Talk:Vice
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What does the Golden Mean have to do with vice? --Berdidaine 04:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Furthermore, what does Miami Vice have to do with vice, apart from the obvious similarities in the names? I removed [[1]] this link, as it did not seem overly relevant to the topic. If anyone has a reason to keep it in, feel free to revert my edit. --222.153.63.59 06:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Sources?
The Christian vices seems unfounded and unreasonable. Where are the sources for this? --Alexander 08:56, 26 May 2006 (GMT+2)
[edit] Homosexuality
I feel that the inclusion of "homosexuality" with the terms drugs, gambling, recklessness, cheating, lying, selfishness and sexual promiscuity is extremely offensive, misplaced and stereotypical. It should be removed, unless certain sexual behaviours in the "heterosexual" community are also listed (some of which are too shocking to list). -- Paul 10:35, 14 November 2006 (GMT)
- This article is a study of views on vices. In reference to homosexuality, whether or not one considers it offensive is irrelevant to whether it should be included since as part of a complete study of what people perceive as vice, it has been and is still considered a vice by existing populations. I would advise that rather than taking offense, someone edit the article to note specifically which groups or demographics today consider rejection of homosexuality a vice. --kjr99044 Sun Dec 17 2006
If you look at it that way then being part of a religion could be a vice! You practice a religion and so that could make it a vice. So why not put up every single religion? Why single out homosexuals?
Anything can be a vice, yes. Its what society deems immoral in that particular area, or particular time. Religion isn't listed because Western culture does not see religion as vice as a whole, or in any significant minority at this time.
Taking offense to it being included in the list is, honestly, just stupid, since it does not claim, or even imply, that any of the things listed truly are immoral, just that they are viewed by a significant portion of Western society as such, which isn't inaccurate.
Saying you take offense to it being in the list is like a black person taking offense to someone acknowledging the existance of racism. - --99.147.227.251 (talk) 16:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Vice" as in Vice-President?
I was originally looking up the word 'vice' with reference to titles like 'vice - president'. Does anyone know why such an unlikely word preceeds such titles? GN 15:10 07Dec2006
- "Vice" also means "instead of" or "in succession to", according to the OED. The etymologies of the different meanings are entirely different. unless 03:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Guilt is bad?
I have never heard of "guilt" being considered a vice--perhaps the self-recognition of committing a vice, but I really don't think guilt itself is condemmed as one. I may be wrong, and if I am I'm very interested in hearing the explanation of how it is a vice, but until then I'm cutting it from the list. Irish♣Pearl 21:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] definition and distinctions
The definition used in this article needs to show the full scope of vice as shown in NPOV dictionaries[2]. This article seems to be missing many things about vice in the real world. I am going to include a broader study of vice so that this article is more complete. Please offer suggestions.
Also we need to make distinctions between what religious people call vices and what the secular societies see as vices. This article as written seemed be packed with religious points of view about vice. We need to separate religious points of view as religious in nature, show the secular definitions and make clear distinctions between them so that this article remains NPOV...otherwise it will resemble a religious rant. 128.111.95.36 04:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Opposites
I am confused with the associations between certains vices and the corresponding virtues. I already made a change regarding "blasphemy" and "apostasy". I am also confused how the opposite of "temperance" is "lust". Also, I am simply not familiar with "venality". It is very probable that these are all correct, but they are not intuitive, and so they require some kind of justification (read sourcing).—Red Baron 15:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bad Eyesight
I didn't do a throught examination of the list, but bad eyesight AKA "shortsightedness" is on the list as a vice. The list needs a review and then a lockdown of some kind.--Mark v1.0 15:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with eye sight in this context, but not looking to the future, and just thinking about the immediate result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.147.227.251 (talk) 16:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Stupidity
Is stupidity a vice? I think it is - trust me 24.129.239.143 07:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC) (foar tilde pawaa)
[edit] Apathy
Why is apathy considered a vice? I don't see it as a bad thing, and am apathetic often towards stuff. (Hence the fact I don't care if I use "stuff") 24.129.239.143 07:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC) (foar tilde pawaa)
[edit] List
I think the listing of possible vices is out of touch with Wikipedia as a project - stylistically, it's rather lack-luster. Wouldn't we be better served to make a category for traditional vices? There are still those qualities - for example, alcoholism and homosexuality - which are under debate by a sizable number of people as to their viciousness, though these could be included in a subcategory if need be. Iro (talk) 19:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
