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Contents 1 Global perspective 2 WikiProject Law Enforcement Barnstar Proposal Poll 3 Thank you 4 Nicholas Street Gaol 5 Edmund Ironsides 6 Brampton Jail - nice article

[edit] Global perspective

Discussion can be found at Talk:Prisoner transport. --Jeff Johnston (talk) 14:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Law Enforcement Barnstar Proposal Poll

--Mifter (talk) 20:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

for your support on the SAMM issue. Cgoodwin (talk) 06:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nicholas Street Gaol

• I would suggest not that a 'former' prison is less encyclopedic than what the building is actually used for today, but that a standard is not being followed here. It isn't as if Skydome is still named as such here WP. The article should be renamed to its current title as the existing description is misleading. It hasn't been a prison for decades. The fact that the building was once a prison is in fact less relevant as it betrays the idea of what the encyclopedia is all about. Currently, the focus should remain on its current use. I'll seek an independent admin viewpoint on this one. Also, the infobox is wrong. it's not a prison, anymore. TravelJournalNetwork (talk) 00:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• The problem is now there are two articles - I bet someone else suggests a merge. I'd like to side with the idea that an encyclopedia like this can fit many different articles...Good luck with your project! TravelJournalNetwork (talk) 02:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edmund Ironsides

The History of the Anglo Saxons (1823) states Edmund was assassinated [1] Britannica states he "probably" died of natural causes, but nothing as difinitive as you are insinuating. Do you have other sources? NJGW (talk) 15:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

All reputable sources indicate that he simply dies or "probably died of natural causes". No reputable sources indicate that he was killed with a poker/sword, etc. There were some rumours of assassination by smothering or strangulation (which may account for the "probably" caveat), but they are unsubstantiated and excluded from reputable articles. There also seems to be some confusion between Edmund II and Edward II in numerous articles found on the internet, the latter having had a red-hot poker inserted into his anus. Unless a reputable source will support the legend/rumour/myth of the sword in the anus, it should be excluded. We could leave in reference to the assassination theory, however.--JeffJ (talk) 15:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The History of the Anglo Saxons doesn't state unequivocally that he was assassinated, but does speak to several conflicting accounts that suggest that he might have been. Certainly there is enough there to mention the assassination theory with the same weight as the natural-causes theory. My main concern here was Edmund's mention in the Unusual deaths article.--JeffJ (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the assassination ref needs to be in there (as with the ref to the rumors you mention, appropriately qualified) because I see that the latrine story has been inserted many times over the life of the article. If you write-up what you're saying above with the sources you are referring to, it may put a stop to the reinsertions. NJGW (talk) 16:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I was just about to add the assassination to Edmund II's article when I realized that the reference in the History of the Anglo Saxons is to the assassination of Edmund I (Edmund the Elder). So we are back to where we started... just "died" or "probably"...--JeffJ (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

"The brave Edmund did not long survive the pacification. He perished the same year. The circumstances attending his assassination are variously given. Malmsbury mentions that two of his chamberlains were seduced by Edric to wound him at a most private moment with an iron hook but he states this to be only rumour. The king's violent death and its author are less reservedly avowed by others. The northern accounts go even farther. The Knytlinga Saga and Saxo carry up the crime as high as Canute. They expressly state that Edric was corrupted Canute to assassinate Edmund." - The History of the Anglo-Saxons from the Earliest Period to the Norman Conquest By Sharon Turner

It's like trying to sort out my family's genealogy; Everyone has the same name. So lets go with your last reference then. :-) --JeffJ (talk) 17:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Brampton Jail - nice article

Hello, I just marked your new article on the Brampton Jail as page patrolled -- and I wanted to take a minute to say that it was an interesting and very well written piece. Kudos on a job well done! Ecoleetage (talk) 20:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is the possibility of building the article further for WP:GA or WP:FA status. Say, have you considered entering this in the WP:DYK? If you were, however, you should add references to the article, which I believe is lacking at the moment. Cheers! Ecoleetage (talk) 20:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I plan to flesh out my stubs in the future. My mission right now is to get the articles started so that others with more knowledge (or free time) will be encouraged to build on them. I'm also a bit of a rookie, so any help or advise is always appreciated. I thought about creating a reflist for the Brampton Jail article, but listed "Sources" instead, as I used bits and pieces from each throughout. This article has a little more that some of my other stubs, simply because there were more interesting sources available.--JeffJ (talk) 20:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

A reflist is usually the way to go. If you want, let me see if I can expand this piece a bit. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 20:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I already started. You've inspired me. But feel free to wade in!--JeffJ (talk) 20:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello! I’ve sliced and diced the references in your article and submitted it for WP:DYK consideration (see here: [[2]]). You did a fine job with the article, and a job well done deserves praise:

		The Special Barnstar
		For your excellent work on the Brampton Jail article Ecoleetage (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Cheers! 21:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure! Keep up the great work -- I'll be on the watch for your future articles. And let me know if you win a DYK honour for this piece. Cheers! Ecoleetage (talk) 21:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)