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Contents 1 Move history 2 Tushpa 3 Monster of Lake Van 4 Tatvan, Mersovan, and Erivan 5 loaed weasel words, pov, missing syntax, unveriable information 6 Van and WWI

[edit] Move history

Move: Van (turkey) → Van, Turkey

common use for cities

• Support Tobias Conradi 23:08, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Support Warofdreams 16:16, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. This was an old (2002) copy/paste move so the histories have been merged. violet/riga (t) 17:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tushpa

It says that Tushpa is its Kurdish name. Is is Zazaci or what?? Bertilvidet 21:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Monster of Lake Van

I just googled this silliness -- and was amazed to find it (not that I believe). --Moby 11:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The whole "Van, Turkey" entry is so full of silliness that I am surprised that you were surprised. Meowy 18:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW - the statue may be as real as the actual monster. I've been to Van on many occasions and have never seen such a statue! There is a statue of the monster in Gevas though. Meowy 01:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I've removed that photograph from the entry. As I said, I've been to Van on dozens of occasions and have never seen such a statue there. The photo remains on the entry about the monster. Meowy 21:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tatvan, Mersovan, and Erivan

Awhile back a user added this to the Van (disambiguation) page, and I couldn't help but wonder, do all these cities (Van, Mersovan, and Yerevan—come from the same word? None of these articles except Merzifon discuss the etymology of the word at all, and it would be interesting to know if the words are related. —Khoikhoi 05:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] loaed weasel words, pov, missing syntax, unveriable information

The city's Armenian population was devastated (what is devastated, killed?) during World War I by Ottoman troops as a part of the Armenian Genocide <--- there are sources that says Van rebelled, and I provided them, and it was deleted, it even syas below Van reblled and the rmenians were taking sides with Russians). According to Turkish accounts (according to Turkish but not according to Armenian accounts?), with Russian forces (and Armenian volunteer untis, you forgot that) approaching Lake Van, the regional administrator ordered the execution of five Armenian leaders (of whom were rebel leaders, right?) and a revolt resulted in Van on April 20, 1915 against the Turks (and the Turks were killed were thjey not?) and in favor of the Russians (this sentence negates the above claim that says this was all becuase of AG and not any other reason). However, most historians agree (which historians, where, how many, what country) that the Armenians, hoping to avoid slaughter, fled to the mountains of Van to defend themselves against the Turks (if they fled then they obviously weren't killed, so how can they be devasted?)^[1]. The anti-Turkish and pro-Russian sentiments were in the hopes of being rescued from Turkish massacres (why were they so sure they were going to be massacred, becasue they rebelled?). The Russians finally captured Van in late May of 1915 (anfd killed al the Turks, right?)

So this whole thing is gone. See my version which is sourced and unbiased. --Oguz1 16:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The Armenian name and sourced info on Kurdish majority were deleted by an anon. I readded. Andranikpasha 16:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Van and WWI

This part (like many other parts) needs to be cleaned up of heavy and one sided propaganda. The actual events of WWI in and around Van was obfuscated by ethnic propaganda imbedded. I tried but it is not complete. Porbably needs to be organized better and re-written, since it is an important and significant part of Van history. Added some fresh references also.--Murat (talk) 16:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)