Talk:Vocational education
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[edit] Career and Technology Education
What are thoughts of moving this to career and technology education? The Carl Perkins legislation which funds a large part of CTE has been revised to the new terminiolgy. ALso, the professional assocaitions have changed to encompass the broader spectrum.
Thoughts: -Jzwei
[edit] Changes to vocational education
I have experience in the vocational education and training sector and although my entry is brief, I felt impelled to update the text. I changed the previous entry as it reflected outdated views and presented inaccurate information of little utility. *Sorry*
- Thanks - RamonJD
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- No problem. Be Be bold in updating pages. --Jiang
[edit] Manual training
This webpage says "The Manual Training movement was the precursor to the vocational training programs in our schools today." While it would constitute a copyright violation to copy that webpage into Wikipedia, I wish that someone with some insight (I have none) into the history of U.S. education could document this. Published in 1914, The New Student's Reference Work is an out-of-copyright encyclopedia for the youth, with an article on Manual Training in Public Schools. That article can be used for facts, but Wikipedia needs to describe the history after 1914 as well. --LA2 04:46, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Profession and vocational education
The article Profession defines that a profession requires study and mastery of specialized knowledge. Traditionally, this has meant study in tertiary education. On the other hand, this article defines vocational education (which is by nature secondary) as leading to trades and professions. This seems a contradiction. I suggest removing the mentioning of professions from the article. --MPorciusCato 01:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. "Vocation" and "career" are used interchangibly.whicky1978 talk 06:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
- Careful.. Some vocational education leads to professions. I'm referring to such vocational education programs offered for clergy (like the United Methodist Church's Course of Study), vocational training for some types of nurses, or training programs for real estate agents here in the US. There is a continuing development of graduate level continuing education programs which offer vocational edcuation for a professional career. [[User talk:sideseat|talk] 19:42, 5, Oct 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV & Stub
This is a much broader topic than this article makes the subject out to be. It needs to include all career education. It also uses jargon that seems regionally oriented. I'm not familiar with acroymns like VET. I can peer review the articlewhicky1978 talk 06:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Comments
It is also my general view that the article will benefit from growing in several aspects. However, isn't that the basic idea of the Wikipedia, to enable the able ones by providing artefacts enabling knowledge to grow in a democratic global society trough paricipation and collaboriation?
... jargon that seems [regionally oriented]. The UNesco is wide enough for me to be able to live with this regionally oriented jargon.
... acroymns like VET. Google and Wikipedia are powerful tools if you are critically looking for facts.
This is as far as I'm concerned an important topic which deserves the space and lattitude neccessary for it to grow. It has a global educational significance which calls for support more than sensorship.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trondsm (talk • contribs) 11:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
I too am not familiar with VET acronym and also believe its regionally oriented. Should not be in the first line of the article or even first paragraph if its gonna have a worldwide view. kawaputratok2me 19:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vocational Training
That is correct, many parts of the world use various terms to describe vocational education. Vocational education is simply learning about a particular trade or job which involves hands on experience and technical training. Sometimes this involves apprenticeship.
In some English speaking countries, they use Polytechnic to describe the technical education received by students doing vocational courses. But in the UK, Polytechnnic can refer to higher education institutions providing certificate and diploma level courses.
In Australia, it uses TAFE (Technical and Further Education). In the United States, the term Community College applies to post secondary education providers that provide apprenticeships and vocation education but it can vary between states.
Visik 13:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
community colleges in general are not meant for vocational training but are more oriented towards either remedial coursework or underclassman studies for transfering to a 4 year university....there is vocational training there but i think someplace like ITT technical institute or one of the automotive colleges is a more appropriate example -ME 03:34 june 25th 2007
Not all apprenticeships are with community colleges. Some are private schools that specialize in one particular career or caree clusster such as ITT Technical Institute which does computer technology. Often, vocational training is done in high school. The terms and rules vary from state to state in the US.
This vocational education is a topic that could reach FA status.whicky1978 talk 04:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Conversely, apprenticeships and vocational education are not the only things offered by community colleges; most are two-year junior colleges as well. --JaceCady 19:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
