Talk:Ya Muhammad

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First of all it is not Hindi term. It is pure Arabic. Hindi Terms category must be removed. In this way any word from any other language could be categorized as Hindi Term as long as it made its way to some unknown Indian song which is ridiculous.

And how is this Indian Musical stub when there is only a vague and rather superfluous reference to an unknown Bollywood song?

Szhaider 12:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Szhaider, the Hindi terms category has been removed. The Indian Musical stub tag has been removed as well. I am keeping the terms Indian subcontinent as the song is popular in Pakistan as many Bollywood songs are (i.e. muziqpakistan.com). I am also keeping the Indian songs category as an article is allowed to mention other refererences. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 01:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC).

Indian songs category is applicable only if the article is exclusively about an Indian song. This article is NOT exclusively about Indian song. It is about an Arabic religious phrase. Indian songs category is not only superfluous but also misleading and disinformation. Title of the song also doesn't match the title of the article. This category should be removed by all means.

Secondly, so-called popularity doesn't make the song a Pakistani song or the song of whole sub-continent. Michael Jackson's Thriller is popular all over the world. However, it IS American song. In the same way, Billie Jean is extremely popular in Pakistan but this popularity doesn't make it Pakistani song. Reference to an Indian song as a song of entire sub-continent is also disinformation and POV pushing. This reference should be corrected. Popularity of this song seems to be bound to online comunity only. As a bigger percentage of Pakistanis are still offline, therefore, popularity of the song in Pakistan is also disputed.

Szhaider 01:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

For the reasons you stated, you can go ahead and remove the category. However, it is well established that Bollywood movies and their songs are very popular in both Pakistan and India (i.e. BBC:Bollywood songs). I feel that the term South Asia or Indian subcontinent should stay. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 01:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I do agree that Indian songs are (unfortunately) quite popular in Pakistan, however, this particular song is not as popular as you calim it to be. Therefore, this song cannot be attributed to the entire sub-continent (which includes Pakistan), even if your claim about the song is right. Disinformation is often because of POV or propaganda reasons and I am feeling them both in this case. Szhaider 05:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Salaam Szhaider. I still stand by my position but if you feel the need to change South Asia to India, please feel free to do so. I'm sorry that you feel it is unfortunate that Indian songs are popular in Pakistan though. My Pakistani friends and I view it as something that ties both of us together, with one common culture. Muje maaf kije if I'm wrong but the way I interpreted your last statement was that I was trying to spread propoganda. I'm slightly hurt by your comment. I'm just trying to help Wikipedia with the skills I have. When I see a Pakistani and an Indian, I see them both as my brothers. I'm sorry if you took my efforts the wrong way. Take care. Khuda hafiz, Anupam^Talk 05:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

(and such are expressions used by Muslims, mainly by Shi'a and Sunnis (Sunnis mostly use Ya Muhammad))

Actually Sunni's do NOT use such expressions and not even ya muhammad. ALL Sunni's believe that the use of these phrases is shirk (idolatrous) and NO it is not only the salafis. Sunni's are one sect, there is no such thing as salafis and wahabis and 'normal' sunni's. The only difference between these people is how much they apply the rules of Islam, some are less strict than others and this is why people tend to call them salafis etc.

Im a Sunni Muslim, not a Salafi, but.. Why the hell do you have to use "YA" for a human.. Ok the prophet ok maybe.. But calling YA to a human is like calling him God. (Astakfirillah) --212.76.72.252 (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)