，前5个由各维基人选出，最后1个由主持人决定。
第四次动员令要求参与者贡献5个条目，其中二个必须是推薦新條目，才算完成，详细规则请看这里。
收到此動員令的維基人，請將此動員令貼到至少5個還沒收到此動員令的維基人討論頁上。就算暫時不想參加編輯條目，也請幫忙散發動員令，因為能否將動員令傳播出去，是成敗關鍵之一。 -- 大摩 15:57 2007年4月5日 (UTC)
[编辑] 請一起來關心讓維基更好
感謝您對維基作出的貢獻。維基之所以能夠融合大家的智慧，最主要來自於方針的執行與共識的形成，除了使用者尊重方針與參與共識的討論過程以外，管理員群在這方面也有引導使用者了解方針和促進共識的產生，並且在共識形成之後付諸實行。因此，管理員對於分張的認識與尊重，參與共識的積極性也就需要格外的付出心力，以取得大家的信任與尊重。
然而，當一兩位管理員可能不明白這方面的重要性時，他們有可能會影響整個管理員群的形象，社群對他們的信任，以及日後勸導使用者尊重方針和參與討論，這對於維基的發展會有負面的影響，因此需要您一起來關心。
目前，有一位管理員因為上述的原因，正在進行權力取消與否的投票。請您加入一同討論與關心您的付出以及讓維基更好。謝謝。—cobrachen 2007年9月21日 (五) 15:04 (UTC)
[编辑] 維基研究協助
Menchi您好，我是就讀於中國文化大學新聞研究所的學生邱家緯，目前正進行一項對兩岸三地維基人的研究，需要許多維基用戶的協助。這份研究曾在07年的維基年會發表過，也訪問過來自中國大陸、香港與台灣的維基用戶。現在更需要大量的問卷資料輔助，希望您能夠提供維基的編輯經驗。這份問卷只需要花您兩分鐘時間，但是對維基領域研究有很大貢獻，謝謝您的幫忙！
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