Talk:List of Mega Man characters

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• The RockMan/Mega Man Killers - The RKNxxx series. The title assigned to the exclusive bosses that appears in each of the Game Boy installments of the series (the RockMan World series in Japan). Each of the robots are named musical genres, much like RockMan was in the Japanese version of the series. Enker (RKN #001) was lance-wielding robot who absorbed Mega Man's attacks with it in Mega Man (GB). Punk (RKN #002), from Mega Man III (GB), is a mohawked-robot with spikes on him. Ballade (RKN #003), the last of the Killers, appeared in Mega Man IV (GB). Also part of this group, but not designated as a Mega Man Killer, is Quint, an unarmed Rock stolen from 37 years in the future who rode on a pogo stick in Mega Man II (GB). All four of the Mega Man Killers made appearances in Mega Man V (GB).

This entry was removed from the article - these are minor characters (arguably, the Support Mecha are as well). Its relevant content will resurface in Robot Master.

The Dark Man entry was deleted entirely, as Dark Man makes only one appearance and is never mentioned in later games. --Boco XLVII 22:15, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Roll=Playable Character 2 Kalinka 3 Merge 4 VAs? 5 Dr. Wily 6 Splitting The Articles

[edit] Roll=Playable Character

Shouldn't Roll be put in the playable character column due to the fact that she is playable in the PSP remake of Megaman 1?Gamloverks 16:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kalinka

Shouldn't Kalinka be mentioned? Shouldn't she get her own minor article on this page? The link regarding Kalinka on this page simply redirects the reader to Mega Man 4. BassxForte 01:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm...not really. Kalinka only showed up in Mega Man 4, and even that was only a slightly more-than-minor role. Sure, she might have reappeared in Anniversary Collection's version as a Navigator, but no other mentions of her were made in the following games or their backstories. That is completely different from even her dad. Sure, Dr. Cossack might've had minor roles as of late, but at least he's a (mostly) recurring character. ChromeWulf ZX 21:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Kalinka and Cossack are playable characters in Wily & Right no RockBoard: That's Paradise. --201.36.253.70 13:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Even so, Kalinka isn't really that important in the long run. ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 03:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

All of the characters besides Mega Man do not assert notability. They either need real world information or they need to be merged. If there are no ways presented that show the possibility for sources, they will be merged here in a few weeks. TTN (talk) 16:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

So the main villain of almost every Mega Man game isn't notable? Practically, I mean, please don't cite a Wikipedia policy page. Scumbag (talk) 19:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The notability in the series is different than notability on Wikipedia. This site requires that topics are presented from a real world perspective, which requires these to also follow that. TTN (talk) 19:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Please answer my question in the manner I requested, please. I would like to know why you would consider merging the main villain of the series into the main article of the series. I eagerly await your response, and early await you requesting Sauron be merged into Lord of the Rings or Darth Vader being merged into Star Wars, or any other number of fictional villains retaining their own articles. Scumbag (talk) 22:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to ignore the site's standards. If this were Wikia, all characters could freely have articles, but again, this site has its own set of standards. Darth Vader meets those by being a good article, and the other seems to be asserting improvement, though it isn't too great looking. TTN (talk) 22:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

So basically, you have no proper reason why Dr Wily should be merged into the Mega Man article? Thanks for clearing it up. I was merely curious. Scumbag (talk) 07:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

The Characters have to establish notability in the real world, like having articles in gaming magazines noting how they were created, what were early designs, what encyclopedic content can justify them having their own page. As non of Mega mans villian can have that said about them, they should be merged into one article in the hope that all the Characters of Megaman may together have enough notability. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

There are a goodly number of different and unique Sniper Joe and Met units, as their article states. While I agree it would be silly to have articles for each and every enemy, a specific type of enemy that's part of an organization such as Sniper Joes or Mets is just as valid as any other type of organization article. It just wouldn't be very "encyclopedia-like" if someone said "There are many different types of Sniper Joes" without having something to back that point with, if you ask me. And no, I'm not just saying this because I've worked on the articles so much. I'm very serious when I say that this "organization" as just as much right to be on Wikipedia as, say...the Los Angeles Dodgers, or a list of different types of cartoons, or something. That aside, we went over this last year, I believe, and the vote failed then for the exact reasons I'm stating.
Oh, and on the subject of "having articles in gaming magazines noting how they were created, etc. etc.", there've been plenty of (Japan-only) books regarding the Rockman series and its characters. The Sniper Joe units and Mets, for example, have had a number of pages in varying books. Should you need something a little more "solid" to examine regarding this article, however, here you are. Page 086 from the Rockman & Rockman X Illustrated Reference Book information compendium (ISBN-10: 4062590069), released in late 1994, is a page devoted to the Sniper Joe units. I believe Page 085 is devoted to the Mets. I doubt you'd be able to make heads-or-tails of it regardless, though, given that everything I've linked to you is in Japanese, but there you go anyway. ~ Joseph Collins [U|T|C] 10:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

May I remove the {{merge}} templates fom the pages in question now? Not to toot my own horn, but it seems like no one has anything to contest my claims, so I kind of figure the case is closed. o.o ~ Joseph Collins [U|T|C] 08:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

This article will give a general description with a couple of examples. Describing every enemy falls under game guide material. The above page does not look like it will provide information necessary to keep the articles, so that doesn't really help. As it stands, they fail the guidelines, so there they will still be merged. TTN 19:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

HA! See, I know what the problem is. The problem is is that you're pressuring these guys too much, and using the rules as THREATS against articles rather than just using them to help them out. Jeez, it's no wonder alot of people hate Wikipedia for what WE'RE doin' to it. If no one reachs a consensus with your methods TTN, then you should have NO business bothering these articles for now, don't you think? COMMON SENSE, MAN! >:3 ZeroGiga 01:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright. I notice you went ahead and merged a number of character articles and whatnot. I have four words and a acronym for you.
"START A VOTE OR GTFO" ~ Joseph Collins [U|T|C] 10:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Some might consider that last remark uncivil—there's no need to resort to that. In any event, here at Wikipedia we don't determine issues like this with a vote. We use consensus and discussion. Above all, we follow our core policies, such as Wikipedia:Notability, and appropriate guidelines, such as Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction). Pagrashtak 20:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I'm not seeing part of the discussion here, but there seems to be ample proof for real world sources of Mettaurs and Sniper Joes, what with the reference books.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 23:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The reference book does not establish real world notability. It still only offers information in the subject's fictional universe. Ergo, the articles do not satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) and should be summarily merged into this article, unless valid secondary sources can be shown to demonstrate notability. In any case to User:Joseph Collins, your comments are rather uncouth, and are not needed for necessary here. This is not a message board for your convenience; it is an encyclopedia run by civil discussion. Unless you can prove that the articles merged by TTN do satisfy the current notability guidelines, then you have no recourse other than to accept his decision. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 00:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, okay, whatever. I tried. I failed. Good game, guys. Good game. ~ Joseph Collins [U|T|C] 05:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VAs?

Since most of the former "main" characters have been redirected/merged into this page, shouldn't we start listing the VAs like in the List of Mega Man X characters article? ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 20:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dr. Wily

I would have to argue that Dr. Wily really deserves his own dedicated page. He's had two games named after him, and has appeared on at least 20 games in the classic series, at least 3 in the Battle Network series, and numerous cameos in other Mega Man games. He's been featured prominently in a cartoon, anime, several movies, and countless mangas. He's not just some minor character, he's the lead villain, and arguably one of the most well known villains in video games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.86.178 (talk) 19:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting The Articles

As you can see from the top of the page, the merge is not a result of the consensus of editors, but of TTN's OWN decision and not giving a damn about anyone elses. I suggest we split some of the articles, such as Dr. Wily and Dr. Light, since they play a role outside of the classic game series, as well as to put an end to TTN's disruptive hold on this page. ZeroGiga (talk) 05:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright. We could start with Dr. Wily first. How about it? ZeroGiga (talk) 06:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)