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[edytuj] Serbo-Croatian language

Dobra večer. Someone pointed to me, that your editions are controversial. Expamples: there is no reason for me to delete a serbian name from Dalmacja, there was also no reason for changing the number of Serbo-Croatian speakers from 21 Mil to 30.000 as the definition of "Serbo-Croatian" is contriversial, which is IMO clearly described in the article. Deleting links like [[Język serbsko-chorwacki|Diasystem serbsko-chorwacki]] does not make to much good as well. I apologise for any mistakes in my English, as I haven't used it for some time. Regards, Catz 01:37, 3 wrz 2006 (CEST)

[edytuj] Serbo-Croatian language

Catz, where did you pulled out "21 million speakers" of so-called "Serbo-Croatian language"?
No Croat called his mother tongue "Serbo-Croatian", neither declared it as such.
Neither while socialist Yugoslavia existed, 1943.-1991..
From that point, the data in the article is not correct, even politically colored.
"Hrvatski ili srpski jezik" ("Croat or Serb language"), as it was officially called during most of the time in socialist Yugoslavia, was never the same as "srpskohrvatski" ("Serbocroat language") or "srpski ili hrvatski jezik" ("Serb or Croat language").
The name of the official language in Croatia was changed from "Croat or Serb" into "Croat language" (better translation than "Croatian language", because it refers to Croats, not Croatia), "hrvatski jezik" after political changes in 1990, while Yugoslavia still existed.
Possibly the name of the language was also called "hrvatski" in early 1970's (I'm 99% sure, but I'll check this, with some luck, I'll find links), around "Croatian spring", before it was suffocated in political prosecutions, with many Croat cultural organizations forcibly shut/closed and many Croat artists, scientists and political leaders imprisoned). See "Declaration on the name and position of Croat language" (Deklaracija o nazivu i položaju hrvatskog jezika) from late 1960's. (interesting, no Serb organizations complained on position of Serb language in Yugoslavia).
However, that "Croat or Serb language" is in fact Croat language, but without few hundred Croat words that were proscribed, banned or very unsafe to use (!!, e.g. "izvješće") and with more internationalisms (with forced tendency to import more) than Croat language has (Croat language tends to creat its own translations, as much as possible, like Czech, German, Hungarian..., unlike Serb language, that tends to import foreign words). This forced change of nature of Croat language was part of policy that intended by use of force to keep Croat language of getting even more away from Serb language and to stop any further evolution of Croat, that would make him more unintelligible for Serbs. Currently, on the internet, there are no digital forms (no scans to image forms, no pdf, no html, no text form) of court decisions from times of Yugoslavia, in which persons were penalized because of use of pure Croat words. When that appears on the Net, I'll gladly put the links here. You won't believe me, unless I put that here, I know. You don't know what was going on here in Croatia during those times.
"Serbocroat language" ("srpskohrvatski") is in fact, Serb language.
Official policy of socialist Yugoslavia was "unity of language of Croats and Serbs", so languagenames contained both Croat and Serb name. Insisting on differences and different names of these two languages was politically dangerous, especially for Croats (see above "Declaration...").
Because of these reasons, the name "Serbo-Croatian" has negative political conotations, scientifically is uncorrect, and insulting for Croats. So, in recent scientific literature, the term "Central South Slavic diasystem" (središnji južnoslavenski dijasustav) is in use, to comprehend all, more or less mutually intelligible standard languages of South Slavs: Croat, Serb, Bosniac, Montenegrin.
BTW, who pointed out that my editions are controversial? Check your sources. Are they "controversial"? Kubura 01:14, 11 wrz 2006 (CEST)

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Na poljskoj Wikipediji pišemo na poljskom jeziku. Ne znaš pisati poljski. Zato, molim Te, ne piši u člankima na poljskoj Wikipediji. Treba popravljati svaku Tvoju promjenu. Hvala. Lijep pozdrav! :-) Boraczek 20:34, 25 sie 2006 (CEST)

Hi! I have noticed that you have problems with writing in Polish correctly, so maybe you should consider to ask someone to correct your spelling and grammar. Try browsing the User_ort category: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:User_ort (Cześć! Zauważyłem, że masz problemy z poprawnym pisaniem po polsku. Rozważ proszę, czy nie powinieneś poprosić kogoś o korektę ortograficzną i gramatyczną tego, co napiszesz. Spróbuj przejrzeć kategorię User_ort). Best regards. Amigo7 14:40, 3 wrz 2006 (CEST)


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