Talk:Yale student abortion art controversy

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[edit] DRV

This article underwent a DRV here --Enric Naval (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] renaming

To give less weight to the living person, I would consider renaming to something like "Yale Art Student abortion art controversy". Also, most of the sources on the article don't use the person name on the title of their articles, and refer instead to "Yale student" or similar. --Enric Naval (talk) 02:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

At least one editor at the Deletion review opposed the addition of any reference to the University. Skomorokh 03:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I can see Neil (the admin that deleted the article on the first place) agreeing with the title you proposed[1], and then I can see Fullstop asking what the press called the event, asking for a name similar to actual and then making an unclear comment about calling it "Aliza Shvarts art controversies" because "The latter would also give the older controversies room to development in"[2]. Well, the press does not call it " Aliza Shvarts' whatever", except Post Chronicle source and WarrenEllis.com, and I'm not sure if Fullstop actually gave a reason to use the person's name instead of the university name. --Enric Naval (talk) 04:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

(meh, maybe I should just bring this to WP:BLP, where they know more about this stuff) --Enric Naval (talk) 04:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a preference on the article title, other than it not being "Aliza Shvarts" (as the article is now - rightly - about the event (notable) rather than the person (not notable)). I would have gone with something snappier like "Yale abortion art controversy", but it's not a huge deal. Neıl ☎ 01:36, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

No preference from me either. My remark re; Yale in the title referred to the fact that the sandbox version was (IIRC) called "2008 Yale <something> controversy."

But I'll take Enric's bait for the fun of it...

• Is there any source that suggests that the university was the subject of a controversy? AFAIK, one student doth not a university make.
• Yale is not the subject (as in grammar) of a single source's title, and 12 of 13 sources are about Shvarts' project (the 13th is about honest reporting).
• It was Shvartz and not Yale that was denounced as "a 'serial killer' with 'major mental problems'." The "Yale College statement and rebuttal" section is about Yale's defence of Shvarts and not about the college's defense of itself. The "Context" section is about Shvarts' previous works and not about Yalie art; Yale is not even the subject of a single sentence in that section.
• And finally,... does one really need a reason to name a controversy after the person whose work was the subject of a controversy?

But then again, I'm sure there are some who think the supposed loss of "life" makes her act comparable to a Virginia Tech or Kent State massacre. Ewwwwwwww. -- Fullstop (talk) 04:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, man, Neil, please don't use just "Yale" on the title. Fullstop is right that it's a bad title and I agree with him. Please, this is not what meant, I was saying to use "Yale student" and not "Yale". Look at the sources:

• "Video & Photo: Aliza Shvarts Abortion 'Art' Hoax According To Yale Paper"
• "Yale Senior's 'Abortion Art' Whips Up Debate, Protests"
• "For senior, abortion a medium for art, political discourse"
• "Yale Art Student Claims She Used Blood Samples, Video of Self-Induced Abortions for Senior Project"
• "Yale Student Insists Abortion Art Project Is Real, Despite University's Claims of 'Creative Fiction"
• "Yale Student Art Piece May Be Banned"
• "The Aliza Shvarts Thing"

Specifically, FOX news and Washington post don't use the person's name on their titles. Would both of you, Neil and Fullstop, agree with "Yale_student_abortion_art_controversy"? --Enric Naval (talk) 05:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd be fine with that. As I said, I don't really mind so long as it makes it clear the article's about the event and not the person - I think the current title is a little unwieldy and the one you suggest is shorter, so that would be an improvement. Neıl ☎ 10:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I think 'Yale student' is fine. I'll defer to Skomorokh's judgement though. -- Fullstop (talk) 14:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I approve of Enric's latest proposal. Skomorokh 16:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, on this case... I'll just go ahead and move the page. I think that I didn't forget anything. --Enric Naval (talk) 16:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, next step would be looking at the "what links here" page on the old name and change some of the links that go directly to Aliza_Shvarts. I started by removing the "Aliza Shvarts" link at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Culture and fine arts/Visual arts --Enric Naval (talk) 16:50, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Damn, I looked at the list and I'm not actually sure of what to replace. I'll ask an admin. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I just noticed that the DRV says to create a redirect. No need to move the links then --Enric Naval (talk) 17:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)