Talk:Virtual Air Traffic Simulation Network
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[edit] Edit of May 14
The change in staff policies was not caused by the IVAO management change, it was already introduced in May 2005, i.e. long before the management change at IVAO.
Other remark: Why are things like "IVAO consists of about [61,000 members] (as of May 2006)." and "(includes information about recent ownership dispute)" that are purely related to IVAO, and not related to VATSIM whatshowerer, mentioned on this page?
I thought it would relevant to give an idea of the size of Vatsim in respect to its largest competitors. The other stuff is perhaps superflous somewhat.
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[edit] Pilot Usage Overview
I think that the Pilot Usage Overview section should be removed. These instructions are available on a variety of VATSIM-related websites (we can provide a link) and are more of a how-to as opposed to encyclopedic content. I don't see them adding any value to the article. Canwolf 21:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Since there were no objections for over a week, I have removed the section - Canwolf 08:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am going to add this section back. The reason is anyone researching this topic for a paper or article would be able to understand how Vatsim works, and what is expected of those connecting. Bschott 13:21, 12 July 2006 (CST)
[edit] Division links
I'm removing links to individual divisions, per Wikipedia:External links (Links that should be avoided - 1. In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose.). All individual division/region sites can be accessed from the main VATSIM page, and regional sites don't provide any useful reference information relating to the topic. - Canwolf 17:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Deletion
You gotta be kidding me. This network has over 120,000 members and averages upwards of 800 people connected at a time. It is the largest multiplayer organization for simulated flight in the world. I'm not sure why you've decided to take offense at the notion of virtual aviation, but this is the wrong article to be calling "Nonsense gamer spam".
Specifically, to address the notability requirements - VATSIM is international. VATSIM has been written about in the Wall Street Journal, in a Sydney newspaper, in the AOPA newsletter (link not available), in Wired, in Computer World, and is mentioned regularly in smaller publications such as Computer Pilot and so on.
This article is absolutely appropriate for Wikipedia. Tim 20:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merging in VATUSA
The main VATSIM article barely has enough content to be usable, so there's no point in having a two sentence paragraph for VATUSA. --Phoenix (talk) 02:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merging
VATUSA, VATCAN ETC are all sub-divisions of VATSIM -- may be usefull to merge them -Enti342 02:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks much, I wasn't even aware there was a VATCAN article, then realized you created one. Both VATCAN and VATUSA redirect here now because there simply isn't enough information for separate articles. --Phoenix (talk) 03:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WP:NPOV
I just removed a lot of information that is useless to any reader who is not a VATSIM member, and redundant information. Example: "the network does not do this-and-that" - the network also does not provide a solution for global warming, but there is no use pointing that out. Authors should try to stick to basic facts, and should try to read their article through the eyes of a complete stranger who has no idea about aviation. Write all you want on your website, don't turn wikipedia into an advertising brochure. --airborne 01:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External Links
I have edited the external links so that it is in line with WP:External_links. Please read through the WP:External_links policy document prior to adding any links to this section. Thank you. Icemotoboy (talk) 04:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've readded the link to vataware.com; WP:External_links states under 'What should be linked':
vataware is the equivalent of and analogous to 'professional athlete statistics' in that it provides accurate statistics for VATSIM traffic and therefore I believe it is worthy of linking from the VATSIM article. Tim (talk) 19:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons.
- Unless someone else has an objection, I'm fine with that rational. The list as it was previously was becoming difficult to manage, so I thought it was easier to delete everything and start again. I am actually looking for references so I can add a section to the article on statistics packages etc... for VATSIM as its an intriguing element of VATSIM and one that has garnered some research. I'll be putting up your MITRE link today, thanks heaps for your help. Icemotoboy (talk) 22:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] New sources
There are a few links to some scholarly/notable discussion of VATSIM on the AfD page. Some (the books) are already cited. Some (the blogs), can only be used to buttress statements, not provide verification, although I would argue that Terranova has an active editorial policy for the main articles. But there is NO shortage of journal articles about VATSIM. I may dig through it if I have the time, but it would probably be faster if someone familiar w/ VATSIM and/or the literature did it. Protonk (talk) 00:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks mate, I'm going through as many as I can. I didn't realise there was so much material. A number of the articles discuss both IVAO and VATSIM, so I'm adding them to both articles where appropriate. Icemotoboy (talk) 11:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Unreferenced Statements
Some reference tags were added to a bunch of material, I've gone through and added as many tags as I could and moved the remaining unreferenced challenged statements to this page below. If anyone can recommend any sources, please let me know and I'll be happy to do the ground work.Icemotoboy (talk) 11:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
During peak periods, more than 1,500 controllers and pilots may be connected to the network.[citation needed] More than a third of members have real-world flying experience: of these, most are private pilots, and about one third are commercial pilots.[citation needed] Five percent of members overall are real-world air traffic controllers.[citation needed] About half the membership is between 26 and 36 years old, and just over ten percent is under 18.[citation needed] In contrast to the real world, VATSIM membership is almost exclusively male (over 99%).[citation needed] New members can connect as pilots immediately after joining, but should understand the basics of aviation and be able to control their aircraft in the virtual flight space before flying online, with a level of skill and knowledge comparable to that of a student pilot in the real world. A training program for pilots is recommended, but not mandatory.[citation needed] Training is mandatory for all ATC, users can only assume positions if they have the required controller rating. Connecting as an ATC observer requires no training, but does not allow a member to provide ATC services.[citation needed] After passing a basic theory test, the Observer rated member advances to S1.[citation needed] At this rating, the student can control airfield tower positions subject to local restrictions.[citation needed] A practical exam must be passed on the tower of their choice in order to advance to S3. An S3 is able to control an approach position subject to local restrictions. After another practical exam, the S3 advances to C1 etc. The C1 is able to control TMA positions in the local FIR.[citation needed]
[edit] Deletion of "Major Power Outage" section
Who did this? I WROTE THAT! If you would like to know, I actually recieved that NOTAM <:{ ZoomDude (talk) 05:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- It's in the edit history. Traffic from VATSIM itself isn't really notable. when the outage is covered in third party publications we can put it here.
- Protonk (talk) 06:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- I did. Of course you received the NOTAM, so did every member of VATSIM. I already put this all on your talk page, but I'll repost it again here, I suppose.
- Only two VATSIM servers were affected and they're now back up. They weren't even damaged, they just lost power for about 24 hours. It's really not a big deal. I think you might've misunderstood the NOTAM, since your edits to the article said that "VATSIM Headquarters" was hit by an electrical fire/explosion. There is no such thing as "VATSIM Headquarters". The explosion was at a datacenter (of which VATSIM is a relatively small customer) that hosts thousands of servers for a wide variety of customers. VATSIM had two servers that were affected (the web server and the forums/sweatbox server). The network itself wasn't even affected during the outage (naturally, since there are 7 FSD servers spread around the globe for just this reason).
- The explosion is already covered in the article for the host, The Planet Internet Services, which is the only place it really would have any relevance in my opinion. Tim (talk) 16:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
