Talk:Vellalar (Sri Lankan Tamil)

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This page is for discussion on the - origin of Vellalars of Jaffna (we can discuss in detail various family history). - Special Features (religion, practices, family etc,) - We will have to study that on the basis of written history of Jaffna and not on the basis of intepretation. - We can also discuss the migration of other families into Jaffna later (Saiva Vellalas and Chetties). - It is know that Jaffna Tamils had close links to Chidambaram and SaivA Adheenams in Tamil Nadu until recently.

Well we need to create and edit on the basis of five pillars of wikipedia, including using WP:RS sources. I have updated this article from an OR status to an article based on RS souces written in a neutral tone22:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.134.115.100 (talk)

The fact is Vellalars are the Chiefs since inception of Jaffna Kingdom. No doubts on that. Portugese/Dutch are not responsible for the rise of the Vellalars.. Almost all the Families with links to the Arya Chakravarthis have Vellala Links. Check out the Family Trees of the Vellalar Chiefs.

Your version is ridiculous. Tobacco or Portugese Laws did not give rise to wealth for Vellalars. Kailaya Malai explains their wealth and power before migrating. Besides there is no need to delete the names of the Vellala Chiefs in here. Real Vellalar families have links to their founding lineages.

You seem to have a agenda here. I wont disturb you but read Prof. S. Pathamanathan's work on History of Jaffna or similar works. What I have written needed a clear-up but wasnt OR .. IT was based on works by recognised scholars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weldingveerasamy (talk • contribs) 14:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Well besides the personal attacks against WP:NPA you seem not to know the policies of wikipedia. The most important policy is WP:OR, no original research. If you have any WP:RS books that agree with your point of view, please add it to the article not your words. There is one para in post 1983 society that is not fully supported by sources. I will leave it there for 2 weeks. Please find sources to back up those claims.. Also there is no agreement Arya Chakaravarthi dynasty is Vellalar in origin. What little agreement we have is that they are Tamil Brahmins from Madurai. There are even evidence in Tamil Nadu about this family. Also watch your language and refrain from using words such as ridiculous. Thanks Taprobanus 13:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added the most important parts and removed the irrelevant parts .. Origin of the Vellala Chiefs .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weldingveerasamy (talk • contribs) 13:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

What you have added is Primary source, it has to be attributed not directly quoted. Can we rely on Mahavamsa to write in the Sinhala people page that they are actually half lion-half human race ? No we cant. That is the problem with Primary Resources. That is why in Wikipedia WP:RS we avoid Primary resources or we attribute it to it when doing so. Nothing Yalpana Vaipava Malai says about so called Vellalar origin of Kings and elites can be taken for face value without correponsing secondary sources that agree with it or disagree with it. You really have to find those sources. Also I dont agree with your deletion of properly cited material (2 cites) about Vellalar rise during the Dutch period. Please add it back. Thanks Taprobanus 22:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Let at least the names of all chiefs, their background and place of settlement be there. I will edit that portion in due course with due citation. Without the names, background and place of settlement this page is not about Vellalars. The Base of Vellalar history in Jaffna is about the Chiefs and their settlements, we cannot ignore that. The rest of the stuff is about people who "became vellalars".

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Weldingveerasamy (talk • contribs) 06:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)