Talk:Judaism
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[change] Important Message
It is spelled J U D I S M, without the A originally. It's mispelled same way as calling atheists "atheaists".
OK, where did this beginning come from!? --213.213.151.137 17:56, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It's the reverse- "Judism" is a misspelling of "Judaism". - Anonymous
[change] Famous Jews
there are tons of famous Jews compared to that dweeny lil' list you made, they couldn't even fit on there! -Hailey
interesting how yigal amir is a famous jew but Yitzchak Rabin doesnt get his own listing
Is it helpful to have this section anyway? I am not sure how to write a NPOV list of Famous People, unless we have an objective way of measuring fame. (Just nigel 06:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
[change] Suggested additions/revisions
I wanted to check these suggestions with others before making them.
Under the section on Messiah the phrase "but so far, no one has done those things" is not NPOV. Many poeple in the world do beleive people have fulfilled or are fullfilling the criteria of Messiah (eg Jesus of Nazareth)
The section on Jewish Lifecycle describes a Jewish male lifecycle and then relegates a female s lifecycle to the notes that follow. This should be changed, so a woman's experience isn't just described in how it deviates from a (normal?) male expereince.
The role of temples and synagogues is briefly mentioned under Shabbat but not under the History. I think it would be worth mentioning them here too.
Sorts of Judaism should probably say that these division reflect Judaism today. Other distinctions would have been made in the past.
More on History: I suggest we say something about the relationship between Judaism and Christianity. We could mention this when we talk about the Roman destruction of Jerusalem since it played a role in cementing divisions between the early followers of Jesus and other Jews, resulting in Christianity becoming considered by most a separate religion today.
The sentence "Many Arab and Muslim people who lived in this part of the world were angry..." seems strange. I am confused if it intends to say the angry people were both Arab and Muslim or it is describing two groups. But either way people (even people in the region) did not need to be Arab or Muslim to be angry about this.
How about also mentioning the relationship between Judaism and Islam? (Just nigel 06:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
Revieing the section on the recent history of Israel, I notice a complication. Since the creation of the country of Israel, 'Jewish' can now refer to not only a religion, and an ethnic group but once again a national group. Obviously one person can be in all three groups but that is not always the case. We say early in this article that Jewish can be a religious group and an ethnic group and that this article is mostly about the religious group. How much do we say about the contemporary nation of Israel, including the controversy over its boarders, without losing track of the religious focus of this article?? (Just nigel 04:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC))
- I thought that the word for someone from Israel was "Israeli", not "Jewish". - Richfife 04:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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- This isn't the article Jewish, it's the article Judaism, ie, the article about the religion. We shouldn't even have to say something like "the rest of this article will talk about the religion". Blockinblox 13:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Okay, I see now that Jewish redirects here, but it could just as well be made into an article about the ethnic group, as opposed to this article Judaism about the religion. Blockinblox 13:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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- I have just now redirected Jewish to point to Jew instead of here, since Jewish, like Jew, can refer to the ethnic group as well as the religion. Blockinblox 13:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[change] Names of God
kol ma shekatuv be"Names of God" ze shtuyot!
"elohim" (אלוהים) ze ribuy shel "eloha" (אלוה) veze omer shehu meuchad aval lo yachid, ledaati tzarich lasim sham kishur laerech shemot shel elohim bayahadut velimchok et hatat nose mikan!
Imanuel o 14:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
[change] Pronunciation
I am baffled that so many people pronounce this word "Judy-ism". First, Jews do not worship anyone or anything named "Judy". Second, the word derives from the kingdom of Judah, which descended from the tribe of Judah. So, it should be pronounced more like "Judah-ism". Finally, We can all agree that the "J-U-D" gives the "Jewd" sound; and that the "I-S-M" gives the "ism" sound. All that is left is the "A". Now why would a person pronounce that as "EE"? We are left with either "Judah-ism", or "Jud-ay-ism", or even more simply as a previous subscriber suggested: "Judism".
[change] Bias
The article has a non-Jewish liberal bias. The liberals want to label Judaism a religion when it is not. While they might have succeeded in fooling some people. The people who keep Judaism today will tell you clearly it is not a religion in the liberal sense of the word. Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz defines it as a "family culture with religious ideas" in his book We Jews. I could go on... 203.217.76.205 14:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- The english Wikipedia defines Judaism as "the religion of the Jewish people". That is the phrase that we will use. Please don't go around claiming that the writers of this article are non-Jewish liberals. Wikipedia tries to keep a neutral point of view, so the article should not sound like a Jewish point of view pusher wrote it. Rather, the article should simply state the facts and let the reader decide on his or her opinion. PTO 17:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The bias that was on this page towards the reform movement is terrible - they themselves admit that their version of Judaism is not valid, it's just a way for them to continue to call themselves Jews while foregoing every Jewish value. Plus, isn't it strange that there was absolutely no mention of the Talmud before I added it? it's a basic Jewish text! even conservatives use it..when they're not ordaining homosexuals that is.
