User talk:XPTO

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Contents 1 Cabrilho 2 Portuguese Ceylon 3 Spain/Iberia 4 Several things 5 Good catch

[edit] Cabrilho

PS: I reveresed your move of Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo to João Rodrígues Cabrilho. The latter name may have been the usbject's birth name, but he is best known to the English-speaking world under the former name. Per our naming guidelines (WP:NC) that is the name we should use. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 18:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portuguese Ceylon

Hello! There is a discussion going on at Talk:Portuguese Ceylon that may interest you. Thank you! The Ogre (talk) 17:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spain/Iberia

It is not necessary to change every pre-modern reference to "Spain"/"Spaniard"/"Spanish" to "Iberia"/"Iberian". The word "Spain" is the common designator for Christian Iberia (or all Iberia) before the advent of the united Kingdom of Spain under the Catholic Monarchs. Portugal was a part of Spain and it was Spanish until a country called "Spain" (which included Portugal 1580–1640) cropped up and stole the Latin-derived name of the entire peninsula for itself. Any given work of history will refer to "Spain" before 1516 and will refer to the entire (Christian) peninsula this way. Srnec (talk) 02:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Several things

Hello XPTO! I see you have made an edit to Military history of Portugal. I'm on my way to try and complete the expansion I began - not an easy task! If you have input I would welcome it.

Also, in a totally different subject, I believe we do have a problem with the fact that Srnec (Señor Nec?!?), a very good editor overall and very well sourced in things historical, insists that we can call Spain to the whole Iberian Peninsula because, that is what they generally and wrongly do in the English historiographical tradition, etc, etc. I have had discussions with him before - see for example Talk:Imperator totius Hispaniae. What can we do? See you! The Ogre (talk) 20:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I hate to enter into a discussion with one user on another's talkpage, but I was checking to see if XPTO responded to my statement above when I noticed this. I'll try to be brief. The English historiographical tradition is not wrong for three [that's an arbitrary number] reasons:

1. "Spain" is etymologically related to the original words (in more than one language, but including Latin Hispania) for the entire peninsula now known as Iberia (which can be ambiguous w/o the qualifier "peninsula", thus making it clunky).
2. Before the advent of the Kingdom of Spain, there was no political entity called "Spain" and the word was completely politically neutral. Also, in this era, before the standardisation of languages that took place much later, "Spanish" was not a associated only with Castilian-speaking areas and it need not be. "Christian Spain" is a common term for all the Christian kingdoms of Iberia in this period, including Castile-León, Navarre, Aragon-Valencia, and Portugal.
3. Correctness of usage is partially at least determined by consensus of usage. If the scholarly consensus says Iberia is "Spain" in the Middle Ages, we cannot say otherwise. My sources usually use "Spain" to refer to the entire peninsula, just like "Hispania", its etymological antecedent, did.

Srnec (talk) 01:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC) ("Srnec" is my surname. It is Croatian, but I am Canadian. I can speak Spanish at an intermediate level but don't know Portuguese, which I nevertheless recognise as one of the most mellifluous languages I've heard.)

[edit] Good catch

Congratulations on your quick fixing of Pedro I of Brazil. --Wloveral (talk) 19:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.

XPTO (talk) 12:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)