Talk:Yellow journalism
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Yellow journalism was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: May 1, 2007 |
[edit] Alive
Yellow Journlism is still very much alive like the U.S.S Maine being blamed on the Spanish, Mohamed Al le was automatically blamed for the Two Towers.
- Wouldnt you say that[Fox News]engage in Yellow journalism?
This page doesn't seem very NPOV to me... Especially the use of the word misnomer. Perhaps euphemism would be a better term? Supersheep 13:43, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
whoever wrote the portion about Fox News Channel is delusional, as long as they leave out the entirety of the rest of mainstream media, and their obnoxious liberal biases. Simply ludicrous.
IF you are going to mention Fox, THEN you should also mention CBS and RatherGate. If you are NOT going to mention CBS, then you should NOT mention Fox. Anything else would seem to me to be a violation of NPOV. N0YKG 9 May 2005 17:20 UTC
[edit] FOX News viewers see FOX as inclusive of the liberal point of view?
"FOX News viewers, on the other hand, see FOX as inclusive of both points of view, liberal and conservative, and as a healthy alternative to other channels."
Don't FOX News viewers generally watch FOX so that they don't have to listen to the liberal point of view? I don't think many FOX viewers would really agree that the channel offers a liberal point of view... Rather provide a NPOV by just saying what the next paragraph says -- something like:
"FOX News viewers, on the other hand, argue that FOX's coverage is impartial and that the coverage of other so-called 'mainstream' networks is liberally slanted." Yes? No? Rossvdlinde 1 July 2005 17:54 (UTC)
Agreed. Someone challange the Netural POV. I made some minor changes so it reads "Some FOX News viewers..."
Please revert due to vandalism efforts. Pan 19:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] FOX is the Perfect Example...
Is there any wonder why it was the first 'news' station mentioned?
FOX is the epitome of Yellow Journalism. Read the first page definition of Yellow Journalism right here on WIkipedia. ""Yellow journalism" may for example refer to sensationalized news reporting that bears only a superficial resemblance to journalism." Regardless of whether or not you consider yourself conservative, liberal, progressive, or evangelical right wing nut, it is obvious that FOX is totally sensationalized pseudo-journalism. Is it really necessary to site specific examples of this? Not even the blind could miss the voices of the announcers who immediately cut off anyone who does not implicitly agree with FOX's conservative bias. Sure CNN and CBS are getting more and more the same as FOX, but that is more because they are letting the market lead their journalistic integrity down the hole along with FOX. It is sad that people would rather watch narrow minded partisan hacks rather than get the simple facts of a story and make up their minds on their own. It is as if Americans enjoy their freedom, as long as they are told exactly what they can and cannot think or do.
this article explaines that the world should express the featers of how the world use to be
[edit] RAI Fallujah Documentary is the perfect example...
All flash, no substance. Bodies, bodies, bodies, and testimony from questionable sources. Very little fact.--BohicaTwentyTwo 20:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hurricane Katrina
This would be PERFECT for this article. Such as baby rape, gang shootings inside superdome, and exaggeration or downright false reports made by CNN/NBC/CBS/other liberal media. JONJONAUG 21:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- No -- the media correctly reported what local officials were saying. The media did not invent the horrors--it was later discovered the local mayor & police chief invented the false news. Rjensen 21
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- 39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fox News deserves mention.
In response to the previous poster, Fox News deserves mention. Unlike "RatherGate", which was an isolated event perpetrated by Rather himself, Fox News is an entire network that spins news stories to benefit the GOP. Not only does Fox News not have any of their own journalist, the network is owned and operated by Rupert Murdoch, who is well known as a staunch supporter of the Republican party.
All Fox does is take news stories off the AP wire and spin them to shed the GOP is a favorable light. Often they take gross liberties with the facts and rarely if ever offer corrections for mistakes they made, especially if it involves in any way making the GOP look bad. --Dino213aa 17:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Movie casts?
What do the various casts of movies (especially who plays a serial killer that is himself in now way connected to the topic) have to do with yellow journalism?
[edit] Origin of the phrase
Where does the term come from? I've heard that the term comes from a 1890's comic strip character (thanks to Trivial Pursuit), but I haven't heard that anywhere else.
- Professor Suman supports this claim in his lectures on the history of mass media here at UCLA. The comic in question was 'Hogan's Alley' which had a character known as the Yellow Kid. I don't know much more than that sadly. (FossaFerox 04:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC))
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- The Hearst-Pulitzer squabble about the Yellow Kid comic strip coincided with the Spanish American War sensationalism and what one editor called a fascination with "crime, underwear and pseudoscience"... so the "Yellow Kid papers" with the comics became "yellow journalism" to critics at the more serious newspapers. Good book: The Yellow Kids by Joyce Milton (1989), mostly about war coverage at the turn of the (previous) century but good section on the Kid too. (oops, where's that password.)
My father was a journalist and told me that the term "yellow journalism" originated from the cheap newsprint used by the downmarket papers employing yellow journalism, which went yellow much more quickly than higher grade newsprint. Does anyone have any information on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plerdsus (talk • contribs) 22:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Currency
I moved down the "Currency" paragraphs, which appear to be off topic and/or garbled to the point that I'm giving up.
there are some interesting points there... i was thinking it might work better as more of a "current events" section. in particular i thought this could use a cite to judith miller perhaps, it took me a second to understand what they were saying: Well-established institutions such as the New York Times are often leading purveyors of disinformation, especially when the U.S. government is anxious to gain support for aggression abroad or repressive policies at home.
also, i was looking at this page hoping to find info about fcc guidelines that might have come as a response. is there an existing page that seems relevant? Uncleosbert 21:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Remove POV
I took out the Fox News portion, and rewrote parts of the stuff on the bottom. I don't hold a torch for Fox News, but any praise or criticism directed at that channel could be directed to any number of outlets on the media spectrum, and to cite them in an article about "Yellow Journalism" (a problematic term in any event) is not NPOV.
There was also a portion rehashing that tired old cliche about television journalists being airheads compared to their print counterparts. As I noted, if you can't bring home the reporting(Peter Jennings in the 60s, though he got a lot better; Connie Chung in the 90s), you go down fast.--Idols of Mud 19:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] More history
I also expanded the history of yellow journalism to focus on Hearst and Pulitzer. Some of the stuff in the top I moved down to the currency section, and I adjusted the size of the images.--Idols of Mud 23:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New York Press reference
Interesting note here about the New York Press coining the term "yellow journalism" -- do we have a reference?--Idols of Mud 13:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Never mind -- I found it. Thanks. Good addition.--Idols of Mud 13:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Current vandalism
The current revision of this page has been extensively vandalized, including references to "Lines of Little Suicide Bombers" and living conditions in heat during "cold waves". 76.176.31.101 17:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism cleaned
Reverted to 23 March 2007 version, and added Journalism portal link.
Chelmar
[edit] Weasel in currency
- "Some claim that a Fox News internal memo uncovered in late 2006 reveals evidence of that organization's bias in favor of the Republican Party."
Who are these some, and what was in the memo? If there are no objections I would like to remove this statement, as it does little to support the main argument of the paragraph (which is simply making a distinction between yellow journalism and media bias). If there is a good reason to keep the information, it needs to be clarified with proper citations.
I can't resist pointing out the irony of having weasel terms in a page about yellow journalism. Robnpov 23:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Failing GAN
I am hereby failing this article as a Good Article Nominee by means of "quick failing". The fact that two sections of the article are completely unreferenced and one carries a "neutrality" tag (while in fact both can be tagged with a few more), is enough.
That said, I would like to expand a bit more on the article in general - this kind of article can describe either a concept or a phenomenon - while the lead section and the last two sections try to purport "yellow journalism" is a concept (without much going for it, due to the lack of references), the history section deals with it as a historic phenomenon. While an entertaining read, the mid section is full of statements bordering POV and in general, being a good piece of writing, is hardly encyclopedic. It is a story of two newspapers and, in part, their owners during a certain period - much information contained therein could just as well go into articles on the journals or the gentlemen themselves, or perhaps the Spanish-American War. However sad consequences this may have for the involving narration of the article as presented now, I believe it would have more encyclopedic sense.
Of course, it might be the case that established and reliable external sources do refer to the events described in the article as an identified phenomenon referred to as the "yellow press" (in a way similar to e.g. a much larger-scale pheomenon known as "industrial revolution"), then an article would make sense. That said, even if it is so, a big refurbishment would be necessary. PrinceGloria 14:31, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
