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Xeni's name history

A google search shows that Xeni went by the name "Xeni Jardin Hamm" when she worked for Latham & Watkins in 1999. Are there earlier references to other names she's used? I ask because a commenter on Metafilter said that her original name was Jennifer (Jenny?) Gardner. --Zippy 10:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

partly answering my own question, I found this link to her work with the Traveltrust travel agency, where she used the name Xeniflores Hamm. Here's an excerpt from the page:

Traveltrust

Address: 445 Marine View Ave Suite 200, Del Mar, CA 92014

Company Contact: Xeniflores Hamm

...

Website: http://www.traveltrust.com

Description: Travel discounts for cruise packages, lowest airfares and discounts for princess, holland america, crystal cruise lines royal caribbean, celebrity and more Leisure Business Travel. Traveltrust, Travel, San Diego, Corporate Travel, Leisure Travel, Low

An archived page for Traveltrust contains the text Site design graphics, Navigator logo, feature articles ©1995-1997 by Xeniflóres Hamm. On this page, the name Xeniflores Hamm a hyperlink mailto for travel@traveltrust.com.

"Jardin doesn't reveal [her given name], she says, because she wants to avoid dangerous people from her past." (From LA Times article) What do you think, Zippy? --Christopherlin 21:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

It's a good question. In the same article, she gives the full names of her father, mother, and brother, along with photos of herself. These, plus the fact that she works hard to be in the public eye, make we wonder whether she is really concerned about being recognized. --Zippy 19:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I am a journalist and a blogger. While it's accurate to say that this sort of role involves working hard to distribute information publicly, and being publicly visible in relation to that work, there's a big difference between that and "works hard to be in the public eye," which implies other motivations that don't fit here. Regarding the rest of this statement, please be aware that I did not write the LA Times profile, nor did I "give" the LA Times the photo that ran with it. --Xenijardin 19:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused. In one of your recent comments you claim it is untrue that you've tried to obfuscate your past, yet when we're discussing something very easy for you to simply tell us (namely given name and birth year), you continue to be vague. One of the main criticisms on the xenisucks.com site is the focus you have on yourself and your friends, which is certainly not typical of most journalism standards. And it's also certainly not difficult to find photographs of you, on your own website taken by your mentor and your friends. 208.20.220.72 20:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

And every single article, comment, news story, radio show, radio story, magazine article, seminar (ad nausea) that Xeni has ever given has been solely about her friends? Wow I would like to be one of her friends then! The jealousy and scrutiny over this woman's career is amazing to me. I would like to have half of her exposure! Look at this page! I must find a way to make maladjusted men not like me so that way I can get lots of publicity too. Maybe I will move home and live in my mom's basement. Matt N 20:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Xeni, I wasn't trying to imply a motivation, and I apologize that it came across that way. Regarding the photo, I didn't mean you handed them the photo, I meant that you apparently gave them permission to photograph you for the article, and this, along with naming your family members, birthplace, etc, seemed at odds with Christopherlin's quote that "[you] want to avoid dangerous people from your past." No motivation implied, just puzzlement on my part. --Zippy 06:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I think her full / original / legal / birth name should be listed on the main page, assuming it can be confirmed. --PaulSchreiber

Hey, everyone: Xeni Jardin is my real, legal name. My (deceased) biological dad's last name was Hamm. Xeni is short for "Xeniflores," which is cumbersome for people to pronounce and write -- so the name was shortened to "Xeni" over time, and that's now my legal name. Period. My father gave my name to me. I didn't make it up, and it's not an alias for some other name. I use one name. Mine. There's no conspiracy here. My name is not now (nor has it ever been) Jenny Jardin, Genie Garden, Jenny Murden, Jennifer or Jenny Gardner, John Jordan, nor am I related in any way to Fox Mulder, although I do believe he has an excellent hairdo and an enviable collection of personal firearms. Hope that clears the matter up. --Xenijardin

Darn it, I was just working the Fox Mulder angle! Thanks for the clarification, Xeni. --Zippy 03:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Xeni - would you like to clarify this particular piece of text from your L.A. Times profile? I don't think there's any doubt that Xeni Jardin is currently your legal name, but from the particular piece of text below (which you do have archived on your own website, without any disclaimer or statement that it is incorrect) seems to indicate that "Xeniflores"/"Xeni" and "Jardin" are nicknames that you aquired as an adult, and that your "given name" different and for some reason concealed.

Xeni Jardin, pronounced SHEH-nee zhar-DAN, isn't her given name. Jardin doesn't reveal that, she says, because she wants to avoid dangerous people from her past. "Xeni" comes from "Xeniflores," a word with origins in Guatemala's native culture. Jardin means "garden" in Spanish and French.

It was a nickname that stuck during her travels through Mexico and Guatemala with her mentor, Dr. Munir Xochipillicueponi Quetzalkanbalam, a writer, performer, director, composer, entrepreneur and Mayan expert whom Jardin considers her adoptive father.

If you would address the specifics of that statement and how it does or doesn't conflict with your statement above, it would be much appreciated. Glowimperial 05:41, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Glowimperial. No, my name is not a "nickname acquired as an adult." I've already responded to the questions relevant to maintaining a factually accurate Wiki entry, and I'll take leave of this discussion now. --Xenijardin

I take it to mean that it would then be 'factually accurate' to state that Xeni Jardin or Xeniflores Jardin is not her given name, as the LA Times article states. Presumably, she previously went by Xeniflores Hamm since there are plenty of google searches returning this name, including this article stating that a Ms. Hamm was due a refund from the IRS, but they couldn't find her (because of a name change perhaps?) http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/10/29/business/news/11_39_1310_28_05.txt 208.20.220.69 20:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

And we have a 'Xeni Jardin Hamm' (http://www.chinwag.com/uk-netmarketing/archive/archive-jul-1999/msg00143.shtml) --Gerardm

I am just about ot edit the page to include a reference to what would appear to be Xeni Jardin's birth name, Xeniflores Hamm. Feel free to correct this if the name is incorrect but I would ask you do not delete it. This place is about facts; if Xeniflores Hamm is Xeni's birth name and it deserves to be included.

This whole episode is somewhat silly but goes to, in my mind, prove a point. You can't pick and choose what facts appear in an encyclopaedia. --Gerardm

The LA Times article states "Over the years, Jardin says, Quetzalkanbalam taught her "how to craft stories, how to deliver on-camera and on-radio; he taught me voice, acting." She traveled with him, acquiring her new name, ...". Xeniflores Guatemalan source seems like the sort of thing to come from Quetzalkanbalam, the Mayan expert and Jardin's "surrogate father" 208.20.220.69 22:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm still not satisfied that Xeniflores Hamm is Xeni's birth name (as in the name she was given by her birth parents in 1973). To add that information as her birth name would be speculative at this point. We've been fortunate to have the subject of the article weigh in on the matter, but I feel that her involvement has not cleared the water on this issue in a satisfactory manner. I'd rather have the article not have a birth name than have us put up incorrect information at this time. Are we in a hurry here? Glowimperial 12:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Personally I am quite satisfied that Xeniflores Hamm is Xeni's birth name. First off it appears quite logical and second, I'm sure if it wasn't then Xeni will be in touch. We aren't in a hurry but until proved otherwise the evidence suggests Xeniflores Hamm is her birth name.--Gerardm 16:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you really want to know her birth name you need a birth certificate. Only her family can get one though. The second option is to get yearbooks/class photos from her elementary/middle schools.--69.236.102.234 15:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)