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It is worth noting that students in the ninth and tenth years (in the Victorian/NSW sense, with a "Prep" grade before 1, so the 10th and 11th years) can study a single VCE unit per semester to increase their score.
- Feel free to add this information yourself. TPK 07:04, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that they actually count towards your score do they, because I did a VCE subject in year 10 and on my statement of results last year for my yr12 subjects it made no mention of it --60.224.14.194 03:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC) --- I feel that some aspects of this page contain errors or perhaps misplaced opinions. There also possible relevant additions and expansions that the article might require but I haven't examined them here. The revisions are these listed in the sections in which they occur in the article:
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[edit] Introduction
- Students do not neccessarily have to complete Year 11, eg. international students can study for and gain their VCE just by completing 5 or 6 3/4 subjects in year 12.
- There seems to be no authority for the statement that the VCE is "one of the more rigorous education programs in the world". If there is authority perhaps it should be added, if not perhaps this statement should be removed as it constitutes a POV.
[edit] The VCE Structure
- I feel this section could do with some structural revision, as this section contains most of the factual content of the article. Perhaps a subdivision like Subjects/Assessment/Moderation would be appropriate.
- I believe the discussion of the statistical moderation of SACs is incorrect. Instead I think they make the mean and quartiles of the SAC marks equal to the mean and quartiles of the exam marks and in so doing fit students in according to their relative positions on the original SAC assessment. This means that outliers do not effect the outcome so much. Information to this effect can be found on the VCAA website.
- The VCE is not accepted for admission into universities worldwide. It is at best only considered year 11 (AS Level) education in the UK under a certain ENTER score.
[edit] Criticisms
- Given the revision of how internal assessment is moderated I think the first part of this section is perhaps less valid. In any case, further adjustment of the moderation process might render the SAC marks meaningless (the article does seem to support the view that SAC marks should just be moderated to match student's exam performance which would essentially render SAC marks inconsequential).
- The comment that the VCE is advantageous to girls on the basis of their superior ability in English seems to me to be a prejudiced statement. Although there is statistical evidence to suggest that girls do better in the VCE (I'm not sure where the statistics are from); I know of no evidence which suggests they do much better at english than they do in other subjects and I doubt it exists. Also, the maths and science subjects in the VCE are marked up far more than the humanities subjects which would presumably in the opinion of the article as it is currently written aid boys in the VCE
Orizon 7 July 2005 06:15 (UTC)
- I agree. This article may need a tag for cleanup ;o --coblin 10:00, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
- ...three months later. Yes, there's quite a bit to do. I'm not desperate to do it. But maybe in a month or so. After exams and what not. -orizon 11:37, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
- http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/subjectstats.html shows that girls do substantially better at english then boys. This, together with much other evidence from other sources suggesting that girls do better at English than boys in general, can be a large criticism of the VCE. English, being the only compulsory subject and which MUST be counted when calculating an ENTER score, could be seen as very disadvantagous to boys studying the VCE. One possible suggestion would be to remove the compulsory status of English, thereby making it fair and completely elective.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.255.66 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 31 October 2006
- ...three months later. Yes, there's quite a bit to do. I'm not desperate to do it. But maybe in a month or so. After exams and what not. -orizon 11:37, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Leon... 10:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- The section explaining moderation needs to describe the moderation process better, as scaling of different subjects (also possibly able to come under the heading "statistical moderation") has come under attack as well as the process which comes up with absolute SAC marks
[edit] Criticisms revamped (still needs cleanup - wikify)
Criticisms was cleared of what I believe was a POV. (The first line in the original implied that the VCE is near-perfect)
It still needs to be cleaned up. I do think of the girls/boys argument as a very very very unsupported fact, and there is hardly any evidence to show that is true. I think it should be removed. --coblin 09:59, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
- http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/subjectstats.html shows that girls do substantially better at english then boys. This, together with much other evidence from other sources suggesting that girls do better at English than boys in general, can be a large criticism of the VCE. English, being the only compulsory subject and which MUST be counted when calculating an ENTER score, could be seen as very disadvantagous to boys studying the VCE. One possible suggestion would be to remove the compulsory status of English, thereby making it fair and completely elective.
[edit] VCE wiki-linked
Why is almost every occurance of "VCE" wiki-linked in this article? The article is about VCE! —Daniel15 (Talk/Contribs) 04:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
- Looks like this has been fixed :) --Daniel15 (Talk/Contribs) 06:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot 04:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] HSC deserves mention in article
I would have liked to see a bit more of the history of the VCE in this article. For example, the year it replaced the HSC (1990 I believe?), the reasons for the change, and so forth. This belongs in the first or second paragraph. A few sentences even would suffice. Can someone do this? Davez621 (talk) 15:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
