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Contents 1 Your opinion please 2 Notability of Juggs 3 Image:Monster_Manual_cover-200px.jpg 4 Redirect for deletion 5 Karel Doorman & 25 de Mayo 6 Jazz Flute 7 Guam stamps 8 Henry Adrian "Packy" Schade 9 Devil's Hole pupfish 10 USS Hornet: Image mooring lines 11 Prickly pear photo 12 Just saw your Commons page 13 Harn 14 Your back and I'm off 15 FYI - a photo has been double-promoted to FP 16 AfD nomination of Belegaer 17 AfD nomination of Juggs 18 Smile! 19 Stamp templates 20 Away team 21 Bitterroot 22 Wikibooks Garden Book (you're a contributor!) 23 Merry Christmas 24 Re: My picture 25 Category name change 26 Emperor's name 27 Speedy deletion of Anthony Aston 28 Fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Cameroons 2d-600px.jpg 29 Fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Cameroons 3d-250px.jpg 30 Fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Cameroons 1sh-250px.jpg 31 Geocoding 32 Fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Indoch Garnier-300px.jpg 33 Fair use rationale for Image:Stamp AT 1945 5pf a-150px.jpg 34 Fair use rationale for Image:Stamp IS 1948 25a-400px.jpg 35 Interested? 36 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:STS-8 flight cover 8912 back.jpg 37 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp AN 1950 6c.jpg 38 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp AN 1958 15c.jpg 39 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp AN 1989 70c.jpg 40 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp AT 1968 2s arms.jpg 41 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Abu 1967 40f-170px.jpg 42 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp BAT 1963 0.5p.jpg 43 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp CA 1967 8c.jpg 44 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp CA 1981 17c Acadia.jpg 45 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp CA 1989 39c flag.jpg 46 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp DK 1940 35o.jpg 47 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp DK 1969 flag.jpg 48 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp DK 1975 130o.jpg 49 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp DK 1983 200o.jpg 50 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp IQ 1958 20f ovpt.jpg 51 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp IQ 1960 30f Army Day.jpg 52 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp IQ 1976 50f defin.jpg 53 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Kuwait 1957 15np.jpg 54 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Kuwait 1961 30f.jpg 55 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Kuwait 1964 45f.jpg 56 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp TZ 1965 10c-120px.jpg 57 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp TZ 1965 1sh-500px.jpg 58 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Stamp TZ 1980 5sh-500px.jpg 59 Marine park 60 CTC category 61 re: Image:Cover Canada 1932 Rae air.jpg 62 Israel & Palestine philatelic articles 63 Pakistani stamp images 64 Speedy deletion of Erba 65 Chain Reaction Records 66 AfD nomination of David Starr Jordan 67 Page rename request 68 Stamp template 69 Bureau of Engraving 70 Photo request 71 California photo requests now by County 72 Mass philatelic deletion 73 Removal of image from Polio vaccine 74 Federal Duck Stamps 75 Block of TheEditrix2 76 DDR stamps 77 Erysimum 78 Have a look please 79 List of Malawi-related articles 80 List of guidebooks about the Sierra Nevada listed at AFD

[edit] Your opinion please

Can you comment on the recent incarnation of the Hacker's article? Take a look at this post here. Thanks. -- Kerowren ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 20:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Juggs

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[edit] Image:Monster_Manual_cover-200px.jpg

I have tagged Image:Monster_Manual_cover-200px.jpg as {{no rationale}}, because it does not provide a fair use rationale. If you believe the image to be acceptable for fair use according to Wikipedia policy, please provide a rationale explaining as much, in accordance with the fair use rationale guideline, on the image description page. Please also consider using {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. Thank you. ShakespeareFan00 19:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect for deletion

Hello. I just listed USS Chattanooga (CL-118) at Redirects for deletion. Please let me know there of your opinion of my rationale. Thanks. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 07:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Karel Doorman & 25 de Mayo

Please post your opinion about a merge proposal at Talk:HNLMS Karel Doorman (R81). Thks --Jor70 13:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts [1], and sorry to bother you with this but Im not sure to understand your position here --Jor70 11:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jazz Flute

All right, if you don't mind my placing it here, this is what happened with that edit - I removed it, placing a note on Saxstudio's talk page, and logged on to find the entire paragraph back. The editor was one Gustav von Humpelschmumpel, who asked why I had deleted an entire section. I just left a note on his talk explaining pretty much the same thing I left on saxstudio's talk, with an appology for notifying the wrong user, and told him I was going to remove it again, since he seemed able to get it back up rather quickly. I'm just wondering, now, were we reffering to the same article? Thanks for your time, please leave a note on my talk. --Sorcerer of words 16:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guam stamps

Hello, Stan. I am preparing an article about the philatelic and postal history of Guam, for the Wikipedia in French. The idea began with a French magazine article about Guam aerophilatelic covers. If you can find this intel easily, please : outside 1899 overprinted US stamps and the Guam Guard Mail stamps, is there US stamp with a topic connected to Guam outside the one issued last 1st of June (Hagåtña Bay) ? Hoping you are spending a nice summer. Sebjarod 15:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I looked around for other stamps but could not find any though I do not have any major catalogues here. Hopepfully Sebjarod you will also translate this page into English so we can add it here too. Thanks ww2censor 16:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, if you are ready to correct lots of barbarism :) I'll try (I have a translation of this Machin series article I have to rewrite before. Sebjarod 08:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there aren't any - the logical choices would have been the Territorial issue of 1937, or a mention in the WWII issues of the early 90s, but I guess Guam was too small or obscure to be chosen for either. And I'm seeing someone new and wonderful, so it's been a very nice summer, although it cuts into WP productivity, ha ha. Stan 07:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I look in my old 2000 Michel and you ar right (just "GUAM" on each central maps of 1991-1995 issues). Continue your summer to come back wikiproductive again :) Sebjarod 08:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Henry Adrian "Packy" Schade

Stan, I was amazed to find an article on the venerable Mr. Schade. I am curious how you knew him, which I assume you did as you cite his boys and wife by name.

I grew to know the boys in the late 90s while working on a book. The subject matter surrounded Packy's work while head of the Carrier Desk during WWII, from 1942 through 1944. The boys were extremely helpful.

It might interest you to know that at my urging the boys gathered up all of Packy's papers and I arranged to have them added to the manuscript collection at the United States Naval Academy's Nimitz Library. There they are available for current and future generations to research and learn more about this very interesting man.

I wonder if you'd mind terribly if I augmented your Packy article? Mentioning the repository of his papers might prove useful for students and the anecdotal origin of his nickname interesting, etc.

Thanks for remembering a very important man in our nation's history yet to most is unfamiliar. Feel free to contact me as my username is actually linked to email. xl_five_lx 03:37 31 July 2007

Just following up on our previous conversation some weeks back. After a recent move, I still hadn't unpacked many of the document boxes I have containing Navy records. I have now sifted through them and finally located the material on Packy Schade. As promised, I will soon try and add what I can to your article regarding same. Thanks very much. Xl five lx 23:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Devil's Hole pupfish

You have been reverting the change from critically endangered to Vulnerable in the taxobox of the Devil's Hole pupfish article. Both IUCN and Fishbase list the species as vulnerable. Do you have a reliable source that says otherwise, or are you mistaking the reversion by anonymous editors as vandalism? Neil916 (Talk) 17:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I was assuming vandalism. Astonishing that IUCN can't be bothered to update their listing, considering that with a count of 36 adults remaining in habitat, the pupfish are much rarer than many of the other "critically endangered" species, and just one accidental rockfall away from extinction. Thank you IUCN... Stan 18:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] USS Hornet: Image mooring lines

Greetings,

We found this image on the gallery of photos about shipping which you have posted on Wikipedia.

We would very much like to use it as the cover of a book of one of Joseph Conrad's stories. The book is a commercial production. We are happy to comply with the GNU Licence terms, but wanted you to know what we were doing and also wanted to assure ourselves it was your photograph.

Should you have any questions to put to us, or if there are other obligations we need to fulfil, please let us know.

Yours sincerely,

Mrs. D. MurgatroydIsobel Coates 16:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

PS We enjoyed looking through your photographs.

Thanks for the kind words! It is indeed my photo, got a chance to tour the ship a couple years ago. I just changed it to be dual-licensed with a Creative Commons license too, in case that's more convenient. When do you think the book is coming out? I'm a bit of a Conrad fan, will keep an eye out for it. Stan 14:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prickly pear photo

Hello! I noticed you initiated the article on prickly pear cactus. I recently uploaded a photograph showing a close up of a prickly pear bloom, not a rare picture, but this example contains a small bee exiting the flower after having likely pollinated the plant. I thought you might be interested.

I'm not sure how to best lead you to the photo so I include the Image: line here but without brackets.

Thank you.

Image:Prickly pear bloom with small bee.jpg

--Bad carpet 00:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just saw your Commons page

I'm amazed at how many pics you've uploaded there, is there a way to count how many you've uploaded other than manually and are you one of the top Commons uploaders? BTW, I added your USS Hornet pics to the category USS Hornet (CV-12). I visited the ship myself in November 2004 and plan to upload any of my pics that you haven't already covered BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 05:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Your back and I'm off

I see you are back, or at least somewhat active. I am just out the door for a few days in London & Ireland and will catch up when I can or after the 17th. Cheers ww2censor 17:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

My editing has gotten episodic, more RL distractions than formerly :-) . Stan 18:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Now you're back, can you give us your comments on this? Although we don't foresee any problems, we wanted to get your thoughts before we went live with the new template. Cheers, Walkerma 07:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

But I am back now too, so we can disuss how to progress. What do you think Stan? ww2censor 17:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I commented on the project page - idea seemed OK to me. Stan 19:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Walkerma has now implemented the assessment paramaters in the philately project tag. You may want to look at the initial stats here. If you disagree with any of the ratings please change them as appropriate though we really should lay down some basic guidelines that we agree on. Cheers ww2censor 18:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FYI - a photo has been double-promoted to FP

Hi Mr. Shebs!

Since you were the original uploader of the Image:USS_Franklin_list-700px.jpg, I'd like to inform you about some things regarding this photo.

I've recently been doing a complete pictures revision on the World War II article, and I found that I mercilessly:) had to replace the USS Franklin photo with a land photo from Okinawa, in order to do more justice to Okinawa. But I felt a little bad about it; I thoroughly scrutinized each of the previous 80 pictures in the WW2 article, and found the Franklin pic to be exquisite. I am not joking - through the years I have seen thousands (god knows how many) of different photos from WW2, and the Franklin pic is IMO a masterpiece.

Therefore, I decided to upload it to Commons as Image:Attack_on_carrier_USS_Franklin_19_March_1945.jpg, do more research on it, write a caption and nominate it for featured picture on both Wikimedia Commons and the English Wikipedia.

It was recently promoted as FP in both instances, and I am not surprised.

Details on the nomination and votes:

• Commons FP result

• English Wikipedia FP result

Since you were the original uploader, I've taken the liberty of stating this/linking to you in the image summary. I will most likely soon order a reproduction or digital hi-res version from the National Archives, and upload this. If you want me to notify you about this, please tell me so on my talk page.

I just wanted to tell you about this, since if you hadn't uploaded it, I might never have seen it in the first place. I sincerely want to thank you for this!

My warm regards, --Dna-Dennis 11:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Belegaer

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[edit] AfD nomination of Juggs

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[edit] Smile!

Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) has smiled at you! Smiles are good! and hopefully this one has made your day better. Why not smile at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend? Happy editing!

heloo, what is this????????????? i do not get it u r cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.39.178.72 (talk) 12:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stamp templates

hi Stan. I think its time the footer templates were filled out with all the different entities and the articles at least stubbed. However as there are around 700 different ones - I think I'm going to create postal history templates by continent e.g Postal history of Europe, Postal history of Asia etc. This would make it more manageable and easier to navigate. I'll work on it in a few days. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 21:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes such as French Post offices abroad and British Levant and all that of which there are many. Mmm. I'm thinking it would be best to stick to continents with templates , a British commonwealth one might be a bit dated for instance and has some considerable overlap. I'll see what I can do = I'm certain we can't add all A-Z in one template that would look ridiculous but what could be done is to have the countries of one continent in one box (including past editities/micro states and PO'S etc) and then have links to other continents at the top. This way it connects to the next series of articles from that given area. It might take some time to do, also when I meant stubs I didn't mean one which provides no info - the basics is all that is needed to start with. Keep up the good work anyway, I wish there were more editors that concentrated on this area -I also like the new "rare stamp" info box -looks good . As I said anyway I'll look into it ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 11:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes it might actually be a good idea to create another set of templates also for British PO'S etc for those British stamp enthusiasts. The templates can be set at collapsible so it wouldn't look cluttered. I do think it best to stick to geographical area though primarily for an encyclopedia. We'll get there ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 11:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi just out of question, I was wondering if you collect stamps from Aland Islands see : Here or Alexandretta. I am currently selling off my entire collection as it takes up too much room. Some of the Alexandretta are slightly damaged but the others are fine. I've sold about 6 penny blacks on ebay. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 12:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes don't worry too much about the template at present as it gets larger I'll move it to one of my work pages where I can list the A-Z and then sort by continent into the more organized templates. If you are redirecting see Postage stamps and postal history of British Guiana to direct to the specific section. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 17:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure I know exactly what you are intending to do because in looking at the template on the Postage stamps and postal history of British Guiana page I don't see any links to philatelic articles. The stamps section should be hived off to its own page. Maybe you are referring to the style of that template. In that case it might work in some fashion, but whatever you do, I suggest that you do not populate the template with lots of redlinks. I really think it is unproductive to do that. Your aspiration to have an article for each stamp issuing entity is commendable but unlikely to happen any time soon, even as stubs, unless you are committed to it on your own as there are too few active philatelists. I would prefer to devote some time to improving some of the main philatelic articles. ww2censor 20:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Away team

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[edit] Bitterroot

This is an image I uploaded three years ago. I will attempt to find a more suitable free image over the next few weeks. I have no idea exactly why I chose the license based on the current info in the Plants Database. I was either dead wrong or the entry had more copyright info placed on it. If you want to change the license or add a more appropriate photo before I get to it, you are most welcome to do so. Thanks for asking. --Robbie Giles 17:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibooks Garden Book (you're a contributor!)

Hi Stan Shebs. While setting up a contributor's page for the Wikibooks gardening manual, your name came up as a top contributor due to the magic of Special:Import (the book is largely based on imported Wikipedia articles). This list (or updated versions of it) will be included in print versions for attribution purposes (since there are of course no "history pages" in print versions).

I'm sending this note to see if (a) you would like your real name used rather than your username, and (b) to make sure you have an account on Wikibooks. If your username is "taken" there and there are no contributions (or if perhaps you just lost your password), please feel free to leave me a note so I can help you fix the problem (I am a b'crat).

We're working on ways to make this attribution work better in the future, so also let me know if you want to be kept up to date on that. Thanks for contributing to the plant, insect, and other articles that have been so helpful in the creation of the garden book!--SB_Johnny | ^talk 19:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas

[edit] Re: My picture

Hi there, Stan. I must inform you that I feel rather intimidated by the tone of the recent message that you left on my talk page. But before I elucidate upon your threats, I'll address your claims:

Besides being a failure to assume good faith, accusing me of fraud is an extremely serious issue indeed. I am not representing "your" picture as myself. I have it on my userpage as it is my favourite photograph from the Wikimedia Commons. The "Yours, truly" caption (notice the careful use of comma) is intended as a celebration of the freedom provided by copyleft, a freedom which is being violated by your deletion of the image from my userpage. This deletion is an explicit breach of section two of the GNU Free Documentation License which you yourself have released the image under, and if repeated, can be considered vandalism.

Images in the Wikipedia Commons have unrestricted usage. The part of the GNU Free Documentation License referring to the attribution of copyright holder in modifications of the document is only applicable to use of the document outside of the Wikimedia project - as the image is fully attributed on both its Wikipedia and Wikipedia Commons page, to which my Userpage is directly linked. Were this a question of fair use rationale, there might potentially be a case for more explicit labelling in order to justify the image's use on my user page - however, it isn't, and thus there isn't.

There is no question as to the subject matter or copyleft holder of the document in question - and if there were, it would fall on both yourself and the Wikimedia Foundation to rectify it, on the document's respective information pages.

I might also point out that "Look you" is an extremely impolite way of addressing someone - especially as I've never spoken to or about you before, and this is the first message you have left on my talk page. Your assertion that "no way am I going to tolerate it" would appear to imply that you will continue to delete the image from my page, regardless of the cited rules which demonstrate my freedom to use it. If I've misinterpreted your meaning here I hope you'll forgive me, but I feel it is understandable given the context of the quote.

Furthermore, your threatening me with "trouble" (which is defined by Princeton University's Wordnet as "an event causing distress or pain") unless I comply with your wishes, has deeply disturbed me and can be considered a personal attack (specifically 1. a threat of violence and 2. A threat of vandalism to userpages or talk pages). Your edit summary "last chance" can be considered an extension of this, and is all the more chilling considering, as mentioned above, that this is the first time you have contacted me.

Having been rather shaken by the tone and content of your message, I would appreciate it if you avoided contacting me in future unless absolutely necessary - and if so, I would ask that you employ common courtesy and refrain from issuing unsubstantiated demands and threats, implicit or otherwise.

I'm sure you understand my concern. Thanks for your time, and have an enjoyable festive season. Yeanold Viskersenn (talk) 18:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your courteous reply - I certainly understand that one can put across the wrong idea in the heat of the moment. I thank you for engaging in a constructive dialogue in order to resolve this dispute. I've taken on board your points and have thus labelled the image on my talk page as being of yourself. My intention was certainly not to defraud you in any way, or to lead others to believe that my account was in any way controlled by you. I've reinforced that point by including an excerpt from this dialogue alongside the image attribution.

I hope that my selection of the photograph as my user page image of choice can be taken as a compliment. Off the record, I feel that your wizened, kindly eyes command a respectability not so easily attained through words alone.

I am also satisfied, as described in the opening paragraph of this message, that you pose no direct threat to my physical well-being, and thus welcome any further queries or comments from you on my talk page.

Thanks once again, Yeanold Viskersenn (talk) 03:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category name change

You might want to get involved in this philatelic CfD. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 04:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emperor's name

Hi,

In the past you took part in a discussion about the name of the emperors of Japan. This discussion has just opened again (once again!). You are free to express your opinion here. ThanksŠvitrigaila (talk) 16:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Anthony Aston

Hi there. Yes, I figured it out pretty quick; I undid my CSD tag almost immediately. Because I was using Twinkle, it left this message on your page automatically. I suppose it's a good thing I found it, because the page had been completely vandalized for over a month. But, you are correct, I should look a little closer. I get into the groove of reverting vandalism and make some hasty moves occasionally. Thanks for the reminder! Tanthalas39 (talk) 23:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Cameroons 2d-600px.jpg

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[edit] Geocoding

Hey Stan, I just found your pic Image:Bridge_of_the_Americas.jpg and added approximate geocoding. Do you recall from wher you took it? Were you on boat? --Dschwen 00:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I was on a cruise ship. We were in the middle of the channel, at or past the marina, and approaching it on a course that seemed close to perpendicular to the bridge. I should upload my pics from beneath the bridge, looking up at the traffic... Stan (talk) 04:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Stamp Indoch Garnier-300px.jpg

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[edit] Interested?

I am working on a wikiproject, and I think you would be intereseted. User:Jourdy288/Wikiproject Aquatic Inverts Jourdy288 (talk) 01:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Marine park

Greetings. I am proposing a change to an article that you launched a long time ago on Marine park. Please see Talk:Marine park for my recommendation & would very much like to hear your thoughts. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 21:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CTC category

Hi Stan, I have no problem in you removing Category:Celebrate the Century stamps. I too saw many of the notices saying the FU rationale was misused on some of the stamps, when in fact it is misused on all of them. Regarding the CTC sheets, I have uploaded all of them and placed them in the gallery, since each of the sheet is briefly described. Hopefully that will not irk anyone, each sheet has its own unique images which is why I have uploaded all.--PremKudva^Talk 04:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it will irk someone. Seems to me that FU would be appropriate for one or two images in the Celebrate the Century article but not all sheets. Imho, that will not fly, so possibly it should be brought up at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content to see what the experts think. ww2censor (talk) 06:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see any reason to go looking for trouble - the "experts", such as they are, are still fighting it out. Might as well wait until the general rules are better sorted out. Stan (talk) 07:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You may well be right to leave it alone for now, but the using ALL the sheetlets is not fair use. It would be fair to use one or two. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 15:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Image:Cover Canada 1932 Rae air.jpg

I cropped the white frame. No information is lost since only removed the pure white chroma at #FFFFFF. User:Dorftrottel 14:19, February 8, 2008

Ah, that makes sense. I like to have a bit of border, in case the image gets packed in with others, but a white border doesn't work as well as the black that I use now. Stan (talk) 14:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Packed in with others? You mean like a collage? User:Dorftrottel 14:34, February 8, 2008

Not collage so much as general layout. Sounds a little silly when I write it down here, in practice everybody arranges for some space in between. My usual problem with covers is that they're not quite rectangular, I end up needing a border just to compensate. Stan (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I see. I for one do not like frames e.g. because for output-related purposes they have to be cropped anyway. There are two options, one of which I took here. The other would be to remove the white completely and save the image as a PNG with transparent background. If you prefer your original framed version, go ahead restore it, I will occasionally upload a cropped PNG version. (I decided to upload a cropped JPG because it's the easier option, and because there's still no valid PD rationale). User:Dorftrottel 14:50, February 8, 2008

[edit] Israel & Palestine philatelic articles

As the most senior philatelist on the philately project, you might want to weigh in on the discussion about the Israel and Palestine articles on a number of fronts. By way of background, initially HG started Postage stamps and postal history of Israel and Palestine and I started a talk page discussion suggesting this was an incorrect title and that there should be 2 individual country articles with some historical information in each, as is the usual way. Tiamut supports this position. I then started to pad out the Israeli article and this has been worked on mainly by HG who has also being working on the combined article he still insists is needed. In turn Tiamut has been the main editor working on the Palestine article and, in my opinion, rather well on the historical section. Now HG has expressed his concern about the scope of the Palestine article per this talk page posting. Hope you can get involved and give some clarity to this situation. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 04:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Tiamut and I both responded there. She made a compromise proposal. Let us know what you think. Ever insistently yours, HG | Talk 16:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on that the both of you. I really think its important that we get these articles up and running even if they are stubs. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 16:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Stan. I noticed your change at Image:HolyLand Austrian Post 1899 envelope stamp.jpg‎. Are you sure PD:stamp applies to a private envelope, and not just the stamp itself? Do you have precedents for this kind of thing? Also, what about proofs/essays for a stamp design that belong to the artist (but now sold in auction)? thanks muchly, pls reply to my talk if you don't mind, HG | Talk 13:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks about the Austrian cover. On the Category:Stamps of Israel, I looked at the Commons discussion and the Hebrew version of the law, which states that it's all free use, unconditionally. In any case, all the stamps have the same copyright status, so there's no need to create separate categories qualified by type of status. Catch my drift? Any info about my q above about the designer's prepatory artwork? Thanks HG | Talk 15:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Narrowing the envelope q. If I see other historically noteworthy envelopes, either at auction or web-history sites, up to what date may we claim PD-stamp do you think? I'm esp thinking about 1948 envelopes, postmarks, etc. Thanks. HG | Talk 15:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pakistani stamp images

Have a look at this discussion and see what we need to do to progress this, if we even can. I am not versed well enough to say this is ok or not. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 02:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Page rename request

Hi Stan. Will you please rename Postal history of Palestine to Postage stamps and postal history of Palestine per the discussion here because the contents does not fit the page name. We can't move it because Postage stamps and postal history of Palestine is already a redirect page. You can either delete Postal history of Palestine, or use it a redirect though I would prefer a deletion. TIA. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 15:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

So, did you comments on the rename indicate you will rename it or have you just been too busy to do it yet? ww2censor (talk) 17:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I've been "busy" (all day today in Death Valley admiring the spring bloom), and I would like to get at least partial buyin from HG if possible. Not a big hurry to rename, right? Stan (talk) 05:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice! Never been to Death Valley but would love to go. No hurry to the rename but HG had replies with the same reasoning as previously just before I asked you to rename, so whenever will do. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 15:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he just replied with basically the same old arguments he has used before. ww2censor (talk) 16:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Gee, I tried to write with as much sparkle as I could muster. If you (ww2) feel my arguments are old, you might want to consider how I might feel about yours. You are a fabulous editor and these put-downs are not becoming. Anyway, rather than discuss my reasons in a disparaging way, it would be more constructive to deal with the logic and policy factors. While I'd prefer to carry on the discussion there, let me briefly reiterate the logic: (a) if we want a Postage stamps and postal history of X title, then it would be unduly misleading and pov-imbalanced to have X = Palestine alone, (b) if we want a "Palestine" title (which I've been willing to concede for now, though it's my no means my first choice), then we should forgo the Postage stamps and postal history of X format,and I've tried to be flexible in offering various suggestions along those lines. While Ww2 may not like this reasoning and the associated options, it's not constructive or collaborative to keep insisting that the only possible title be PSPH of Palestine. (Incidentally, it's probably better procedure to ask for a Requested Move rather than ask Stan to use his admin authority to settle this. Still, I'm hoping we can work this out in a less contested way.) Thanks very much. HG | Talk 17:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't get the "'Palestine' not NPOV" argument myself, but I don't tend to get involved in the prolonged fights over the hidden meaning of every comma that seem to characterize Mideast-related articles, and I don't get why we have to forgo the most obvious titling - the logic just seems really tortured, and bears no resemblance to what I had in mind when I proposed the title standard in the first place. Stan (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stamp template

There has been some discussion about the size this template here, so I have done some work on a draft replacement (and removed most of the redlinks for now) on this sandbox page. Please tell me what you think. I have some issues that need fixing; the subgroup title boxes runs too wide in some subgroups. Are the subgroups even needed? Thanks ww2censor (talk) 15:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bureau of Engraving

Left a message at the commons for you. ww2censor (talk) 17:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photo request

I saw your name at Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Photographers. For spite house, please photograph the Virginia City Spite House. I believe that it is located on either C Street or D Street in Virginia City. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 01:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] California photo requests now by County

I just spent the past few days moving all the California photo requests into County categories to make it easier for photographers to locate requests in the locations where they take photos. Please consider monitoring and adding your name to the list at Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Riverside County, California and the other South East California counties. GregManninLB (talk) 21:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mass philatelic deletion

While going through the assessment log recently I noticed a mass deletion of 30+ philatelic topical lists. I would appreciate if you would express your opinion on the deleting admins talk page. All appropriate and necessary related links are there. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 23:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of image from Polio vaccine

Mr. Shebs,

I would appreciate a more complete explanation of your rationale for removing of the stamp image Image:Stamp-ctc-polio-vaccine.jpg from Polio vaccine. You had indicated "pointless stamp image used decoratively" as your rationale. You are obviously knowledgeable about stamp collecting. You have also demonstrated care and thoughtfulness in your edits. In the spirit of improving the article, I am seeking a better understanding of how you believe this improves the article rather than a defense of your edit.

I am disinclined to revert your edit, since it is clear you intended the edit to improve the article. I generally only remove vandalism or make minor corrections to polio related articles, since I contracted polio at the age of eight months and may have a conflict of interest.

I believe the image is appropriate since it shows the use of the killed virus Jonas Salk developed vaccine. Further down in the article, there is another image showing the use of the oral Albert Sabin developed vaccine. The stamp image has the caption "polio medicine developed" which I believe makes it germane.

Sincerely,
--Dan Dassow (talk) 13:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The use of stamps that are not public domain may only be used under the fair-use principles if the stamp itself is the topic of the article and not the subject of the stamp, which would be the case with this stamp in the Polio vaccine article. You are trying to use the subject of a non-PD stamp by way of illustrating the article and that is not allowed. Read these guidelines. Besides which this image does not even have a fair-use rationale right now and it likely be deleted soon. Hope that helps. Maybe Stan will add more later. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 15:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I already added a comment to his talk page. There's gotta be a hundred contemporaneous photos taken by the US govt that would be better illustrations, plus there's the 1957 polio stamp if one wants a PD stamp image. Stan (talk) 17:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Stan, thank you for your thoughful comments at User_talk:Dan_Dassow#Polio_vaccine_stamp concerning this issue. I now have a much better understanding why the image is inappropriate. I was also under the mistaken impression that the removed stamp depicted Jonas Salk administering the vaccine, not a random doctor with a random child. --Dan Dassow (talk) 21:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Federal Duck Stamps

Thank you for the information about my changes to the Federal Duck Stamps article. My father is the owner of Sam Houston Duck Company, where I am an employee. He asked that we reproduce his written article to replace and expand on the previous Wikipedia article. I have updated my user page as you instructed. Please let me know if I need to add more information.

Thank you for your help.
SnowBunny729 (talk) 18:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Block of TheEditrix2

I know that it's already expired at this point, but I wanted to express a concern about your block of TheEditrix2 (talk · contribs) earlier today. As near as I can tell, there was no warning to her talkpage. The last comment to her page was on April 17, and then the next note was today, when you told her that she'd been blocked for 3 hours.[2] Per WP:BLOCK#Education and warnings, a cautionary note is recommended unless there's an urgent problem. I'm also a bit concerned about your "uninvolved" status, since you're a member of WP:PLANTS. Then again, WP:UNINVOLVED only goes so far, especially for an editor such as yourself who is involved in so many topics!  :) Now, I do agree that there are things to be concerned about as regards TheEditrix2's editing, especially the note on her userpage. But she's been a longtime editor with over a thousand edits, who routinely does rapid-fire work without much complaint. Surely a caution would have been more appropriate than a block? Or are there other circumstances or communications that I am unaware of? --Elonka 07:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that my first impression of TheEditrix2 was negative, based on that userpage message. In fact, without even knowing about the Plants controversy (my attention was drawn to the page for another reason), I was all ready to write out a big civility warning, I had it previewed and everything, and then I stopped right before I hit "Save", and decided to check if there had been other warnings before mine. It was then that I saw the recent chatter, and started digging. The more I dug, the more I realized that TheEditrix2 was a longrunning gnome who, though not the most friendly and welcoming in the project, was overall a good editor who had been misjudged.

If I were in your shoes, I probably would have checked recent talkpage activity, seen that there hadn't been anything for a week, and then posted a short "warning shot across the bow" message, like, "Please stop with your current page moves, there are concerns (I'm typing a longer message, please stand by)", and then I would have saved that so she got the "new message" banner, and then I'd work on my longer message in a text editor. By the time my new message was ready, I'd check to see if she'd stopped or not. If yes, then we continue talking like adults. If not, I'd throw in a 15-minute block and then proceed with my longer message. :)

As for her userpage threat, I've actually dealt with users like that before. The rule of thumb is, "Ignore it." Talkpages belong to the community, not to the editor. If someone needs to communicate in a good faith fashion with the editor, they have the right to post to that editor's talkpage, even if the disruptive editor has "forbidden" anyone to post there.  ;) I see it sort of like a teenager who's posted a big DO NOT ENTER sign on their bedroom door. They can definitely put the sign up, but that's not going to keep the parents out.  ;)

My reason for spotting the page, was that I'm a member of the ArbCom-appointed working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars, and have been examining many of Wikipedia's dispute resolution procedures lately. I rewrote a good chunk of WP:DE, and am running an experiment at User:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment to try and deal with a lot of disruption there (check the talkpage for a list of literally dozens of recent ANI threads). It was through the experiment page that I learned about TheEditrix2... I was routinely scanning the contribs of one of "my" slavic/slovak editors, Svetovid (talk · contribs), who just came off his own disruption block, so I was checking to see if he was behaving. I saw that he had posted on TheEditrix2's talkpage, went in to investigate, and well, you know the rest!  :) --Elonka 12:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

"There's simply no excuse for someone with thousands of edits not to know about page moves, article history, multiple redirects, project standards, etc. Not only am I not apologetic, I'm troubled to find anyone defending the bad behavior."[3] Um, wow, I'm troubled to hear you say that. Are you sure you want to take this stand? Based on my view, you're coming down on an editor now, for a leftover message on their talkpage from 2006. Why are you seeing her as so disruptive? I'm not seeing the same thing in her contribs as you are? What "bad behavior"?? --Elonka 12:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

To be clear, I'm not asking you to resign over this, I'm asking you to acknowledge the concerns, and possibly apologize. Or let me put it this way: If the same thing happened again, would you handle it the same way? Or would you warn first? --Elonka 15:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DDR stamps

I noted that you say that DDR stamps are PD. Do you have a source for this? What's more, the image itself comes from a website that has edited the picture (see the little label in the corner); doesn't this make it copyrighted? I don't know a ton about this, so feel free to think me ignorant :-) Nyttend (talk) 17:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! Are you an APS member? If not (or if so, I suppose :-), check out their StampStore; most listings come with decently good pictures. A random example, here, is Scott 1224a, which I can't find on Commons. Nyttend (talk) 01:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I actually got the idea because I've assembled a significant "collection" of US stamp scans, in large part because of the StampStore. An even better source for US material is 1847USA, which has high-resolution scans of almost every design issued until 1970; many (but not all) are unused. Nyttend (talk) 23:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Erysimum

Hi there. I am looking at some of the stuff about Cheiranthus and I can foresee a time in which if I decide to try to clean that up that I might want to move Wallflower back to Erysimum which will undo something that you did in 2003. I would like to know (before I become involved with all of that) what you might or will think about such a move. Thank you for your time. -- carol (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

2003 was a long while ago -- perhaps there are many other similar (for lack of a different word that works as well) 'things' that were good to get started but experience has shown to be more advantageous done a different way. Enough with the musing, I left this in answer to your polite and reasonably timely reply on my talk page:

The way I know to do this is to delete the page Erysimum and then move Wallflower there and then send the redirection of Wallflower to Wallflower (disambiguation). If you put the delete template on Erysimum there is a good possibility that it will be deleted quickly (something about a request by the person who made the article....) Or, there might be another way.... -- carol (talk) 18:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Have a look please

Please have a look at the Rare 2d Coil stamp draft before I put it into the mainspace. Any comments welcome. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Malawi-related articles

Please see Talk:List of Malawi-related articles for a comment I'd like your input on. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of guidebooks about the Sierra Nevada listed at AFD

If you wish, please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of guidebooks about the Sierra Nevada. Thanks! hike395 (talk) 04:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)